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What we know so far about the Nintendo NX with sources
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blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Actually peer-to-peer gives best latency. I ran my experiment on a dedicated GbE link between the nodes - i.e. the two nodes were talking to each other over a pair of NICs, while all communication with the rest of the world was going over other NICs.
Trevelyan9999
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So Rosti may be able to get some NX info sometime today or tomorrow? Any clue on what info it would be on that he asked for? Dev kit power or something?
Nothing specified, but it won't be this.
He's explicitly said "don't get too excited", so it's unlikely to be something that major.
Pokemaniac
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All he said regarding what it would be was just saying not to get excited.
He asked people to not get too excited.
Probably just a small detail interesting enough worth to mention.
Graphics Horse
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My expectations are something patent based, or would that be too obvious?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Well, they did it once - the wiiU-to-gamepad link is a dedicated data-link-level (in OSI terms) channel.
Unlikely. He wouldn't need anybody's input for those ; )
It's the most interesting rumour for sure. It can also be consumer friendly in price since if you want the whole NX experience at full power with a console you don't have to buy the SCD at $300 price tag. The handheld could be $199 with the bulk of the power and the SCD (the local one) and borrowing power from NX SCD's over the world with a smaller price tag of let's say $100, gives you the option to play the NX game at higher fidelity and framerates.
The handheld NX will likely be the flagship and the SCD will be marketed as sort of a sling box or Apple box to enhance the experience.
Yes, it'll be that some of the patents are red herrings to mislead us and the competition.
Trevelyan9999
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OK, well something is better than nothing.
Exterminieren
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I think people are giving too much credence to all the patents, personally.
Companies prototype ideas that they've got in development. They also prototype stuff that they haven't got in development but want to lay claim to, or pie-in-the-sky concepts that they see potential in, or even just stuff they've doodled on the back of a cigarette packet and think is cool.
It's not necessarily unlikely that some of this tech might make its way into the NX, but I'm not exactly holding my breath for it to utilise scroll-wheel triggers or SCDs, or anything else found in the patents.
Companies prototype ideas that they've got in development. They also prototype stuff that they haven't got in development but want to lay claim to, or pie-in-the-sky concepts that they see potential in, or even just stuff they've doodled on the back of a cigarette packet and think is cool.
It's not necessarily unlikely that some of this tech might make its way into the NX, but I'm not exactly holding my breath for it to utilise scroll-wheel triggers or SCDs, or anything else found in the patents.
Graphics Horse
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blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
NX@gaf: the lengths..
TheMoon
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/nintendo-patents-inflatable-cushion-you-know-for-horseback-r/
perfect opportunity to repost this.
general reminder about what patents mean...
Graphics Horse
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To be fair, they haven't unveiled Diddy Kong Racing yet.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Well, the wiiU + gamepad is an (extreme) example of the idea from the patent. It's just that the main unit is a very, very computationally-modest device, and all it can produce is basic commands and controls stream, so the supplement has to produce complete frames and send those back to main unit.
But if you think about it - all the conditions we mentioned are present: a very asymmetrical protocol between the nodes (control inputs from one end, full frames from the other) over a dedicated link (wifi from the supplement, BT from the main unit), and a very well-tuned workload distribution : )
TheMoon
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Infact my theory for NX is that the portable will be a standalone (also) modified and portable Gamepad
Portable to be sold in 2016
Home in 2017 both with and without the Gamepad (for those who already bought the portable system)
Off tv, remote play, hd uprez crossbuy/game/save among the two (integrated) systems
Fourth Storm
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Yeah, the only reason that I wonder about lpDDR4 is that I have yet to find any mass production 3200 Mbps parts from the major manufacturers (Samsung, Micron). I'm sure it is more expensive, but Samsung offer lpDDR4 (and 3) in multi-die packages that may make for a cleaner PCB as well. I'm assuming a 128-bit bus tops and if they go with a decent HBM pool, possibly even another 64-bitter. I'm not taking for granted that Nintendo even opt for 8 GB parity, but your thoughts are always welcome.
Yeah, doesn't Wide I/O 2 necessitate TSVs w/ the SoC? That sounds a bit pricey to me.
I'm thinking for something which has 2/3 the die area of Xbox One, they will get something close to 2/3 the power draw if they are using a similar GPU and RAM setup. Of course, ARM will save them on some of that, but how much vs the already small Jaguar cores? I've read that A57 is kinda power hungry at 28nm. My thinking is that Nintendo want to drastically differentiate themselves like they did with Wii. With Wii U, they drifted more towards a middle grounds and it didn't pay off. An ultrathin console that can actually get some current gen ports might be able to turn some heads.
Maybe something like Bonaire Pro? It's got an identical core config to Xbox One and is 160mm2. Slap on the ARM cores, south bridge, Trust Zone etc, and pair w/ one pool of HBM 1 or downclocked HBM2 (for more capacity). Appropriate bandwidth for such a card seems to hover around 100 GB/s. Only problem is power draw: 85 watts@1 Ghz. Shave off some for the (4?) GDDR5 chips and some more if they clock around 800 Mhz. That still won't give them a slim form factor, but who knows? Maybe I'm off in predicting that...
Right, the big question is when the design was locked down.
frankie_baby
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blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I think that a few gaffers share this theory.
BTW, recovered my last missing notes from the matrix multiplication microbenchmark. Turns out I remembered right - A9 slaughters everything else in flops/clock/core.
Another48Hours
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My main thought on NX is how it will sell without tp support and likely sharing some fp with Wii U. At least Wii U had a fake out with some to western support before they stopped trying.
Maybe it'll be cheaper than we all think. Maybe qol will be involved.
Maybe it'll be cheaper than we all think. Maybe qol will be involved.
Fourth Storm
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Yeah, we don't know what's they're planning! Ko Shiota is the man in charge now and he designed the Wii and Wii U! I'm betting against x86 at the moment, just because I can't see them wanting to design this new OS for 2 separate ISAs.
A true cache would be pretty cool. I'd imagine Nintendo would at least want to go further than MS and have the 32 MB pool accessible to the CPU, as it is on Wii U. Nintendo exec quotes keep spinning in my head. "Absorb the Wii U architecture!" "[small pool of efficient RAM] is in our DNA!" hahaI get the feeling HBM would just not be cheap enough at least for another year while IHVs deal with their next wave of high-margin GPUs that are relatively low volume compared to console.
We know how costly the 32MB SRAM is on Durango, but if they were "smart", they'd make it a part of the cache hierarchy not unlike Crystalwell to avoid mandatory buffer management. Hard to say if AMD can design it well.
You might be right about HBM availability. This is really hard to say, although I read an article last year about how good the testing process was and how they shouldn't really face too many yield issues because of that.
The only problem I have with this is that the patent specifically claims the SCD as a "supplemental" device, meaning that it would be useless without the main console/handheld. So if we are to picture this, if you want the NX home console, you need to own or buy the handheld along with it.
TheMoon
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TT Games, not Telltale. Dude was instafired, btw. And that happened post-reveal anyway.
#RIPMattyB00sh
Fourth Storm
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Yeah, I think Blu is on to something. Nintendo have long talked about wanting the console to be invisible.What better than not even needing to have it under a tv? The handheld would need some type of HDMI or wireless HDMI out.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Whats happening? I need a recap or summary!
We are speculating while waiting for a leak that may never come and we are told not to be exited about hehe.
My mistake. It was TT games. They released the Lego city game in March 2013 and one of their play testers is the one who took a screenshot of the new gamepad with analog sticks and leaked it on Twitter and eventually got fired.
Most of Ideaman's and John Harkers leaks during the WUST were from Ubisoft. Ubisoft has terrible NDA's or is terrible at following them. Granted, they are a huge company.
TT and Ubisoft were godsends for our leaks lol.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Under the sounds of shurikens flying and bodies thumping on the ground in an unseen forest.
NO VENA, DON'T DISAPPEAR LIKE THAT, NOOOOOOOOOO
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Welp
James Scott
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Is Nintendo enthusiast still banned here?
They found a dev that worked on 3DS games is working on NX and they commented on their Facebook page a few things. I think it's ok since it's not a NE source
They found a dev that worked on 3DS games is working on NX and they commented on their Facebook page a few things. I think it's ok since it's not a NE source
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
/puts up a board with the world map and starts pinning down locations..
Where's your god now.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Should be
So Indies already have access to devkits?
https://www.facebook.com/BplusGames...8618&comment_tracking={"tn":"R1"}&pnref=story
And why would the NX version have more colors to play with?
https://www.facebook.com/BplusGames...d=991824587554866&comment_tracking={"tn":"R"}
https://www.facebook.com/BplusGames...8618&comment_tracking={"tn":"R1"}&pnref=story
And why would the NX version have more colors to play with?
https://www.facebook.com/BplusGames...d=991824587554866&comment_tracking={"tn":"R"}
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Just spill the beans, fartknockers.
James Scott
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And this
I know the dev does 3DS stuff so maybe he's unaware that he likely shouldn't be sharing anything yet?
New Thread?
Or rather not? Looks like something they could be in trouble for when it gets too public..
Herb Alpert
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I don't get it. More controls on NX than on PC?!?
James Scott
Banned
The controller patents, maybe?
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