It definitely was a solid IP
A shame the last Crash game from Sierra turned into shit because I loved the Crash Bandicoot Trilogy and Crash Team Racing
the IP deserved a better fate
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[Wii U] Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing Transformed framerate issues fixed
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It definitely was a solid IP
A shame the last Crash game from Sierra turned into shit because I loved the Crash Bandicoot Trilogy and Crash Team Racing
the IP deserved a better fate
Dr Zhivago
Member
This game is guaranteed not to have any historical revisionism!
APART FROM ROBOTNIK BEING EGGMAN
Tizoc
Member
It's expanded, there was a tread some weeks ago that detailed all the info.
Off the top of my head, the Campaign mode has multiplayer.
Jawmuncher
Member
The best Kart Racer for people not fond of mario kart.
Sign me up.
Sign me up.
brain_stew
Member
What PC version were you playing?
There is only one. And it's a wii port with worse graphics than ps3 and 360. Worse models, worse lighting, levels and textures. Only resolution and framerate is better.
Well, apparently there are two, and you're the only one with the bad one.
vagabondarts
Member
The one I have looks incredible. Don't know what happened to yours
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I think it was implied 3DS would be getting dlc too this time. No real reason not to, it's going to probably be one of the best selling versions.
Azure Dream
Member
All that "My copy looks just fine!" talk aside, I'm pretty sure the PC version was in fact based off the Wii version assets. It also totally lacked online play.
They (PC and Wii) even shared the same mistake about someone using Sonia the Hedgehog fan art as placeholder art on one of the Casino courses, which wasn't present in the PS3 or 360 versions.
I'm glad S0L has spoken up about the game being fixed, but, I have to be brutally honest here, this is not the first time Sega has sworn all the issues in a demo of a Sonic game would be fixed by the time the title hit launch. And their patch history with Sonic games hasn't been the best, either. So the best thing they can do, if the framerate really is smoothed out, is to show that version off to somebody as soon as they can, preferably a live gameplay demo to press, like on On the Spot on GameSpot for example.
Unfortunately, the pessimist in me would point out that even that could have cherry-picked good content, actively avoiding trouble areas. But getting the fixed version out there, on film, purring along would help a lot.
They (PC and Wii) even shared the same mistake about someone using Sonia the Hedgehog fan art as placeholder art on one of the Casino courses, which wasn't present in the PS3 or 360 versions.
I'm glad S0L has spoken up about the game being fixed, but, I have to be brutally honest here, this is not the first time Sega has sworn all the issues in a demo of a Sonic game would be fixed by the time the title hit launch. And their patch history with Sonic games hasn't been the best, either. So the best thing they can do, if the framerate really is smoothed out, is to show that version off to somebody as soon as they can, preferably a live gameplay demo to press, like on On the Spot on GameSpot for example.
Unfortunately, the pessimist in me would point out that even that could have cherry-picked good content, actively avoiding trouble areas. But getting the fixed version out there, on film, purring along would help a lot.
what about fox mcloud or any other star fox character, they already have a land/water/air vehicle designs hehe
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Believe it when I see it.
I wish they'd show something from the 3DS version, though.
I wish they'd show something from the 3DS version, though.
Diablohead
Member
I own the game for 360 and pc, both are the better ones apart fron the pc missing online multiplayer stuff.
It's by no way the wii version.
Phife Dawg
Member
I want to believe but I'll just wait for impressions. Kart racers are one of the few games I can enjoy with my non-gaming friends so I'd love to get this version.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Just have the Blue Falcon morph into a blue Airwing for flight and a blue Wave Runner for sea. 3 Nintendo series in one!
F-Zero actually has a (great) Sega connection through AX/GX, which is why I'd like to see it represented. Mario could be too I guess thanks to Mario & Sonic Olympics.
Ban Puncher
Member
It's going to be hilarious when Segata Sanshiro is announced as a Japanese region only character to replace Danica.
Did I say 'hilarious'? I meant crushingly disappointing followed by murderous rage.
Did I say 'hilarious'? I meant crushingly disappointing followed by murderous rage.
PC version already runs over 60fps, console versions will be locked to 30fps. Mostly down to the water, it's fully dynamic and requires a lot of processing and effects.
You know there is a configuration tool you run outside the game? If you set it to the lowest detail it will switch to using the Wii assets, but if you turn it all the way up, it uses the 360 assets with higher resolution textures.
As such, I'm going to put this one down as user error...
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S0L
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I can already hear my teeth grinding.
S0L, Vita version info, I've been begging forever.
Also: thank you for making Amigo's vehicle a train. I love it.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Baconsammy
Banned
The first game on DS was total shit. I predict the 3DS version will be shit as well. The first version on PS3 and 360 released with a bad framerate. It appeared to be capped at 30, which is fine, but then it dropped all over the place as you raced. Terrible. Then they patched both console versions and it was pretty much rock solid 30 FPS for every single race the entire time and that was great. 60 FPS is great for kart games, but 30 is most definitely acceptable. Especially when you see how much better the game looks than any Mario Kart game ever made.
Right now we're in full on finaling mode, once it's into submission we intend to look at some demos, be they show floor or end user, but really it's a SEGA question for when they'll show it. Can't really answer that one. Let us finish the game first
On the handheld platforms, we've not shown anything for a couple of reasons. Mainly it's been a question of making sure the framerate is sorted so any visuals we show are indicitive of the final game. We don't want to show anything misleading, as if we have to pull back on detail or textures, you'd then (rightly) complain that early shots don't match the final product.
Oh and whilst I can't go into detail on the PC version, yes, all the complaints from last time were very much heard. There will be online play, proper controller configuration, plus you'll not miss out on leaderboards etc - and that's all I can really say for now!
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S0L
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So, when could we expect trailer / screen for the 3DS/Vita version? Next month? Thanks in advance
DrAndonuts
Member
Right now we're in full on finaling mode, once it's into submission we intend to look at some demos, be they show floor or end user, but really it's a SEGA question for when they'll show it. Can't really answer that one. Let us finish the game first
On the handheld platforms, we've not shown anything for a couple of reasons. Mainly it's been a question of making sure the framerate is sorted so any visuals we show are indicitive of the final game. We don't want to show anything misleading, as if we have to pull back on detail or textures, you'd then (rightly) complain that early shots don't match the final product.
Oh and whilst I can't go into detail on the PC version, yes, all the complaints from last time were very much heard. There will be online play, proper controller configuration, plus you'll not miss out on leaderboards etc - and that's all I can really say for now!
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S0L
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Awesome to hear. I'm getting the Vita and Wii U version, so I'm looking forward to seeing how the two compare. I haven't seen anything announced, but I wonder if Vita/PS3 or Wii U/3DS will have some kind of interactivity.
Also, I sent you a quick PM S0L.
I think the people saying that the PC version is based on the Wii version are on to something.
Xbox - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfyH_WZiGI&feature=player_detailpage#t=156s
Wii - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgUYxQXl1aM&feature=player_detailpage#t=27s
PC - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWiJFSgnUBA
Actually I think that all of the HD versions were ported up from the Wii version, but the Xbox 360 version clearly had a lot more work put into making it not look like a Wii game.
Xbox - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfyH_WZiGI&feature=player_detailpage#t=156s
Wii - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgUYxQXl1aM&feature=player_detailpage#t=27s
PC - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWiJFSgnUBA
Actually I think that all of the HD versions were ported up from the Wii version, but the Xbox 360 version clearly had a lot more work put into making it not look like a Wii game.
that is, again, PC running at minimum settings
It still looks awful at the highest settings. The main difference is it uses motion blur to hide the Wii-quality assets.
Speaking as someone who has played both the Wii version rendered in 1080p via Dolphin, and the PC version rendered (not upscaled!) at native 1080p on my PC, I have to say you need your eyes tested.
Even rendered natively in 1080p, the Wii version is far inferior to the PC version running at that res.
AC2. That's about it.
papersleeves
Member
That's a lot of bullshit. Why do you even take the time to post something like this?
RagingAvatar
Member
Final Fantasy XIII?
But the PC version is far inferior to the Xbox 360 version regardless of resolution. It's clearly missing a lot of the details and effects that separate the Xbox 360 version from the Wii version. It also looks extremely choppy in motion despite the higher framerate, so it's clear that they did nothing to optimize it for 60 fps.
Baconsammy
Banned
I played the first on PS3 and 360. It's simply the best kart game in the past few gens. Crash Team Racing is still the pinnacle, but Sonic was up there. The only complaints I had is that they built multiple tracks around the same franchise instead of having one track per franchise. They felt lazy to me.
And I'll disagree with you. It's terrible on DS. On PS3 and 360 it's the best Kart game released since CTR. On handheld it can't come close to Mario Kart DS. Not even close, whereas the console versions blow Mario Kart console games away.
Well, good to know.
This control scheme might make a little more sense for the rear view option.
Though I don't know if this game supports playing single player or online like that or not.
Digital Foundry Face-off
It's a pretty interesting read. Patched PS3 version has a stable 30fps framerate while the patched 360 version framerate is all over the place.
loborzelda
Neo Member
I would also greatly prefer 60fps without dynamic water, than 30fps with dynamic water.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
So does MK7 honestly.But Mario Kart DS blows console MK games away too
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
In the ONM podcast, they talk about the Developers assuring them that the frame rate will be fixed (it occurs 24 minutes in.)
They also mention the Wii U Monkey Ball mode, where one player plays as the monkey in the ball and tries to run over the other players who are racing.
They also mention the Wii U Monkey Ball mode, where one player plays as the monkey in the ball and tries to run over the other players who are racing.
Well if not him I can't think of anyone else that would be obvious. Any other character they pick would be considered an odd choice even if its a good choice.
WTF???!!! Low poly models -> OFF is what I think means Low poly models OFF!!!
I put Low Poly models -> 4 players and now I found the 360 quality. All the time playing a wii port and I don't know I have a real "nextgen" racing game XD
Sometimes discussions with the developer brings good gifts.
I put Low Poly models -> 4 players and now I found the 360 quality. All the time playing a wii port and I don't know I have a real "nextgen" racing game XD
Sometimes discussions with the developer brings good gifts.