ahaha i was thinking the exact same thing
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Xbox One: 5 million units shipped to retailers
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ahaha i was thinking the exact same thing
As I stated there are examples in all markets of price drops back firing, but I did not say it was the absolute rule.
The OS relies on voice commands to make multitasking intuitive among other things, many things would need overhauled.
Acknowledging mistakes is not always a bad thing as you rightly say but for me dumping kinect as a pack in would more than likely finish it off.
Additional value is a path in conjunction with a reasonable price drop, but timing is important .... not all price drops have the desired effect, perception of a product is important ..... dropping price early and substantially can have a negative effect just as easy as a positive one.
I agree! And it should be fast before a critical mass is reached where people just buy the more successful, more powerful console most of their friends own - regardless of price.
US+UK accounted for 75% of all 360 HW sales and I'm sure the 13 countries that the X1 is on sale today represent >90% of all of 360's market share. X1 isn't going to make inroads where the 360 did not
zackmorris
Member
7 million sold through according to that link, a big difference than shipped to retailers.
Well, I started the chart by comparison of PS generations and added all others by requests.
I guess I should start digging the Gamecube sales data now. kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Well, I started the chart by comparison of PS generations and added all others by requests.
Your chart is going to get a lot more interesting in the coming years. Keep on updating.
Pjsprojects
Member
Sounds bad, what number was WiiU at by this stage?
AHA-Lambda
Member
Yeah, right after Sony announced 7m to consumers (I believe) =/
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
10 million Stars collected, 65 million Koopas stomped, and 78 billion hours of Lego City Loading screens.
D'ultimate
Member
The shareholders are stupid but you guys are so smart, have all the answers and know everything. /rolleyes
The terminology is fine and seems to be what matters as witnessed by it's continued usage for years in the industry. If it wasn't acceptable do you really think they would continue to use it?
Seems to me that MSFT is fine as it's stock price is at a few yrs high and hasn't plummeted in reaction to this news. Also, based on NPD the combined Xbox One/360 seems to be keeping up with PS3/4. It's not as if the division is bleeding red.
I'm unclear as to why some thing MSFT should be in panic cause they aren't matching the competition who've launched worldwide and is doing EXCEPTIONALLY well as apposed to themselves who are only doing really well.
EventHorizon
Member
While the OS is dependent on voice commands, it is not dependent on detecting motions. My suggestion was to remove the motion capture part only but keep the external mic array.
The XB1's quality is not dependent on its price. The PS4 is considered an higher quality product and yet costs less. That is why MS is having the problem in the first place. In my opinion people are placing the value of the XB1 at around $349 without Kinect. The Kinect does add some value but not that much. I'd guess $20-$75 depending on the person although the average would be towards the low end of that range. You can't hurt the perception of you product by lowering its price to the range where people expect it to be.
However to play devil's advocate against removing the Kinect, MS might have contracts in place that require Kinect support. There are probably game in development now that are reliant on the Kinect being there. I don't know the law of it, but I can image those devs might have some gripes with MS is they remove the Kinect as standard equipment. In addition, Microsoft's NUads initiative relies on the Kinect being included. They consider it a money maker for them. So it might make more sense for MS to eat the cost of the Kinect in the hopes that it will make them more money in the long run.
I can count the amount of countries that are receiving PS4 stock with one hand.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It was recently mentioned that Sony are now in 70 countries. I believe it was in the official 7 million article towards the end ... I'll try to find it.
edit: here you go:
http://sknr.net/2014/04/16/sony-announces-over-7-million-playstation-4-units-sold/
shinra-bansho
Member
Joined two years ago. First post now to tell us about the difference in the number of countries launched... :|
Vyse The Legend
Member
I like the way you're thinking, but keep in mind that a majority of MS's console sales typically come from the US and UK. There's a reason that they concentrated on only 21 countries so far. Those extra countries aren't going to make up the difference.
10 billion sold in to the Mario Galaxy.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Do people all of a sudden have issues with a company releasing sold to retailer numbers now? Sony did this all last generation with the PS3 and people didn't seem to have a problem with it?
The PS3 was also the more expensive and underpowered console for years. I'm not sure how anyone who justified an early PS3 purchase can also be an ardent opponent to the Xbox One.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Do people all of a sudden have issues with a company releasing sold to retailer numbers now? Sony did this all last generation with the PS3 and people didn't seem to have a problem with it?
And they got shit for it all last gen. The shoe is on the other foot now, that's all.
PS3 also had weaker gpu.
I keep reading about how Microsoft shipping 5 million consoles in 5 months indicates a healthy amount of sell in for Microsoft. But is it really? We know they shipped 3.9M WW by the end of 2013. That means that 78% of all Xbox One consoles shipped, hit retail within one month and a week of launch. The other 22% are spread out over the course of 3 and a half months. To put that in perspective, the amount of PS4 consoles sold in the same (PS4 launched in PAL markets 2 weeks after it's NA launch, and a week after the X1 launch) amount of time in 2013, is 57% of the cumulative total. Shipped/Sold numbers of Xbox One are massively front loaded.
Counting from just the beginning of 2014 to the date of each companies latest sales/shipped announcements; So April 6th for Sony, and April 17th for Microsoft (to be generous, I won't even count the two weeks of April). We have the PS4 averaging about a 1M SOLD to customers per month globally, and the Xbox One is averaging 366K SHIPPED to retail per month.
Does anyone know what the Xbox 360 shipped/sold numbers globally were for Jan/Feb/March of 2006? The Xbox 360 was still supply constrained in those early months, but I really would like to know how the numbers match in that time frame.
Counting from just the beginning of 2014 to the date of each companies latest sales/shipped announcements; So April 6th for Sony, and April 17th for Microsoft (to be generous, I won't even count the two weeks of April). We have the PS4 averaging about a 1M SOLD to customers per month globally, and the Xbox One is averaging 366K SHIPPED to retail per month.
Does anyone know what the Xbox 360 shipped/sold numbers globally were for Jan/Feb/March of 2006? The Xbox 360 was still supply constrained in those early months, but I really would like to know how the numbers match in that time frame.
Nightengale
Member
Xbox One has been unofficially available in a lot of the other countries already.
I saw quite a few of XB1s in Malaysia, Singapore and Taiwan in the past month.
Baron_Calamity
Member
Wonder how long until retailers will start demanding a price reduction?
Indeed undoubtedly PS4 has great demand however the xbox has less available markets.
In other words the worldwide gap would be less than 2 million if xbox was available in more markets, even factoring PS4's demand and supply constraint.
It presumably was already happening before March given the discounting and bundling that was going on.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Sure, it would be less. But, those countries aren't going to exactly set the world on fire. I'd be surprised if they, in total, sold 500k.
Blu Ray? Free online multiplayer? Internal wi-fi and HDD?
PS3 was never less powerful. Just more complicated. And they didn't push any crazy DRM plans.
Hardly apples-apples.
Celestial Mortal
Member
A guy I know on some other forums whom I sometimes lock in debate about Xbox One vs PS4, stated that you don't see a million units on store shelves hence 5 million shipped means that most of that has been sold through to customers.
I facepalmed and thought that this guy doesn't know about warehouses.
I facepalmed and thought that this guy doesn't know about warehouses.
Dead Prince
Banned
Or bathrooms.
Guess somebody forgot how that free online was when the PS3 launched. The PS3 was an absolute mess with its online structure, most games didn't even have voice chat, no unified friends list and there wasn't even a dedicated store to buy games. That was after a year of seeing what Microsoft was doing with Xbox Live. Sony definitely learned quick aka looking to see what XBL was doing and I applaud them for that.
You guess wrong.
He said he couldn't imagine a reason, and I offered up a few. Nothing more.
Some things MS can do at E3 that could help clot the blood, but probably won't help much.
- Reduce price to $450 with Kinect, $350 without, Sell Kinect for $150 seperate.
- Remove app paywall.
- Announce each XBox can now be used as a dev kit and ID@Xbox is open to all with a $100 yearly dev fee, games and apps.
- Show games, games, games. FH2, Halo (5, HD collection), Gears, Fable, SO, QB, some old Rare IPs getting updated, KI Season 2. They need a lot more than this.
- Demonstrate Cortana working on XBox.
- Announce their plans for DirectX12. They have PC plans with DX12 where I believe games purchased on XBox will be unlocked and playable on the PC, and vica versa through a new PC service.
- Show off their AR stuff, this probably won't impress.
- Xbox Live features, no idea what they could add that would be compelling, but Live wide usage of the matchmaking search using hashtags would be great.
- Games with Gold on Bone
- Open up the Xbox Platform to 3rd party OEMs.
Brad Grenz
Member
I do think the Xbox One is probably right around 4M sold through worldwide as of the end of March. If the PS4 demand maintains its 1M a month pace through May there's a really good chance it will have outsold the Xbox One 2:1 before E3.
At this rate it also seems like Xbox One could end this year having only sold a total of 8M through two holidays. Meanwhile I could see PS4 easily being between 18-20M sold at the same point.
Pretty soon the "tracking ahead of 360" PR math is going to stop working out and people will have to admit the Xbox One had a really good first month of sales, and has flattened out significantly since the New Year.
Sure, it's a marathon, not a sprint, but Microsoft is close to getting lapped and I'm not sure they're prepared to actually run like they need to.
At this rate it also seems like Xbox One could end this year having only sold a total of 8M through two holidays. Meanwhile I could see PS4 easily being between 18-20M sold at the same point.
Pretty soon the "tracking ahead of 360" PR math is going to stop working out and people will have to admit the Xbox One had a really good first month of sales, and has flattened out significantly since the New Year.
Sure, it's a marathon, not a sprint, but Microsoft is close to getting lapped and I'm not sure they're prepared to actually run like they need to.
I didn't know the PS4 is officially available in approximately 50 more countries...Furthermore the North America's lead is overall lead is not that great, I think xbox one is doing ok especially at that the relative higher price point.
In Germany we have Media Markts selling the Titanfall Bundle for 399 = PS4 price and they're still piling up.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I find highly unlikely they will remove the app paywall or add games with gold for the bone. I am pretty sure the entire business plan for the bone revolves around gold live subscriptions.
Removing the paywall reduces one incentive to join live, games with gold is going to cost them mony.
The total cost of those two things is gonna be enough to topple their entire business plan for the generation. And they need to be profitable.
They already are tracking behind in shipped numbers when comparing first quarter 2014 to first quarter 2006. It's the massive first month that's making the difference.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Been checking Craigslist as of late, and someone is selling their Bone with an extra controller, and six games for $550.
I've never bought a system off Craigslist, but I can see it happening in the future if I can find deals like that.
I've never bought a system off Craigslist, but I can see it happening in the future if I can find deals like that.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Do people all of a sudden have issues with a company releasing sold to retailer numbers now? Sony did this all last generation with the PS3 and people didn't seem to have a problem with it?
Memory problems somewhat? Of course they had problems with it; that and the 'Playstation family' bollocks got buckets of internet scorn
Vast majority of Live subs are for multiplayer, MS realizes this, and Sony realized this. They need public perception and more boxes in homes than they need the number of people who buy an Xbox and need to pay for Live to watch Netflix. Especially when there are so many other boxes out there that they could use, and probably do.
Games with Gold of course will cost them money. It costs Sony money and they seem to be doing ok with it(same with no paywall). They need to sell boxes and get people on Live and playing Titanfall and Halo and Sunset Overdrive (all of which is a better incentive to pay for Live than Netflix). This is one way to do it. ntkrnl said it was coming. He was wrong about a few things though, but only in terms of timings and details. It is a good way to make paying for multiplayer a better pill to swallow.
Public perception is their main problem and they realize they need to do a LOT in order to get that back into the green.
semiconscious
Gold Member
um, you forgot 'backward-compatibility'
...yes, there were a number of factors for me that justified an early ps3. & all of them were more appealing to me than 'kinect'...
Portugeezer
Gold Member
Do people all of a sudden have issues with a company releasing sold to retailer numbers now? Sony did this all last generation with the PS3 and people didn't seem to have a problem with it?
Just because people like PS4 now doesn't mean they licked Sony's ass in the PS3 days, not at all. Sony got called out for this shit and their PlayStation family.
It's like the current console race is some people's first rodeo. Sony was called out by people every time they used shipped or their patented "PS3+PS2" combined sales tactic.
I think there's a lot of people for whom Sony dominating worldwide right from the start and even being slightly ahead in America is new, and very difficult to cope with.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
That's very nice and all jagged, but I repeat, they need to make money. They invested tons of money on this, starting with half a billion on the NFL deal and the new controller and they did that based on projections and a business plan. Now they are revising their projections downward which means less revenue and on top of that messing with live is gonna tank them. The difference with ps+ is that sony budgeted for that in advance so it's already factored into their numbers.
Jagged, I repeat, where is the money gonna come from. To give you an idea, righting the ps3 costed sony billions. Granted, so far it does not look like the bone is the unmitigated disaster the ps3 was, but these drastic measures will mean they're gonna have to go to the higher ups at Microsoft and tell them that they need money to fix this situation. And that's gonna be the third time the Xbox fails to produce any meaningful profit.
And I am not being a console warrior here jagged, competition is awesome for consumers. I want Microsoft to do great, I want Nintendo to do great.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
So probably 2 million were sold to customers and there are 3 million on shelves.
Ken Masters
Banned
MS PR loves this, get idiot journalists to think sold-in = sold, make it seem like they're only 2 million behind when maybe 3-4 million behind in units sold to consumers