Neither Sony or M.S. is going to drop their prices to $299 next year, no need, 2015 Game lineup is looking insane.
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Xbox One Price To Go Back Up - Last Chance for $350
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Neither Sony or M.S. is going to drop their prices to $299 next year, no need, 2015 Game lineup is looking insane.
Bitch Pudding
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Why is everybody so surprised? MS has a history of such temporary price cuts. See XBOX 360 holiday price cut in 2012. And they always went back to the original price point.
Yes, MS has been able to gain some significant momentum. And of course this momentum will be completely perished in the first months of 2015, at least. I am quite sure MS knows that, too. But I am also sure that MS` strategy people thought it would be a good idea anyhow.
I personally do not think so. And by that I do not mean going back to the old price tag. The temporary price cut itself was a bad idea, as they are usually pure venom to sustainable sales. As Bam Bam Baklava already explained all they accomplished so far was to pull future sales forward. (Clever) customers who value their money will now most likely just wait for either Halo 5 or the next price cut. And both may take quite a while...
I admire both games, but I don`t believe that either Bloodborne nor The Order will be able to move a significant number of systems.
Yes, MS has been able to gain some significant momentum. And of course this momentum will be completely perished in the first months of 2015, at least. I am quite sure MS knows that, too. But I am also sure that MS` strategy people thought it would be a good idea anyhow.
I personally do not think so. And by that I do not mean going back to the old price tag. The temporary price cut itself was a bad idea, as they are usually pure venom to sustainable sales. As Bam Bam Baklava already explained all they accomplished so far was to pull future sales forward. (Clever) customers who value their money will now most likely just wait for either Halo 5 or the next price cut. And both may take quite a while...
I admire both games, but I don`t believe that either Bloodborne nor The Order will be able to move a significant number of systems.
Fatehehhhh
Banned
Just keep your receipt, man, problem solved.
Quadraphonic
Member
Sure. And the "McRib is back for a limited time" means it's never coming back, too.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
What I gather from this topic is people don't think Microsoft can really compete on even footing? Not seeing much confidence in the product.
shadowsdarknes
Member
I'm not sure why you'd want to kill your momentum so abruptly.
If the XB1 goes back to $399 without any games (after the AC bundles run out), almost nobody is going to buy the system.
People will still want the PS4 more and people know the price was much cheaper and will just hold out.
Getting people to hold out isn't ideal.
If they wait even 3-5 months, that's less Live subscriptions and likely less games sold and less revenue from those games, too.
If someone buys a console during the spring and buys 7 games from then until the end of the year, they may only sell 4-5 games if the person waits until November to buy the system.
The crawl -> sprint -> crawl strategy is not ideal.
If the XB1 goes back to $399 without any games (after the AC bundles run out), almost nobody is going to buy the system.
People will still want the PS4 more and people know the price was much cheaper and will just hold out.
Getting people to hold out isn't ideal.
If they wait even 3-5 months, that's less Live subscriptions and likely less games sold and less revenue from those games, too.
If someone buys a console during the spring and buys 7 games from then until the end of the year, they may only sell 4-5 games if the person waits until November to buy the system.
The crawl -> sprint -> crawl strategy is not ideal.
BoboBrazil
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It's already been proven true it can't.
motorised mallard
Member
He is clearly from the future and knows that Sony won december by almost 400k!
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Also my guess is 1 month before they drop it.
Moon_frogger
Member
It's hijinks like this that caused me to swear Microsoft consoles after the og Xbox.
Microsoft may be prepping for an even larger price cut.
The holiday $50 price cut will expire, and the price of the console will go back up to $399. Then, at the Windows event at the end of January, Microsoft could make a permanent cut to the system to $299.
This would put an immense amount of pressure on Sony.
The holiday $50 price cut will expire, and the price of the console will go back up to $399. Then, at the Windows event at the end of January, Microsoft could make a permanent cut to the system to $299.
This would put an immense amount of pressure on Sony.
I was actually thinking about that when i saw this thread. Haha. Didn't remember your name though. Only the beard. =0
KiefbladeMaster
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rokkerkory
Member
Q1 sales are terrible anyways so I say permanent cut world wide in Q2.
I don't think so now that cross gen is starting to go away.
Biggu Bosu
Banned
Back to $400? They're crazy if they do it
Have you heard of a concept called 'historical evidence'?
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Well that and they really don't have anything else coming out anytime soon, they blew their load of awesomeness in November and December with games and price cuts
Pound_lb003
Member
Just seems like any headway they made in Nov/Dec will be entirely nullified.
Because not only will early 2015 be bad sales-wise, but they'll be raising the price. Maybe it worked for them? They won November/possibly December, positive press, more mindshare?
Maybe that's all they wanted.
Because not only will early 2015 be bad sales-wise, but they'll be raising the price. Maybe it worked for them? They won November/possibly December, positive press, more mindshare?
Maybe that's all they wanted.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I know what happened in the past. Just isn't saying much for product if price parity with its main competitor is seen as such a tragic mistake. The explicitly said it was a limited time offer so why is this such a huge deal? We knew they were taking a bath with a loss-leader strategy that neither company wants to embrace this generation.
motorised mallard
Member
Not out of the question since consumers have already seen the "real" price. Just wait for the mad bundles.
vpance
Member
That's the point. I feel MS has kind of snapped, like Captain Ahab chasing the white whale that is the PS4.
They were smart enough to know they had to pull out the stops this holiday season with the fire sales. If they gave up that strategy next year it would be a clear signal that they threw in the towel and are unwilling to lose more money. I don't think that will be the case. They're all in like a gambler on tilt.
It still looks desperate, for two systems that are similar on paper (almost) the cheaper one just makes you wonder 'what's wrong with it'
If I was a stranger to forums/news ect and sat down with both systems, I would notice ps4 has truck loads of more games available to buy/rent
The indie game on ps4 is unreal, visually it's nice to see
freefornow
Gold Member
Uhmmmm, you may be out of the loop
Do you honestly think this went through the minds of customers this holiday season?
Neuromancer
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I would probably get an X1 in that case. I like cornflakes too so that would kill two birds with one stone.
Final Verdict
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I don't think they will go THAT far, but I think they are bringing the price back up so that they can do a price cut at E3 to $299/$399 (and euros) that will serve as their first official price cut for all territories.
I think they will need to do this because I think Sony will be cutting the PS4 price to $349/$449 either at E3, or Gamescom.
If they made this pricecut official, and then did another one at E3 to drop it $50, then it would just look really bad/desperate for them.
Final Verdict
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I would imagine that they sort of have to do it now as they have been advertising $349 as a 'limited' deal all season, so if they just didn't raise it back up for at least a little while, then people would get upset over being duped, and they might could get sued for false advertising.
I'm no lawyer, but this is just my gut feeling on it.
Banjo-Kazooie
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7k? Wut
Just saw a commercial again for the $349 price on ESPN. I really don't see this bump back up lasting long
Who knows? It's still $100 less than it was last year, at least until June (?).
I would pay $400 for cornflakes if they came with a free Xbone.
I already have a PS4 which hugely diminishes the value XB1 can offer. Would need to be $150 or so.
vpance
Member
Well all of us on here are in the know behind the reasons of these price cuts, but I'm not sure the average joe cares all that much. They want CoD, they want Ass, they want cheap, and they want to play with their friends. A strategy like this would never hook many people in Germany or other countries in Europe, but in the US it works.
It's in MS best interests to try and steal the thunder behind PS4's inevitable price cut next year, to keep themselves in the limelight.
I think Sony needs $329 if not $299, post E3. I feel a $50 cut won't make much waves anymore now that MS has set the stage with insane fire sales. And I think MS will try to jump the gun by going $299 sometime before E3.
Even if the public at large smells the desperation, they won't care. It's the same idea behind rock bottom TV prices and the willingness to accept at-par quality.
Amentallica
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What a stupid example. Of course the console is going to drop in price permanently at some point. Whether that time is now is uncertain.
To be blunt, of course it can't. For the general purchaser with no interest in media or exclusives the PS4 is perceived as being "better" at playing games due to the general perception built up due to the specification advantage it has. In general people don't pay the same for a weaker product. Therefore the XB1 has to be cheaper than the PS4 unless MS can generate enough belief it has other advantages that outweigh the straight power difference.
Obviously those who prefer Xbox exclusives or are interested in the media side will see more value in XB1 but as has been proven at retail that demographic represents a minority next to the majority picking up what they believe is the more game friendly console.
Hence to match PS4 or exceed it MS had to provide lower price point which they did November/December.
Now they may have generated enough momentum in US to allow them to be closer in price (although I still doubt they haveyself) but globally it's obvious they need their device to be cheaper option.
It's not lack of confidence it's simply a - no doubt unwelcome for MS - market reality.
I don't see why some of you are surprised by this news, Microsoft said from the start that it was temporary.
They'll still have the two game bundles available and I wouldn't be surprised to see the $50 savings get swapped by a free game at some point. Next price drop will probably be when the cheaper chipset revision is being produced, my guess is e3.
They'll still have the two game bundles available and I wouldn't be surprised to see the $50 savings get swapped by a free game at some point. Next price drop will probably be when the cheaper chipset revision is being produced, my guess is e3.
Exactly, but I doubt Either Sony or M.S. Will get there hands on 20nm APUs until late next year, maybe early 2016.
Edit.
Microsoft chipset revision info got out a while back, its supposed to be ready in 2015. I don't remember if it mentioned when in 2015 though.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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Do you how this transition works? Like when they move to the new 20nm APU , will AMD use the first batch then their biggest client and so on?
I just can't see them sticking to a flat $400. Sales are going to plummet incredibly hard. If they do indeed raise it back up in price I see them waiting a month or two and then dropping the price of the system back down to $350, and then offering another bundle with a game or two at $400.
