Fried Food
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Can someone explain to me whats new with the magic classes?
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New previews for Dark Souls II
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I know spells cost endurance now, but I barely know anything about the game so I'm sure there's a lot more.
Casting speed scales with Attunement.
SeventhSon
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This reminds me, I hope it isn't required to murder the NPCs to get the cool gear.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Usually dual wielding is a bit quicker but for not all classes. It also allows a combination of move sets without needing to change weapons. Spear in one hand, uchi in another for instance. Personally dual wielding has more flaws than benefits. The drain in endurance is high and your defense is low due to not having a shield. Now that there is a special stance which increases attack and even moveset it may be a bit more popular.
Has an NPC ever given you their armor in the Souls series without you killing them in one way or another (or finding their dead body)? Weapons possibly but usually for a price.
Red Liquorice
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+ Pyromancy is now tied to intelligence just like sorcery (or is part of sorcery? - i.e. no more pyro glove? dunno about that part)
+ Magic can now be cast in the first person like bows (and crossbows now also iirc?)
+ Magic can be cast with R1 and R2 in varying strengths/versions just like when you use a weapon and it has regular/strong attacks.
+ Consumable items that give you more magic casts
That's all I know, my first character is going to be sorcery can't f-cking wait! XD
It's fun. Also, easy mode.
Domhall of Zena sells you his own gear, no? But, generally, yeah.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Mostly just my taste, but magic always seemed really boring compared to fighting with a sword and shield. The Souls games have such great tactical combat, it seems like a waste to spend the majority of your time at range pew-pewing magic missiles.
Baldwin_the_First
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While Dual wielding, you can't block nor parry. Plus the only way you can utilize the dual stance (holding triangle) is when you have equipped weapons of the same genre. (daggers on both hands, swords, short swords, etc.)
There was a poll on reddit asking which class players were going to start with, the result of the first poll at the time of this post (with 1422 total votes) were:
Swordsman - 18%
Knight - 17%
Deprived - 16%
Warrior - 15%
Sorcerer - 9%
Explorer - 9%
Priest - 8%
Bandit - 8%
(dual) swordman is the top choice as of now.
SeventhSon
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Siegmeyer's armor is purchased from the Crestfallen Merchent, it does not drop.
It's very rare. I just would rather not have to play the trial and error game when it comes to gear (murder NPC to see if gear drops, or wait to see if gear is obtained elsewhere, or if the NPC later gives a great item).
Red Liquorice
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Aye, siwmae. Domnhall sells his gear. You find Ingwards without having to kill him too.
The stronger soul arrows are slow to cast, but about half way through the game you get better options and are unlikely to use them in favour of homing soul mass and soul spear (and the crystal variants) which are faster to cast and hit harder. Plus dark magic which is completely OP.
Lots of fun, it's not all offensive Soul Arrows, there's all kinds of support magic and buffs.
The stronger soul arrows are slow to cast, but about half way through the game you get better options and are unlikely to use them in favour of homing soul mass and soul spear (and the crystal variants) which are faster to cast and hit harder. Plus dark magic which is completely OP.
semiconscious
Member
just did my first magic run in demon's souls (i'd also previously always sword'n'boarded). &, yeah, absolutely this...
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I would be wary on just pillaging NPC's. Several may have quests that give you benefits and Lautrec iirc doesn't drop his armour if you kill him.
Its best not to be rash.
Well, technically it's not Ingward's stuff, but yeah.
Red Liquorice
Member
I knew someone would catch my collar with that, but yeah you're right
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Welp, now I know what my starting item will be.
Dear Invaders: Please eat a dick. Sincerely yours, a person who doesn't want to put up with your OP equipment having bullshit.
There's more to magic than that, though. Weapon enchants, utility spells like fall control and chameleon, all the heals and buffs that miracles have etc. I like playing hybrid melee spellcasters, it typically gimps the hell out of my vitality but the benefits are worth it. And I still spend all my time in melee combat, with rare exceptions.
Dark Souls 2 offensive magic seems significantly more interesting...you've got heavy and light attacks for spells, and casting takes stamina. You can two-hand catalysts for more power and direct aiming. And you can restore spell charges with an item rather than being limited to what you can store at a bonfire, which is a nice compromise between the Demon's Souls and Dark Souls magic systems.
Still probably going to stick to a spellsword build though. Deep down all I really want to do is have two enchanted greataxes and hit someone with both at the same time.
really?
Because spellcaster types got away with ALOT in DS1, so this is going to be interesting if they put more limits on them
Fried Food
Banned
Thanks. I know I had read that they had revamped the magic classes and I'm glad to see it's true. Def gonna do a magic heavy build my first time through.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
No one cares about Domnhall's gear
99% of the times you get armour for killing, doing a quest or finding a dead body. By talking and exploring you can determine exactly which one you need to do if you want the set.
99% of the times you get armour for killing, doing a quest or finding a dead body. By talking and exploring you can determine exactly which one you need to do if you want the set.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Don't know about dual wielding, but you can parry while two-handing
You couldn't parry while dual wielding before, why would it be any different now?
You can while using 2 handed weapons now so it would be ok to have something
Sure you can, depending on the weapon (estoc, shotel, rapier, knifes, etc). Or are you talking about something else?
pretty done
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All the scrubs that ran for the big mushrooms and big cats, WHERE U AT NOW DAWGS??
Now that is an interesting gameplay wrinkle.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Oh shit, just realized we are in March already
ALL ABOARD
ALL ABOARD
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
That's interesting considering that the majority of my most-played builds are no-shield dual-wielders and my playstyle is to parry whatever can be (since some attacks can't be you're forced to dodge sometimes).
I'm just saying this would be one change that would really cramp my playstyle. Far more than respec or bonfire warping or whatever else people are worrying about.
I guess we'll see... this is the one thing that sucks about my (admittedly leaky) media blackout.
AlphaDragoon
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I really hope they did make it where you can parry with any weapon while two-handing it. That was one of my biggest gripes about Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, not being able to parry with any weapon. It's like for all the care into medieval history From takes into their games they forgot that you can in fact completely block AND deflect a sword with another sword.
Being able to two-hand my katana and parry with it would be the dream.
Being able to two-hand my katana and parry with it would be the dream.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
This would be fine then. Pretty cool solution actually.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I hope Darkwraith set makes a return somehow, or a equivalent of this:
AKingNamedPaul
I am Homie
I hope Darkwraith set makes a return somehow, or a equivalent of this:
More berserk inspired gear the better
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Yo those Mushroom guys are best. Whenever I know I cannot take these gankers, I run to that pool and every time they always underestimate how strong these guys are.
The real catch though is their poise. Takes three greatsword 2h swings to stun them or two Ultra 2h swings and by then they would have already punched the shit out of you.
Give me this armour set FROM.
KennyLinder
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Having put over 300 hours in DS1, I am very excited about Dark Souls 2. Can't decide what character class to go for first. I did like holding those big weapons with two hands
Screaming Meat
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Wasn't Artorias based on Guts?
Artorias was it but not his armor
Lots of Berserk references through Souls series.
I would love to see a Berserk game. I think From could do it justice. Miyazaki is a stated fan of Berserk. I'd love to see them go for it.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Give in to temptation. Its 1 week away 0_0
Counting the seconds to release.... ugh.........
Agreed. My first character was magic. Big mistake. Made the game too easy and not as fun. On the other hand, I loved my first playthrough so being able to switch to the superior melee option made my second playthrough just as fresh. Going in the other direction wouldn't have been as fun.
But yeah, I'd typically avoid using magic in Souls games.
I think the first Dark Souls was not completely designed for magic user because the majority of the level were really easy with magic.
Instead Dark Souls 2 seem to be balanced for both melee and magic.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Mage was more fun in Demons Souls. Cast speeds were faster especially for stuff like firestorm and the magic appears to come out of your hand making mages look less lame. Dark Souls its just turned into dark bead spam with moonlight greatsword.