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[RayMaker]

Okay then, thanks for clearing that up man!

I barely know squat about Quantum and I know this isn't an isolated feeling. There's been more coverage on Order than Quantum, which makes sense given Quantum might not be coming this year after all. Only stuff I know on that game is it's half game half tv show and probably takes place in Washington DC, and the time-freeze powers.

Interesting, but that's all we know, literally.

Plus we've seen no in-game footage of Quantum; they've yet to show how the game/tv structure actually works.

This video from the remedy website tells you more about quantum break then what we know about the order.

http://vimeo.com/81704438

 

[Ingueferroque]

Jaw dropping, the gameplay doesnt look too interesting to me though.

And the animations just aren't matching the visuals, but I can't hold that against it. It looks stunning.

 

[yurinka]

Well, the panic over Infamous ended up being valid... the game is very slim on content and fresh ideas.

I think Sony is trying to sell the PS4 on its graphics capability. Which makes sense when you consider that a lot of the early excitement surrounding a new console generation is "how much better does it look."

Nope, Media Molecule and the 'indie' games published by Sony, plus the 3rd party indies they aso push to support PS4 would add this part of new ideas. This in addition to the number of new IPs Sony use to release every year (including some of them not too typical like the Quantic Dream ones) makes unfair to say that Sony only focuses on graphics.

This is one of the main reasons of why I prefer them and their consoles over the other ones even if in previous generations didn't have the best graphics..

 

[StuBurns]

This video from the remedy website tells you more about quantum break then what we know about the order.

http://vimeo.com/81704438

I just watched that, I have no idea what the game is at all. I know there's a TV show in it, and he didn't even mention how it's in there.

I know what The Order is.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

And what's wrong with having more than one game that plays similar? Nobody trips out about Mario and Donkey Kong platformers on Nintendo consoles, PGR and Forza or Alan Wake and Gears of War on Xbox consoles. Hell, people are asking for a new Perfect Dark even though Xbox already has Halo.

I hope you're not excited for Sunset Overdrive or Crackdown 3, since there's already Dead Rising 3 which is sure to have very similar gameplay to both. Wacky weapons? Mutants/zombies? Some powers and special traversal methods? Open world setting? Each of those 3 games have these things to varying degrees

What in the world am I reading here?

 

[AlexIIDX]

The transition from cutscene to gameplay looks flawless. I'm really looking forward to this.

 

[RayMaker]

I just watched that, I have no idea what the game is at all. I know there's a TV show in it, and he didn't even mention how it's in there.

I know what The Order is.

there is this video as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rly8s1ZkkL4

Ok

In that video this is what he said about the Gameplay of Quantum break

• There are paused timed stutters where the player can explore
• There are multiple time powers
• its an action shooting game
• There are story elements mentions (the company monarch and a time experiment that goes wrong)
• Theres a some sought of live action show with it as well
• Its combining what they learnt about action and gunplay from max payne and what they learnt about story from alan wake

As far as the order All I know is the what I have seen from the gameplay segments

• its a shooter
• it has QTE
• It has on rails segments (dragging the cop of the street).
• its set in london 1886
• there are weapons that are more complex then normal guns
• Theres supernatural and human enemies

Although RAD have said there is more then shooting/action elements I dont know what the final game will be! Is it a TPS or is there more?.

With Quantum break they have given a better outline on what the game is.

 

[fuzzyreactor]

Game has so much style. The setting, weapons, and character design are god tier. I'm hoping the weaponry and environment have certain interactions that make the gameplay more dynamic than bang, cover, bang, bang

 

[StuBurns]

there is this video as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rly8s1ZkkL4

Ok

In that video this is what he said about the Gameplay of Quantum break

• There are paused timed stutters where the player can explore
• There are multiple time powers
• its an action shooting game
• There are story elements mentions (the company monarch and a time experiment that goes wrong)

As far as the order All I know is the what I have seen from the gameplay segments

its a shooter
it has QTE
It has on rails segments (dragging the cop of the street).

Though because RAD have said there is more then shooting/action elements I dont know what the final game will be! Is it a TPS or is there more?.

With Quantum break they have given a better outline on what the game is.

Basically what you're saying is if information isn't given in a video, you don't count it? Why is what RaD say worth less than what Max Payne there says? Because you see him saying it?

 

[Brandon F]

Real bummer watching four grunts run onto the balcony "clown-car-style" repeatedly and stand in the exact same spot waiting to be slaughtered by pistol fire as mustachio superherio pulls the body across the street. They take bullets on the shoulders, legs, whatever, and the only reaction is to stand in place and keep failing to aim properly at the player until eventually shot dead and replaced.

It's a technical showcase, but that vertical slice did little to impress otherwise.

 

[soultron]

Maybe it's the videos in the OP, but the sound mix is really flat. The audio design in general seems like it's very "first pass." Visually it looks great, however.

Gameplay shown doesn't really excite me though. Will have to wait for more videos.

 

[momolicious]

Is it running like less than 30 fps? It does not look smooth at all.

 

[DirgeExtinction]

there is this video as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rly8s1ZkkL4

Ok

In that video this is what he said about the Gameplay of Quantum break

• There are paused timed stutters where the player can explore
• There are multiple time powers
• its an action shooting game
• There are story elements mentions (the company monarch and a time experiment that goes wrong)
• Theres a some sought of live action show with it as well
• Its combining what they learnt about action and gunplay from max payne and what they learnt about story from alan wake

As far as the order All I know is the what I have seen from the gameplay segments

• its a shooter
• it has QTE
• It has on rails segments (dragging the cop of the street).
• its set in london 1886
• there are weapons that are more complex then normal guns
• Theres supernatural and human enemies

Although RAD have said there is more then shooting/action elements I dont know what the final game will be! Is it a TPS or is there more?.

With Quantum break they have given a better outline on what the game is.

For The Order, there are also moments where you investigate crime scenes.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Although RAD have said there is more then shooting/action elements I dont know what the final game will be! Is it a TPS or is there more?.

With Quantum break they have given a better outline on what the game is.

Both developers have said quite a bit about how their games were supposed to play, you'd know that had you bothered to look. Neither of them has actually shown much at this point, we're waiting for E3.

 

[Darknight]

there is this video as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rly8s1ZkkL4

Ok

In that video this is what he said about the Gameplay of Quantum break

• There are paused timed stutters where the player can explore
• There are multiple time powers
• its an action shooting game
• There are story elements mentions (the company monarch and a time experiment that goes wrong)
• Theres a some sought of live action show with it as well
• Its combining what they learnt about action and gunplay from max payne and what they learnt about story from alan wake

As far as the order All I know is the what I have seen from the gameplay segments

• its a shooter
• it has QTE
• It has on rails segments (dragging the cop of the street).
• its set in london 1886
• there are weapons that are more complex then normal guns
• Theres supernatural and human enemies

Although RAD have said there is more then shooting/action elements I dont know what the final game will be! Is it a TPS or is there more?.

With Quantum break they have given a better outline on what the game is.

Both are shooters. Ok thats all we need to know. Will they be good/bad? We dont know until reviews and we play them. What you are doing is crazy because you are literally nitpicking to make some odd point that we know nothing about The Order. There is a Gameinformer article with info on it. Read it?

Sorry to break it to you but both games are action shooters with killrooms. If you dont like that basic info, you should ignore both games right now.

 

[RayMaker]

Basically what you're saying is if information isn't given in a video, you don't count it? Why is what RaD say worth less than what Max Payne there says? Because you see him saying it?

No if there is more information regarding the gameplay of the order 1886 please share.

I have been looking and cant find anything else.Same goes for quantum break most of the information comes from the videos.

The only reson I mention quantum break as an exampl of a btter way how to market a game

becuase in my first reply to this

Honestly looking at them now, the new footage looks better, compressed or not. The lighting effects on the character and gun are better and bring the focal point on the player character (as it should be), and the saturation levels are toned down to create a more appropriate vibe, not to mention it works better for contrast w/ the explosions.

Level of texture detail for the buildings looks better in the old shots yeah, but I'd take the newer ones easily. It actually has depth and doesn't look flat.

Same. This is probably the best-looking next-gen game I've seen so far, both in a technical and artistic sense. Can't wait 'till crow's eaten by the haters thinking the game's gonna suck.

I was trying to say that its not that people think its going to suck, its because RAD have been saying there's going to be more then just shooting, yet they have failed to show that in multiple gameplay previews, hence the disappointment from people anticipating the game expecting more based on what the developers have said.

For all we know the ''moment to moment gameplay'' could be things like dragging the cop off the road!

More specific and direct words were needed from RAD/sony.

 

[erawsd]

Nope, Media Molecule and the 'indie' games published by Sony, plus the 3rd party indies they aso push to support PS4 would add this part of new ideas. This in addition to the number of new IPs Sony use to release every year (including some of them not too typical like the Quantic Dream ones) makes unfair to say that Sony only focuses on graphics.

This is one of the main reasons of why I prefer them and their consoles over the other ones even if in previous generations didn't have the best graphics..

None of that is relevant to my statement. I didn't say that Sony has only ever cared about graphics.

 

[SniperHunter]

Maybe it's the videos in the OP, but the sound mix is really flat. The audio design in general seems like it's very "first pass." Visually it looks great, however.

yea the audio is pretty weak atm

 

[IAmRandom31]

Maybe it's the videos in the OP, but the sound mix is really flat. The audio design in general seems like it's very "first pass." Visually it looks great, however.

Gameplay shown doesn't really excite me though. Will have to wait for more videos.

Yeh it is likely very early audio editing. Doesn't sound as refined as the official teasers / trailers.

 

[Kyoufu]

there is this video as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rly8s1ZkkL4

Ok

In that video this is what he said about the Gameplay of Quantum break

• There are paused timed stutters where the player can explore
• There are multiple time powers
• its an action shooting game
• There are story elements mentions (the company monarch and a time experiment that goes wrong)

As far as the order All I know is the what I have seen from the gameplay segments

its a shooter
it has QTE
It has on rails segments (dragging the cop of the street).

Though because RAD have said there is more then shooting/action elements I dont know what the final game will be! Is it a TPS or is there more?.

With Quantum break they have given a better outline on what the game is.

Maybe you should watch some The Order videos too? For some reason you seem to think this short gameplay clip is the only thing we've seen from the game therefore we know nothing about it? The game was previewed back in February.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFUFOlml7l0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DCQC6g7E7I

 

[Cornbread78]

I'm still trying to figure out all yhe hate for this game I'm reading, I mean it looks really, reeeaallly good..

 

[Darknight]

Real bummer watching four grunts run onto the balcony "clown-car-style" repeatedly and stand in the exact same spot waiting to be slaughtered by pistol fire as mustachio superherio pulls the body across the street. They take bullets on the shoulders, legs, whatever, and the only reaction is to stand in place and keep failing to aim properly at the player until eventually shot dead and replaced.

It's a technical showcase, but that vertical slice did little to impress otherwise.

I agree. That one scene where you have to drag that dude from the floor to the room is laughable. Even more so because the scene that takes place right after that, when they fall back in, all you see is everyone standing around you while Galahan just looks odd aiming offscreen.

Shouldnt your buddies be doing some more suppressive fire while you go into the room instead of looking around like dummies? Its also weird because as the older dude goes in last, he still gets shot. Like did the enemies stop for that scene and then start shooting again at the lone old dude? idk looks dumb as heck.

But I understand this is just a small bite from the game. I do not expect to be dragging bodies all game. I know E3 is around the corner and expect it to be shown live to some epic scene so I dont need to dwell too much on this particular scene.

 

[StuBurns]

No if there is more information regarding the gameplay of the order 1886 please share.

I have been looking and cant find anything else.Same goes for quantum break most of the information comes from the videos.

The only reson I mention quantum break as an exampl of a btter way how to market a game

becuase in my first reply to this

Well the only real marketing for The Order has been the E3 trailer, the Game Informer cover story, and the first round of previous, with the second round coming Tuesday.

The GI article is the best source of information about the game. Here's a somewhat key quote to give you a sense of the non-combat elements:

While the focus is on third-person gunplay combat, The Order sometimes pulls back for slower paced moments of investigation and exploration.

Given the frequent citing of Naughty Dog's recent output as their biggest inspiration, I think going in with the expectation of a ND style experience, but in bizarro Victorian London and hella pretty graphics is a very apt way of communicating what this game is going to be.

I literally don't know what QB is, although I know I can't play a game with FMV, hopefully that stuff is not actually in the game, and it's tie-in XBL stuff. I do remember hearing about seasons, so maybe that is the case.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Huh.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=693724

Huh.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I do want to see more weapons,we know of 3 and a grenade.




http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...he-weapons-and-gadgets-of-the-order-1886.aspx

Hype rising

 

[Enlil]

looks really interesting, love the atmopshere, the voiceacting, physics and music.

also: reminds me of timesplitters in some ways, hope it will have an awesome online.

 

[RayMaker]

Well the only real marketing for The Order has been the E3 trailer, the Game Informer cover story, and the first round of previous, with the second round coming Tuesday.

The GI article is the best source of information about the game. Here's a somewhat key quote to give you a sense of the non-combat elements:

Given the frequent citing of Naughty Dog's recent output as their biggest inspiration, I think going in with the expectation of a ND style experience, but in bizarro Victorian London and hella pretty graphics is a very apt way of communicating what this game is going to be.

I literally don't know what QB is, although I know I can't play a game with FMV, hopefully that stuff is not actually in the game, and it's tie-in XBL stuff. I do remember hearing about seasons, so maybe that is the case.

Cant you not read or something?

spoken from max paynes mouth

• its an action adventure game
• there are multiple ''time powers''
• its takes what they learnt about gunplay from maxpayne and story from alan wake
• gameplay freezes in real time

that combined with the trailers and gameplay with have seen of it, if you cant picture in your mind what the game will play like then I feel sorry for you.

So RAD say in the GI article that its a a third person shooter, but they fail to make this crystal clear in other interviews?

that is precisely my point

In this interview they dont even mention gameplay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DCQC6g7E7I

How you play the game is the most important thing of any game, which is why they need to not only be more precise and specific about the gameplay but actually mention it.

I'am actually looking forward to a TPS set in Victorian London with great graphics. It is just a shame they could not of made it clearer from the get go that the order 1886 is a third person shooter with some investigating.

This thread is a testament to that.Its not hate just unclear marketing on RAD/sony's part, thus creating unclear expectations and inevitable confusion and disappointment.

Maybe this is what sony/RAD have been planning all along. Show the gameplay/action stuff first and there share other elements for E3?
Its is a good strategy but it does have its disadvantages.

 

[Cave Johnson]

Cant you not read or something?

spoken from max paynes mouth

• its an action adventure game
• there are multiple ''time powers''
• its takes what they learnt about gunplay from maxpayne and story from alan wake
• gameplay freezes in real time

that combined with the trailers and gameplay with have seen of it, if you cant picture in your mind what the game will play like then I feel sorry for you.

So RAD say in the GI article that its a a third person shooter, but they fail to make this crystal clear in other interviews?

that is precisely my point

In this interview they dont even mention gameplay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DCQC6g7E7I

How you play the game is the most important thing of any game, which is why they need to not only be more precise and specific about the gameplay but actually mention it.

I'am actually looking forward to a TPS set in Victorian London with great graphics. It is just a shame they could not of made it clearer from the get go that the order 1886 is a third person shooter with some investigating.

This thread is a testament to that.Its not hate just unclear marketing on RAD/sony's part, thus creating unclear expectations and inevitable confusion and disappointment.

Maybe this is what sony/RAD have been planning all along. Show the gameplay/action stuff first and there share other elements for E3?
Its is a good strategy but it does have its disadvantages.

I'd rather they did the opposite. Showcasing what makes their game unique then followed by whatever they're releasing right now in order to offset any "doubts" to begin with.

 

[StuBurns]

Cant you not read or something?

spoken from max paynes mouth

• its an action adventure game
• there are multiple ''time powers''
• its takes what they learnt about gunplay from maxpayne and story from alan wake
• gameplay freezes in real time

• It's action adventure, okay, so is Zelda, and The Last of Us, that really tells me nothing.
• 'Time powers' tells me nothing. Max Payne has time powers, but so does Braid, it can mean anything.
• What did they learn from those things? That tells me nothing.
• I literally don't know what that means. Gameplay freezes? So the game just stops? That tells me nothing.

More importantly, what I want to know is if the TV bullshit is in the game, and if so how, otherwise I couldn't bring myself to possibly care, once I know I never need to see it, then I can start finding out if I care about the game or not. That to me is the most important thing about this game, because until I know that, the rest is irrelevant.

 

[Pop On Arrival]

when are they gonna make the npcs look natural when they're running around from cover to cover? Despite the flashy graphics, the characters in the game move so goddamn awkwardly. I see nothing to be excited about with this game, really. Looks like any other middling TPS, only this time it's on a new console.

 

[Winterfang]

Watching the gameplay the only thing in my mind was. Was it really the best decision to make a shooter with the entire world covered in mist? I could barely see the enemies location.

 

[SniperHunter]

Honest opinion, Quantum Break looks way more interesting than The Order 1886. The game is trying something new with the time mechanics and I hope it turns out well.

The Order 1886 on the other hand is trying to mimic Uncharted and The Last of Us (guys at RAD are a big fan of Naughty Dog), not that there is anything wrong with that...

 

[Rodney McKay]

Hmm, effects and animations looked solid, but the motion blur was seriously bugging me. Seems way too strong to the point where I couldn't see stuff very well.

 

[H4r4kiri]

Honest opinion, Quantum Break looks way more interesting than The Order 1886. The game is trying something new with the time mechanics and I hope it turns out well.

The Order 1886 on the other hand is trying to mimic Uncharted and The Last of Us (guys at RAD are a big fan of Naughty Dog), not that there is anything wrong with that...

That is not a comparison I would make. They have completely different approaches and settings. I don't think all people want to watch a TV Show to understand a game or to get further. I think these games are too different and are taking too different routes to be comparable.
Yes they are both TPS, but that doesn't mean anything. Because they can differentiate alot. I wouldnt compare Uncharted to Gears either.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

One is game from a studio that has made products that have excellent story and gameplay, the other is from a studio whose game is their first foray into console development.

It's not a fair comparison at all.

 

[StuBurns]

One is game from a studio that has made products that have excellent story and gameplay, the other is from a studio whose game is their first foray into console development.

It's not a fair comparison at all.

I think RaD's GoWs have better writing and game design than anything Remedy has made personally, I don't see the problem with the comparison.

 

[Scully Scully Scoo]

Honest opinion, Quantum Break looks way more interesting than The Order 1886. The game is trying something new with the time mechanics and I hope it turns out well.

The Order 1886 on the other hand is trying to mimic Uncharted and The Last of Us (guys at RAD are a big fan of Naughty Dog), not that there is anything wrong with that...

personally not hyped for either. qb has that tv bs put into it and the order lacks multiplayer.

 

[SniperHunter]

personally not hyped for either. qb has that tv bs put into it and the order lacks multiplayer.

The tv stuff in QB is totally optional, you don't have to watch the tv show in order to understand the in game story.

Having a tv show just increases the awareness of the game, people who enjoy the show might buy the game, I guess that's MS's strategy

 

[get2sammyb]

The insinuations that Ready at Dawn is incapable of creating a great console game are absurd. It may have been working from an existing template, but I'd argue it created the best God of War games to date.

Regardless, I think that the studio will be leeching off that kind of criticism - I really hope they blow everyone away. Honestly, my biggest concern when this was announced was that the fusion of futuristic and historical wouldn't work, but even from the miniscule clips that we've seen, it's already clear that it blends.

I really wouldn't worry about the studio's ability to deliver - that's silly. Just because it worked on PSP in the past, doesn't mean it's incapable of making the jump at all. In fact, it's ridiculous, considering this already looks like one of the greatest visual feasts of all time. Obviously, there's more to game development than that, but its God of War games were expertly paced, and humanised Kratos - a pretty poor character, in my opinion - in the way that Sony Santa Monica couldn't.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

If you were to tell me this was cg, i would have believed you.

I thought it WAS cg when I was watching that part.

 

[Some Nobody]

I keep meaning to pick that up.

I'm pretty loose with the definition of killing people, Uncharted annoyed me most when every encounter was me killing people I presumed were friends of each other, possibly family members, and each time all they wanted to do was end the terror of the guy that's murdering everyone they know.

Now, it looks like in The Order you get to murder working-class British people who are part of a resistance army against the elite class. It's like you're on the wrong side of a civil conflict!

The mental gymnastics required to think this way are astounding. It's as if you really just want to think of the protagonist as a bad guy.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

For all we know the ''moment to moment gameplay'' could be things like dragging the cop off the road!

More specific and direct words were needed from RAD/sony.

If these guys are looking to games like Gears and Uncharted as the benchmark, they know a little better than to think dragging a cop across a small street is enough to justify a "moment-to-moment" gameplay claim.

And as far as haters, maybe not you specifically, but there's a lot of people in this thread dogging on the game in the most...imaginative ways. Acting 'spicious. People saying it has "2007 gameplay" for example...how in hell do you rate game mechanics by year?

 

[GeoramA]

They should have announced the delay yesterday and saved the new footage for Tuesday. No more sneak peaks, plz.

I guess one good thing out of this is Sony isn't rushing RAD to release it this year.

 

[Kyoufu]

I keep meaning to pick that up.

I'm pretty loose with the definition of killing people, Uncharted annoyed me most when every encounter was me killing people I presumed were friends of each other, possibly family members, and each time all they wanted to do was end the terror of the guy that's murdering everyone they know.

Now, it looks like in The Order you get to murder working-class British people who are part of a resistance army against the elite class. It's like you're on the wrong side of a civil conflict!

I think that's part of the plot. There are three sides to this war; the Order, who work for the government, the half-breeds and the resistance. In the interview I posted earlier it sounded like Galahad will go on this journey and unravel who and what he's actually fighting for.

I don't know about you guys, but the story is what really intrigues me about this game. Knights that are 600+ years old? I'm in.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

I know of a few female gamers who like steampunk stuff. I might show them this and see what they think.

 

[StuBurns]

White Chapel might be well known for Jack the Ripper, but that whole area of London was a complete shit hole in that period. Presumably in their world things are even worse because of the monsters, and it's inspiring a revolution. Seems odd the idea we'd be playing people who are oppressing that.

 

[DirgeExtinction]

They should have announced the delay yesterday and saved the new footage for Tuesday. No more sneak peaks, plz.

I guess one good thing out of this is Sony isn't rushing RAD to release it this year.

Lol, you still think it's been delayed? Do you have proof? Please, don't use insiders as proof.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

White Chapel might be well known for Jack the Ripper, but that whole area of London was a complete shit hole in that period. Presumably in their world things are even worse because of the monsters, and it's inspiring a revolution. Seems odd the idea we'd be playing people who are oppressing that.

Look at it this way: it'll be a good way to present ethical dilemmas to the player

 

[Ingueferroque]

Why the hell is everyone talking about Quantum Break in a The Order thread? Can we just keep console wars out of this?

 

[Wishmaster92]

Lol this is great, i guess they didn't see my previous comparisons.

The Order running on a supercomputer confirmed.