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Sniper Elite 3 Digital Foundry Face-Off
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Neuromancer
Member
It's fantastic and it feels pretty long to me, I've been playing it for almost a week now and still haven't finished it. Levels are huge and open, and you can tackle most objectives in any order and from any possible direction.
NullPointer
Member
Its so fucking good.
It just has its fair share of open world jank and could use a patch.
Something with a 260x or 750 ti would be nice and more comparable to consoles, and could fit into a $500 budget ($400 if cutting corners). I asked them last week if they'd try something sometime with a medium-spec PC like that, and they seemed a bit interested (or at least whoever was responding to Youtube private messages).
Then it's a badly written article, because on one side it says:
"The PS4 game holds up rather well in approaching a 60fps set-up while featuring almost identical graphical quality to the PC game running with ultra settings enabled."
But on the other it says (Like I quoted before)
"Alternatively, if you can run in 1080p with 4x SSAA at a consistently smooth frame-rate, this opens up the possibility of gaming natively in 4K using the ultra preset (with super-sampling disabled) - a stunning experience that goes far beyond what the PS4 or Xbox One versions can muster."
A stunning experience that goes far beyond the competition doesn't sound like "Almost identical" to me.
Either way, even a non-PC gamer should be able to admit that 1080p compared to 4k with or without SSAA is not a near identical experience.
Yea, i hope for XB1's fans that games in the furure won't compromise important things such as V-sync, AA, effects , fps and such in order to get to "parity" so the marketing department can declare it runs at 1080P like the PS4, the sooner they get over it the better the XB1 versions will be.lol
Also "Lazy Devs" again? Yep, that's the problem. The developers.
The sooner 1080p parity is dismissed for the XBone the better. Everyone buying the XBone knows the PS4 version of multiplayers will be superior, yet they've happily purchased their console of choice so we need to get over this resolution stuff - devs included. Make the best game they can make for each hardware. 1080 is nice, sure, but 900p with no tearing is surely the better option.
They can actually make the gap seems worse just so they can say "parity", that would be sad but this is the industry at the moment- everything technical dumbed down to resolution and fps without any regard to other aspects that can be much more important.
While my statement wasn't necessarily directed at your question I will say it doesn't matter if the game uses the June SDK or not. 10% is a relatively insignificant amount that isn't going to drastically improve the performance of this game or any game on the Xbone.
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Presumably if the snap feature was apart of that 10% reserve any game that makes use of the June SDK wouldn't allow you to snap while playing it. Could be a way to test it.
Say what? No. That's not a thing. Snapping apps is unaffected by June SDK. Snapping achievements is a big feature of the July update.
The June SDK only has to do with Kinect's memory resources being allowed to be allocated with whatever the dev wants.
Where specifically did you read otherwise?
I didn't read it anywhere. It was an assumption based on the fact that snapping would require some of GPU resources to work.
No doubt it does.
To the original point though, if this game did not use the June SDK, and if freeing up Kinect resources provides a 10% boost: insignificant or not given that the game is running at 1080p already it stands to reason that 10% could be used to improve performance, reduce the screen tearing, or bump up the IQ.
That's why I'm curious to find out if this game used the June SDK or not.
If IS using the June SDK than it is a good test case of what we can expect going forward in multiplatform games. 1080p with reduced textures/performance/ IQ vs. PS4.
"Lazy devs" are back again! Haha.
Should just get the game on PC and be done with it tbh. I know a lot of XB1 defenders on GAF like to paint themselves as PC gamers first and foremost when XB1's technical inferiority comes into focus (Or so it appears in my time here), so maybe follow through with that self labelling and forget settling for gimped console versions and having to make backhanded excuses for them?
I honestly couldn't imagine playing this on console personally, but that's me.
Should just get the game on PC and be done with it tbh. I know a lot of XB1 defenders on GAF like to paint themselves as PC gamers first and foremost when XB1's technical inferiority comes into focus (Or so it appears in my time here), so maybe follow through with that self labelling and forget settling for gimped console versions and having to make backhanded excuses for them?
I honestly couldn't imagine playing this on console personally, but that's me.
funkystudent
Member
Is this game Cryengine?
Orochinagis
Member
I am playing this game on the ps4 but sometimes the enemies talks in other languages, is this normal?
And even a PC gamer should be able to admit that the first quote is clearly in regards to the other graphical settings at native 1080p, which is what a majority of PC gamers will be playing the game at.
Neuromancer
Member
Yes, there are german and italian troops in various spots.
JonathanPower
Member
I was talking about the IQ. From op:
"PS4 almost matches PC IQ, running at ultra settings."
Neuromancer
Member
Are you still stymied by that mission you can't pass since you have to tag someone but you have tagging set to off? I don't understand how that one got past QA.
NullPointer
Member
Yep. Still waiting on a patch for that one so no forward progress for me until that happens.
I just can't play with the tactical assists on and Authentic seems like masochism to me. No saves? With those ginormous levels? No thanks. Takes me hours upon hours to get through a single mission as it is.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Two inches from the screen to appreciate anisotropic filtering, lack of tearing and better ambient occlusion.
These things all stand out a lot.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Love me some HD Calvin.
This is kind of what Edge said this month; Xbone has the potential to strike a better balance between resolution and framerate than PS4 is PS4 keeps trying for 1080p or bust.
More than likely it's that yeah even if it's not 100% clear. Either way, just because not everyone will have the premium PC experience, doesn't mean we should put our heads in the sand and claim its virtually identical on both systems.
At downgraded settings yes, the PS4 almost matches PC IQ.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
This screen shows the tessellation difference on the sandbags quite well.
MrPressStart
Member
How good is the 3D for this game on PS4? I have not heard much about that particular feature.
Chobel
Member
Two inches from the screen to appreciate anisotropic filtering, lack of tearing and better ambient occlusion.
In XBO screenshots, it looks like they're using a different texture for rocks.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
PlumCantaloupe
Member
Two inches from the screen to appreciate anisotropic filtering, lack of tearing and better ambient occlusion.
These things all stand out a lot.
Ouch, I wonder how much this effects less knowing game-players. Personally knowing that all third-party games are going to be gimped makes it really hard to ever consider the XB1 (
that and I really want to play ZOE HD - hopefully on PS4 somehow - and LoU Remastered someday
Neuromancer
Member
Fantastic during levels that take place in daylight, but it doesn't look as good for night scenes. Kind of like how movies that are real dark don't look great in 3D.
I was referring to wolfenstein.Two inches from the screen to appreciate anisotropic filtering, lack of tearing and better ambient occlusion.
These things all stand out a lot.
When we talk about parity between a console and a PC, we should assume fx features. Of course PC's would probably be able to do multi monitor, 4K, 1000x anti alias and 48gigabit anisotropic filtering, at 235 hz.
So it's a good thing to have graphical effects that are similar to those on PC, at full-hd res and at high framerates.
So it's a good thing to have graphical effects that are similar to those on PC, at full-hd res and at high framerates.
Lol, These threads always turn into breeding grounds of warriors and hyperbole.
I dont understand why people still feel the need for the school yard mickey taking
For example: but but DX12 will save the X1 version, lol.
It is known the PS4 is more powerful hence why the mickey taking is so transparent.
I dont understand why people still feel the need for the school yard mickey taking
For example: but but DX12 will save the X1 version, lol.
It is known the PS4 is more powerful hence why the mickey taking is so transparent.
I've never heard this expression before.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=taking+the+mickey
''taking the Micheal'' means the same thing aswell,
Love me some HD Calvin.
This is kind of what Edge said this month; Xbone has the potential to strike a better balance between resolution and framerate than PS4 is PS4 keeps trying for 1080p or bust.
Uhm, wat?
garbagejuicer
Neo Member
Had a nice off the ground up the butt kill the other night: http://xboxclips.com/video.php?uid=2732317809664768&gamertag=GARBAGE%20JUICER&vid=f41c74a0-bddc-41e8-8fbb-b7f7e9b99328
Neuromancer
Member
simplythebest
Banned
I never understood the tearing thing and what's so bad about it, but now... oh god :/
I never imagined that much of a difference
NullPointer
Member
HEADSHOT
*RIMSHOT*
Or should it be the other way around?
I've gotten exactly one ricochet kill, but several of those rimshot headshots, mostly from disabling shots where I'm already prone.. Its fucked up and wrong but satisfying all the same.
garbagejuicer
Neo Member
Yeah I liked that it said Headshot, indicating the bullet traveled all the way up the dudes body and exploded out the top of his head. I don't say Xbox Record that very often- but this was a moment I had to save.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Did you read the post I was replying to?
I'm not interested in that at all.
I'm simply looking for evidence of the first multiplatform game that uses XOne's June SDK.
To my knowledge we haven't had one yet. I'm curious to see how thr Xbox One performs vs. The PS4 without the Kinect anchor holding it back.
At this rate, it looks like Destiny will be the first game that we can make the comparison on, unless Sniper Elite was developed with the June SDK.
WeAreStarStuff
Member
Game really does look impressive on PS4; I'm quite pleased that they managed to basically match PC Ultra settings.
condompickle
Banned
I may pick this up now just for seeing that video.
look at the current gen fall games
such as Evolve, COD:Advanced, Assassins : unity, batman
I dont know if SE3 used the hune SDK update, I doubt they had time to implement it.
AT the moment as far as I know the PS4 Version has an approx average of 48fps + V SYNC + better textures and overall better graphic preset (the same as ultra on PC). The X1 version has locked 30fps with v sync and worse textures.
If 10-12% kinect resources and the improved tools (which may also increase performance?) gave a total of say a max figure of 20% more performance in the june update, I dont think that extra 20% would bring SE3 to PS4 level, it maybe improve the textures to PS4 level and increase the FPS by about 5.
I dont know I could be wrong, but it think its pretty obvious that if you want the console with the best looking and performing multiplats the PS4 is the console for you, its like the 360 of last gen.
lyrick
Member
The actual article also mentions that the PC version utilizes Tessellation that appears to be totally absent from both Console versions.
I'm not disagreeing with you about the power disparity, I just want to know. All my friends are on Xbox One. We're invested in the ecosystem.
My PS4 gets little play time because well...no one I know personally has one but me.
Anyway I want to know sooner rather than later how much the June SDK will help (or not help) the Xbox One.
Oh one more thing, it turns out the textures in SEIII are the same on both consoles according to the devs in an update to the original DF story.
Null, care to elaborate some? I'm about to pull the trigger.
lyrick
Member
Funny, When I read the article I saw things like:
"In Sniper Elite 3 the quality of certain effects and assets vary between consoles and the PC."
"On PC, tessellation is used to smooth over blocky edges and give various objects a fuller look to them, but the effect is entirely absent from the console games."
I also read that the PS4 uses a lower level of anisotropic filtering "that mildly impacts distant texture sharpness"
This is on top of all the super sampling options.