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Digital Foundry: Hands-on with DriveClub (second tech preview)
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If they wanted to make an open world 60 fps game with reduced graphical quality they could have easily targeted it. In my case it gets a pass because that is what a developer visioned and designed the game around 30 fps with well detailed glorious countryside. You give it a pass because it is an MS game.
Agreed. That is until Uncharted 4 lol. Though you never know with the latter, what with being 60fps and all.
ninjablade
Banned
I gave it a lot of flak before for looking like shite, but this very well could be the best looking racer of all time (until GT7 comes out that is
).I also expect MLB The Show to take a big step up in graphics..even though it looks amazing already.
Sony San Diego's first run at the PS3 looked like this...
MLB07
then MLB 08
I also expect MLB The Show to take a big step up in graphics..even though it looks amazing already.
Sony San Diego's first run at the PS3 looked like this...
MLB07
then MLB 08
Not sure how well optimised and mature the tools are at this point, nor how much compute/GPGPU they're using at present either, but I can't wait to see what the future holds.
I think so. By a good margin actually.
Oh I agree as well...just look at how even Madden improved in its second year...The Show will def improve a ton on PS4...
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
serversurfer
Member
Do you happen to have a link for that?The GPU certainly. I'm more referring to a comment from the makers of The Tomorrow Children saying that Cerny and specifically asked them to take a bash at the multi-threading capabilities.
I'm genuinely curious as to whether they're maxing out the GPGPU's capabilities in that regard or whether it's the first step to some rather mindblowing graphics.
I'm sure someone will be able to tell us what they're using.
Oh, nice. I'd missed the framerate setup. Thanks! <3
scoobs
Member
And to think, this is a "first year PS4 title" lol....that alone blows my mind!!
Oh and yes that delay most definitely paid off and im so glad they did that to achieve what we will have in a few short months from now.
Gosh this game is so beautiful and to hear it plays a lot like a PGR game makes me super stoked!!
This is definitely the best looking game to date as far as racers go.
travisbickle
Member
so you quoted my post to tell me that: draw distances on a closed cirquit + ps4 uber bandwidth = open road?
lol, better check your math again, something's iffy right there
about b) damage modeling, if I remember well I think that as cars get damaged in rivals, you see a clear separation of various body parts. like your hood really gets malformed, and you can see it hanging from the hinges but not really fitting to the rest of the car. also vibrates differently from the rest of the car.
and cars are modeled top to bottom, and not just black generic bottom texture, damage physics are pretty good even if handling is very arcade. you can rip the car apart, do great car collisions involving even somersaults and collisions happening entirely on air. game handles the collisions pretty well. I could go on, I could even fire up the game and remember even more details, but I think I wrote enough to make my point.
about the rest that you write, about game balancing etc, you are going out of the subject, but let me tell you this: it is not uncommon that police pursuit vehicles are heavier than their oem alikes. many times they are fitted with special equipment and special reinforcements, exactly to help them on that role, while offering protection for both the driver and the citizens. and so, when you add so much weight in a pursuit car (which also accounts for worse handling) it is also not uncommon to boost the engine performance too, to partially offset the weight disability, and also to be more efficient in their role as interceptors.
now, nfs, I dont think it really tried to emulate that, but maybe its good that you know that police cars being heavier and with more horsepower than their oem models, is not exactly science fiction..
Unfortunate that from a sampling point of view, high-quality DC images still don't look too great. Some degree of jaggies even on things other than power lines, grainy motion blur...
Hopefully that improves by launch, though I guess there's a price to otherwise looking incredible and maintaining a locked framerate.
If you can't tell, I despise most of the implementations of SSR that I've seen. (I'm not sure which one I dislike more, KZSF's or Destiny's.)
Hopefully that improves by launch, though I guess there's a price to otherwise looking incredible and maintaining a locked framerate.
By what standard? ISS uses both (simplified) planar reflections and screen-space reflections. The implementation for the latter is actually one of the better-looking that I've seen IMO. It's conservative and the blending has soft edges, and it's used alongside other reflection types in a very natural-looking way, more to provide real-time information about the "gist" of the current scene than as a (horrifically artifact-laden) clear mirror.
If you can't tell, I despise most of the implementations of SSR that I've seen. (I'm not sure which one I dislike more, KZSF's or Destiny's.)
lukeskymac
Member
so you quoted my post to tell me that: draw distances on a closed cirquit + ps4 uber bandwidth = open road?
lol, better check your math again, something's iffy right there
What does it matter if the circuit is closed when the map is gigantic?
All I'm saying is that with only some cuts to minor systems (some of the stuff Evo claims it's simulating is really close to unperceptible) they could have an "open" world much like the one in Rivals.
I played the game. I completed the racer campaign (the police one was too boring and easily exploitable so I quit it). All the damage is always exactly the same. It may be better than DC's but it's not impressive at all, especially when the game revolves around physical contact of the cars almost as much as the actual racing.
I didn't complain that it was unrealistic (you'd think the EMPs would be a much more glaring sign of sci-fi), rather that this racer/cop duality "ruined" some cars because they are mutually exclusive and thus you can't race with some police-only cars without the big speed boosts and handling nerfs. All they needed to do was have every car for both sides but keep the variants for the cops.
simple, its not open road. fullstop.
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so if its not impressive at all, but still better than dc's, what does that make dc' damage? just asking..
also, name me another console game with licensed vehicles and better damage please.
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again, game balance is not what we are discussing here, and while I'm able to discuss for nfs, I really have no clue at all about dc's balance. BUT, if you really feel that cops and racers gameplay us unbalanced for you, you can still do the time trials ommiting the entire part of cops and chases. and if I'm not mistaken, a large part of dc is exactly such kinds of challenges. also nice to mention that other than scifi upgrades for cops, game also offers upgrades in categories like handling, acceleration, top speed etc.
for me nfs has not much depth besides finishing the career and taking a few rides in the glacy mountains and forest areas. its not a game I care to perfect my performance on. it has its flaws and I can see theough it like matrix. many people can. Yet, I like to think that I am fair against all games, and eventhough rivals is not the best game ever, it does some nice things -eventhough you seem to not see them.
lukeskymac
Member
And they could have made it if they wanted. Thanks for missing the point.
Again, missing the point. Rivals needs decent damage because half its gameplay revolves around it. DC doesn't.
Whether there are better ones or not doesn't change the fact that it's not impressive.
BTW, that's an easy one: Project Cars.
Jesus Christ man, if that was the issue I could just keep doing random races in racer mode.
The problem is that this separation of racer/cop means I will never face a Veyron or a Venom GT in a standard race, only in pursuits. And that's stupid because it could easily be avoided.
You make it sound like I dislike the game. I don't. Like you said, I see it as it is: a fun game but of inferior "pedigree" compared to the likes of DC/FH
So, a slideshow is Ok as long as it's an open-world slideshow? Check.
PeregrinSe7en
Member
seriously? is this a joke?
didnt you hear by now?
they're putting gameplay
behind the box in the bottom right corner of the physical disc version
as for the digital edition, the gameplay comes
via a patch at an undetermined later date (season pass)
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
The tech in this game is the most impressive out there,
It definitely beats out Forza and Project Cars IMO.
It definitely beats out Forza and Project Cars IMO.
Needs more elaboration, otherwise we just utter the term "open-world" with finality and then people are obligated to assume double the workload or something.
What would be additional workload of open-world racer? Both racers have to stream level assets dynamically in anyways. I assume free-roaming means they may stream more level assets for buffer in case someone drives off the expected path. What else?
serversurfer
Member
Being open world doesn't limit frame rates. It limits asset quality. You can't load the models and textures used in the next area in time if they're too large. "In time" will largely be determined by how fast the player is able to travel.
Reduced asset quality should lighten the load on the GPU and allow higher framerates, if anything, I would imagine.
Reduced asset quality should lighten the load on the GPU and allow higher framerates, if anything, I would imagine.
Coolbgdog12
Member
Yea, color me unimpressed. 60fps or death.
You see those mountains over there?? You can't drive over there?
Horizon 2 gets a pass though, there is more than one area to explore per plan....err track.
You see those mountains over there?? You can't drive over there?
Horizon 2 gets a pass though, there is more than one area to explore per plan....err track.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Pretty sure he was attempting to troll, but yeah, we need less of that here too.
Love reading the stuff they are doing with Driveclub. It's arcade-ish right? Which is great.
The last driving game I REALLY loved was Ridge Racer Type 4. Seems like arcade racers are more my kind of thing. Can't wait for this.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
HaHAHAHhahahahahaha oh yes. Sounds like him. lol
I'm with you on this! R4 was amazing, I've never been sucked into a racing game like that one. I loved everything about the game... the ost... controls, menus, everything. Namco nailed on that game. I still remember everything as if I had played it yesterday
simplythebest
Banned
Just tell us already
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Probably MisterXmedia.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Agreed! He looked fantastic up close!
Saberus
Member
I believe a lot of the mountains in the background you will eventually get there.
Oh.. Bye..
Physics calculations take up marginal resources. This is a big myth started by PC sim racers to diminish console games. You still hear comments even by people like Darwin of ISR saying things like "might have to scale back the physics for console" etc. The truth is that the calculations are so light weight that they run them much faster than the actual frame rate just because they can. GT5 was running its physics 1000 times a second for example. You could triple GT5's physics calculations and still have a high frequency physics model that can very easily run on console.
I know myself from playing around with Unity that I could add as many AI cars as I wanted and I could not impact on frame rate (provided I didn't draw them nor ran their AI calculations). Your simulation can be as realistic as you like and its not going to handicap the graphics (obviously to a certain extent).
Also: " whether it comes from being an early gen PS4 title or the fact there isn't enough grunt". These two are the same thing. Why do you think early titles are less pretty? Do you think devs just leave the chips idle so they can make the graphics of early games worse? More 'grunt' is unlocked by finding more efficient techniques as coders get more experienced with the hardware. As the metro last light devs have recently said, consoles enjoy a 2X performance advantage over PCs because of the static nature of the hardware and closer to the metal APIs. You will see games like DC absolutely blown away graphically on PS4 in a few years when the devs learn more tricks to pull on the hardware. So this grunt you talk about is there right now, I am sure DC could ran at 60fps if it were in development at the end of the PS4 life cycle rather than the start.
Americanmushroom
Banned
People asking for open world in a racing game really saddens me . 'Open world' really needs to die in racing games. Just have a sleek cool looking menu instead of making me drive for nothing untill i find a race.
. 'Open world' really needs to die in racing games. Just have a sleek cool looking menu instead of making me drive for nothing untill i find a race.qa_engineer
Member
People asking for open world in a racing game really saddens me
Yeah it makes no sense to me. Lets drive this Lamborghini off road, through some bushes and off a cliff to find a race. If it were off road vehicles like the other open world racing game then cool, but not when its sports cars and exotics.
down 2 orth
Member
well, according to the style you are thinking, they could have made it not only open road, but open world as well as 60hz too. hell, they could have made tuning too, physical upgrades and livery editors, right?
only problem is -you know- they didnt!
now, if you are going to continue saying stuff like that, I wont be bothering to reply.
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oh, great! an unreleased yet game, does it better than a day1 game.
or you say it does.
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well, the team that made rivals was a team made by criterion and a bunch of other guys too.
i'm not very sure where are you going with this "pedigree" thing of yours... you might have to rethink.
plus, nfs as a franchise has a lot more "pedigree" than whatever you are mixing your thoughts in.
Night Angel
Member
I may be a bit drunk, but I feel like we've entirely gone off topic, here. What's the point of your posts, again? Is this a pissing contest between DC and some other game, or are you just doing your damndest to put the game down?
Graphically, NFS is not even in the same league as this game, though I'm not sure why that would bear mentioning in this thread in the first place. And with the methods they are using for rendering (you know, streaming), the open world discussion also doesn't have much merit (seeing as the main difference for DC would seem to be in the designing and modeling of all of the extra content rather than the rendering). And besides, most open world racers end up being you driving great distances to reach interesting tracks that really aren't that interesting (I prefer well designed closed-circuit racers any day, thanks), so I'm still not sure why it's being brought up. Really, I'm just trying to figure out what you're trying to accomplish here.
:I apologize in advance for any typos:
De-mon
Member
WHAT
They said it was limited to pre-designed liveries because it's an E rated title, they changed their minds?? Holy shit
From Rushy:
you can easily read a few posts back, and see what I am replying to. that is if you are interested.
travisbickle
Member
You're allowed to enjoy the game as long as you understand all it's technical advancements are not ones that make the game objectively better. It's his same opinion as the PS4 vs. the XB1.
I find it awesome that you defend crushed blacks on the XB1 and then come here and make a drive-by troll on this game. Keep it up and also why are you back?
Why? Looking at the pretty graphics will wear off pretty fast. So why buy a racing game if you're not into it?
Summer Haze
Banned
I've heard that it plays like a slightly heavier PGR. Which sounds fucking awesome to me
Miles Quaritch
Member
Damage is softly creep.
What does that even mean?
What does that even mean?
SolidSnakex
Member
That expensive setup and he's using a DFGT.