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[AlphaDragoon]

It seems that because people haven't really been able to get proper spacing for Marth's tippers. It's also not clear if Marth's tippers are even significantly better than Lucina's regular hits.

Somebody on Smashboards was testing Marth vs. Lucina and found that basically, Lucina is user-friendly and rushdown-based due to her whole sword hitting the same...but Marth has the power. A LOT more power. If you tipper with his attacks they wreck people a lot harder than anything Lucina can do it would seem.

F-Smash he can drop people at like 60%, as opposed to Lucina's 80-90%. His Dancing Blade appears to be better also as the fourth hit on the up swing (IIRC) always hits with the tip giving Marth's version much more power.

Of course, people may discover stuff with Lucina that makes her better, but at the moment it seems like if you're good enough to tipper, you're gimping yourself by not playing Marth.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Any truth to this?

No because Wario is a fat piece of shit and there's nothing 'fit' about him.

banana birds were fucking terrifying

 

[NeonZ]

I think Lucina might have a chance for the next Smash, because I really think the next Fire Emblem will be a sequel to Awakening that takes place in the kids' timeline, with Lucina as the main Lord. That seems like an obvious choice for IS.

Do you mean a prequel? I really don't think they'd do something like that because it'd mean phasing out tons of features that made Awakening popular. I think Awakening's own popularity pretty much forces them to go with a new cast next game if they want to keep several of the game's features in place (marriage and generation system, avatar creation). I think the cast is easily more throw away than the gameplay features in Awakening's case. And they can always sell the most popular cast members as DLC extras in the next game anyway.

 

[Rizific]

after playing the demo and watching this clash stream, all doubts about this game playing well on the 3ds have been thrown out the window. man, so hyped about this coming out and eventually on the wiiu. shame that i moved to a different city and all my smash friends are back home =/

 

[theprodigy]

Wait for the Wii U version

fine *walks away*

 

[Cow Mengde]

Eh, it's okay. Together We Ride better be the other track that plays on Arena Ferox.

Together We Ride is a track for recruiting characters. I find a track from the final battle more fitting.

BTW, is the soundtrack a huge collaboration from many Japanese composers again?

 

[tirkaroKujo]

Any truth to this?

Pffft
if this guy had any real experience with smash datamining/hacking, they'd know that there's no such thing as "fiticeclimber"

Popo and Nana are always listed separately in the files.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

I'm not sure how that goes against what I said, she hasn't had any big roles since before the very first Smash Bros. was released.

Also I'm pretty sure the 3rd DKC didn't do too well either, being released late in the SNES' lifespan, and wasn't remembered as fondly as the other two. I mean, I LOVE DKC3, but I doubt anyone would want a team of Dixie and Kiddy in Smash Bros. Most people are way more fond of the Diddy x Dixie duo.

 

[ruddiger7]

MOTHER 3 is the better game.

I disagree

 

[Beelzebufo]

No Olimar impressions?

I think it's cool that he punches people now.

 

[PKGaming]

Someone was good with Little Mac and I MISSED IT!?

 

[theprodigy]

Someone was good with Little Mac and I MISSED IT!?

PK Gaming clones lol

 

[deadcelledo]

I'm still deciding with either going physical or digital :/ help gaf?

 

[ArchedThunder]

I think that's fake...

Look at the second fitdedede, you can see the typing cursor after it, as the person likely typed that out and took a picture.

Or they had just clicked there...

 

[Glass Rebel]

People on the stream did say she was faster...

It seems that because people haven't really been able to get proper spacing for Marth's tippers. It's also not clear if Marth's tippers are even significantly better than Lucina's regular hits.

Interesting. I thought the changes to Marth's moveset applied to Lucina as well. If Marth's nerfs make him inferior to her, that would be rather ridiculous. The buffs to Shield Breaker and Counter hardly make up for it.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Do you mean a prequel? I really don't think they'd do something like that because it'd mean phasing out tons of features that made Awakening popular. I think Awakening's own popularity pretty much forces them to go with a new cast next game if they want to keep the game's features in place (marriage and generation system, avatar, DLC). I think the cast is easily more throw away than the gameplay features in Awakening's case. And they can always sell the cast as DLC extras anyway.

No, a sequel.

As in it'd take place when Lucina and the other Awakening "children" are adults, and they'd introduce the 3rd Generation of Awakening. That seems like they'd do it.

They'd probably have a feature where you could link the data of the 1st Awakening and make it so the characters have the hair color of the parents you selected in Awakening, and a "canon color" for newcomers who didn't play the original.

 

[Kandinsky]

God I LOVE the sound effect they gave Mario's side smash when charging it, idk why, but i just love it.

 

[BY2K]

I still believe.

 

[Kinsei]

Together We Ride is a track for recruiting characters. I find a track from the final battle more fitting.

BTW, is the soundtrack a huge collaboration from many Japanese composers again?

Together We Ride is such a good battle song though. It really gets you pumped up.

I had no clue Id~Purpose was the final battle theme of Awakening. I gave up on that game before finishing it.

Yes, there are a ton of composers working on this game just like Brawl.

 

[Vashzaron]

wait, I thought Lucina was practically Marth aside from how damage is distributed on the blade. How can she be that much better than him?

Spoiler

not that I mind :3

While I see not having to focus on tippers being a plus in one way, it's lower damage and knockback than if you were playing Marth and managing to pull them off consistently enough.

I feel like Lucina will end up being better early on until people get used to the new Marth and how to space with him, etc.

People on the stream did say she was faster...

Placebo? There's people analyzing this stuff over on her smashboards section and there's nothing about her being faster.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Pffft
if this guy had any real experience with smash datamining/hacking, they'd know that there's no such thing as "fiticeclimber"

Popo and Nana are always listed separately in the files.

Oh, good point.

Also, pretty sure Giga Bowser has his own file "GKoopa", as does Wario Man, atleast they did in Brawl iirc.

I think "Chiko", Luma, would have his own file as well?

 

[Cow Mengde]

Someone was good with Little Mac and I MISSED IT!?

I played Little Mac in the demo (the Nintendo World demo), and he seems pretty good. I really liked how fast his punches are. I only played a few rounds as him though.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Pffft
if this guy had any real experience with smash datamining/hacking, they'd know that there's no such thing as "fiticeclimber"

Popo and Nana are always listed separately in the files.

It could have something to do with the fact that they aren't playable

 

[NeonZ]

Pffft
if this guy had any real experience with smash datamining/hacking, they'd know that there's no such thing as "fiticeclimber"

Popo and Nana are always listed separately in the files.

Dedede is listed twice and they mixed up the number of files on Ike's and Ice Climber's folder (Ike has as many as the cut characters). That pretty much shows that it's fake.

Still, if DLCs are sold in packs, I think there's a chance we could get a DLC Ice Climber, where their main unique feature is cut and they become just a standalone fighter, like how Charizard, Zelda and Sheik lost transformations but stayed in the game.

 

[Lyte Edge]

So uhh...how exactly does the fairy in the bottle work?

Pick it up and hold down A to reduce the amount of damage you've taken.

so is there any info on how the online has been working? the only info i've got on online speed is from kotaku and they said it was really laggy, which i don't believe at all...

Lag is to expected if you're an importer-- everyone is getting matched up with Japanese players. Would like to try against U.S. players but I still can't find a list of people who have the game here. I've asked but have gotten no answer...this thread moves too fast. I know about the Googledocs sheet someone posted but it's all over the place in terms of regions.

 

[ffdgh]

Probably old, but speaking of fanfiction

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10615955/13/SmashGaf-The-Journey-of-15-Months

Brawl link and mario....why are your standard combos so slow? Also never noticed Pika's melee and brawl down smash were the exact same animation.

 

[georly]

Oh, good point.

Also, pretty sure Giga Bowser has his own file "GKoopa", as does Wario Man, atleast they did in Brawl iirc.

Yeah, i'd assume all of the transformations would, but who knows. Giga mac, giga bowser, mega charizard, mega lucario, etc.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I'm not sure how that goes against what I said, she hasn't had any big roles since before the very first Smash Bros. was released.

Also I'm pretty sure the 3rd DKC didn't do too well either, being released late in the SNES' lifespan, and wasn't remembered as fondly as the other two. I mean, I LOVE DKC3, but I doubt anyone would want a team of Dixie and Kiddy in Smash Bros. Most people are way more fond of the Diddy x Dixie duo.

Diddy like Dixie was basically living off appearances in Mario spin-off games and Konga post-Melee since Jungle Beat was a DK-only affair, yet he still got into Brawl pretty easily.

Since Dixie's normally the Kong Nintendo falls back on after DK and Diddy in Mario sports games and Returns made the series 'relevant' again, I think even though she was absent from that game Sakurai would pick her over Cranky or K. Rool for a third DK rep.

 

[Kinsei]

So uhh...how exactly does the fairy in the bottle work?

Pick it up if your percentage is at 100% or higher. If you have less than 100% it won't do anything.

 

[Violet_0]

Someone was good with Little Mac and I MISSED IT!?

well, for one match anyway

 

[Green Mamba]

Sheik is misspelled in that picture.

I'm not sure how that goes against what I said, she hasn't had any big roles since before the very first Smash Bros. was released.

Also I'm pretty sure the 3rd DKC didn't do too well either, being released late in the SNES' lifespan, and wasn't remembered as fondly as the other two.

It didn't do as well as the other DKCs but it still did pretty well for itself selling over a million copies in Japan alone. Many games represented with player characters in Smash wish they were that successful.

 

[Karsticles]

Pick it up and hold down A to reduce the amount of damage you've taken.



Lag is to expected if you're an importer-- everyone is getting matched up with Japanese players. Would like to try against U.S. players but I still can't find a list of people who have the game here. I've asked but have gotten no answer...this thread moves too fast. I know about the Googledocs sheet someone posted but it's all over the place in terms of regions.

Maybe a few prominent US posters should connect. I would trust you and Anthony.

 

[PkunkFury]

Pffft
if this guy had any real experience with smash datamining/hacking, they'd know that there's no such thing as "fiticeclimber"

Popo and Nana are always listed separately in the files.

It's possible they considered implementing a single ice climber since the 3DS was making it difficult to include them as a pair

 

[Spinluck]

Go play Fire Emblem.

I have.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Diddy like Dixie was basically living off appearances in Mario spin-off games and Konga post-Melee since Jungle Beat was a DK-only affair, yet he still got into Brawl pretty easily.

Since Dixie's normally the Kong Nintendo falls back on after DK and Diddy in Mario sports games and Returns made the series 'relevant' again, I think even though she was absent from that game Sakurai would pick her over Cranky or K. Rool for a third DK rep.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I DEFINITELY think she's by far the next DK Newcomer in line, I was just explaining why I think she really wasn't fit for Smash 4 this time around.

It didn't do as well as the other DKCs but it still did pretty well for itself selling over a million copies in Japan alone. Many games represented with player characters in Smash wish they were that successful.

Well, yeah, but the point was I just think Diddy and Dixie as a tag-team was the way most people remembered here until Tropical Freeze, and the Dixie and Kiddy duo is less popular and Kiddy's basically forgotten.

 

[Kriken]

I still believe.

Is that outside of Nintendo of Americo's HQ?

 

[jnWake]

Any truth to this?

Wii Fit Trainer really worked hard on the roster!

Spoiler

Everybody is fit.

Missing Ridley though. Stage boss confirmed!

Spoiler

I can't believe people make fake infodumps!

 

[EulaCapra]

Any truth to this?

The heck is this? Something immediately glared out to me though.......

Shiek/Sheik

 

[theprodigy]

Is that outside of Nintendo of Americo's HQ?

Never gonna live that tag down lol

 

[rekameohs]

That list is fake as fuck

 

[Timeaisis]

So an I alone in my Megaman love? I've only played the demo, but he's by far my favorite character in it. Dunno how he stacks up in the full game.

 

[PreyingShark]

Any truth to this?

While I don't know if it's true or not, that... thing... isn't Marshal god dammit. While they have a lot of similarities, Marshal has some differences that make him, well... cuter, as opposed to that monstrosity known as a Chorus Kid.

/RhythmHeavenNerdMode

 

[Seven Force]

It seems that because people haven't really been able to get proper spacing for Marth's tippers. It's also not clear if Marth's tippers are even significantly better than Lucina's regular hits.

It's more or less:

Tipped Marth attacks > Lucina's attacks > Untipped Marth attacks

On top of that, Marth seems to be a bit slower, whereas Lucina seems to be about as fast as Brawl Marth.

 

[Kinsei]

So an I alone in my Megaman love? I've only played the demo, but he's by far my favorite character in it. Dunno how he stacks up in the full game.

Nope. Mega Man is amazing. I've even figured out a use for his leaf shield! I'm doing the best I've ever done in a Smash game with him (3-0 against level 9 Mario in the demo).

 

[Vashzaron]

I still believe.

Needs another panel or 2 with a 3DS stand stealing a ton of the audience.

 

[Tan]

So an I alone in my Megaman love? I've only played the demo, but he's by far my favorite character in it. Dunno how he stacks up in the full game.

I think he's pretty bad but i like playing him the most out of the demo. I'm cursed when it comes to character selection.

 

[NeonZ]

No, a sequel.

As in it'd take place when Lucina and the other Awakening "children" are adults, and they'd introduce the 3rd Generation of Awakening. That seems like they'd do it.

They'd probably have a feature where you could link the data of the 1st Awakening and make it so the characters have the hair color of the parents you selected in Awakening, and a "canon color" for newcomers who didn't play the original.

Oh, ok, that makes sense. The children actually already have default hair colors too (in official art and also appear by default if their mothers don't have pairings in the future DLC).

 

[Spinluck]

Man dodge rolling is so damn safe in this game.

Air dodging and rolling is so spammable.

Thank god for the landing lag on air dodges though.

 

[NA48]

Nope. Mega Man is amazing. I've even figured out a use for his leaf shield! I'm doing the best I've ever done in a Smash game with him (3-0 against level 9 Mario in the demo).

What are you using the shield for? I have been playing with him, but I never use that move.

 

[Ryce]

Japanese devs wouldn't use "Koopalings" and "Zapper" as internal references. Those are both localized names.