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[Kabuki Waq]

Sure, why the fuck wouldn't I?


Do you guys really think devs make the game run at a lower resolution on purpose? If 720p is the better that they could achieve then that's the better that they could achieve within their budget and time limitations, they're are not limiting resolution "just cause".



Newsflash bro: game development is not a magical wonderland where you can work and produce without any kind of restrictions or limitations or budget.


You also can't make a game magically run on a calculator at 220 fps and 3600p just because you want to. That's not how it works, and the "no excuses" statement is idiotic at best.

No idiotic would be to release games below established standards of the competition and expect not be be called out on it.

Like i said by your logic no game would ever be criticized because they come in with a built in excuse for budget and engine.

Do you work for bethesda?

 

[Lynn616]

The X1 is clearly powerful enough to run this game at higher than 720p. Not sure why the dev didn't get it there.

 

[jem0208]

What's with all the comparisons of games and resolutions on the X1?



I don't think anyone is denying there is a gap (and if they are they're idiots) however the problem here is that the gap is unreasonably large. Far larger than it is with most games.

 

[killatopak]

A 720p sports game on a new gaming console in 2014 is just pathetic. Sports games aren't demanding games. They are just an empty field simulator with a bunch of props chasing a ball. A cheap laptop with intel graphics can probably run this at 720p.

With everything set to low and fps<30

 

[Metalingus5150]

Wasn't it during the tech demo presentation of the fox engine where they talked about having big g-buffers or something? (I'm not an expert) perhaps that could be the cause.

 

[OsirisBlack]

it's clearly more an issue on the programming side than the hardware side.

Yes, but only with competent developers.

That was a launch title. We already know the gap will be much closer this time around.

Most AAA games are the same. Destiny, NBA, Wolfenstein, Alien Isolation, etc.

It wasn't intended to be. My point is that most AAA games will go for parity. This doesn't mean that they are intentionally gimping one system, but putting the extra effort to make sure everyone is happy.

Xbone: 1.31 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +300%

Place the blame where it needs to be placed.... at Microsofts feet for releasing a machine that was weaker than their competitors product.

Using Destiny,Wolfenstein,Alien Isolation and NBA games as examples is not going to help your argument as the developers of those games stated that they were in fact aiming for parity. Also to the part in bold... aiming for "Parity" is in fact intentionally gimping the PS4 version of games.

Also saying the gap is closing is laughable if you think this shit is bad now just wait until certain games drop. The games that dump the 360 and PS3 are going to be really telling.... Batman AK/Evolve and Unity will give us a good baseline but I think the Witcher III,GTAV and Phantom Pain releases are going to be brutal for the XB1 brand. If half the shit we have heard about the next Mass Effects visuals is true MS better whip out the wallet to avoid that fiasco ..... yea this gen wont last long at all. 3-4 years tops before MS jumps ship, book it.

 

[ProvenDeadly]

Here is the argument

If I'm not mistaken, EVERY other sports game runs at full 1080p on both systems. I know that NBA 2k 14 runs at 1080/60 on both, and is arguably the best looking game on either.

So why is PES so special when it looks average at best?

 

[dragonelite]

still don't get how this can't be 1080p/60fps on XB1, I just don't get it, PES isn't a technical masterpiece, it's average at best

I still dont get it how they didn't get the fox engine running at least at 900p maybe compromise some effects like simpler AO solutions or something like that. The increase from 720p too 900p is something you do notice.

 

[Recall]

I still enjoy PES 2 and that runs at what 240p? When has resolution ever affected a fun time? Not for I.

Framerate sure it has its affects but resolution? Yeah it is shit one version is "prettier" than the other but they would both still functionaly play the same right? Right?

 

[Kabuki Waq]

I thought PES was more technically advanced? Like full realtime lighting?

The vaseline filter ruins any sort of great lighting the game has imo.

It looks good in replays but otherwise....

 

[MUnited83]

No idiotic would be to release games below established standards of the competition and expect not be be called out on it.

Like i said by your logic no game would ever be criticized because they come in with a built in excuse for budget and engine.

Do you work for bethesda?

You can criticize all you want, you can't say that "there's no excuses" when there are.


You guys are basically saying that only reason that this is not 720p is because "lazy devs lol"".

 

[RyudBoy]

Lol

MS should send their team to any developers who can't get over 720p.

 

[Plywood]

Xbone: 1.31 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +300%


It's only going to get worse with games that have demanding engines and are open world.

I want to see what differences games like

AC Unity
Arkham Night
The Witcher 3
MGS TPP

And other games that are pushing graphic effects have between the consoles. Shadow Of Mordor is supposedly below 1080p on XB1.

Doesn't get any clearer than this.
#thegapishuge

I'm imagining the scene in Amazing Spiderman 2 where Electro's teeth gap closes, but in reverse.

 

[ProvenDeadly]

Place the blame where it needs to be placed.... at Microsofts feet for releasing a machine that was weaker than their competitors product.

Using Destiny,Wolfenstein,Alien Isolation and NBA games as examples is not going to help your argument as the developers of those games stated that they were in fact aiming for parity. Also to the part in bold... aiming for "Parity" is in fact intentionally gimping the PS4 version of games.

Also saying the gap is closing is laughable if you think this shit is bad now just wait until certain games drop. The games that dump the 360 and PS3 are going to be really telling.... Batman AK/Evolve and Unity will give us a good baseline but I think the Witcher III,GTAV and Phantom Pain releases are going to be brutal for the XB1 brand. If half the shit we have heard about the next Mass Effects visuals is true MS better whip out the wallet to avoid that fiasco ..... yea this gen wont last long at all. 3-4 years before MS jumps ship tops, book it.

Lol.

How is a PS4 game that is 1080p gimped??

 

[Lion Heart]

Nice to know MS cheque books aren't in every devs pockets, nothing worse than forced parity. I lol'd at the lazy devs comments. This gen being a complete role reversal has really brought out the hypocrites and I'm glad. Where were you guys last gen with titles like Bayonetta and COD.

 

[BeforeU]

Here is the argument

If I'm not mistaken, EVERY other sports game runs at full 1080p on both systems. I know that NBA 2k 14 runs at 1080/60 on both, and is arguably the best looking game on either.

So why is PES so special when it looks average at best?

Apparently that's the question I have been asking, but everyone here is busy proving how powerful PS4 is compare to Xbox One.

 

[Mr Moose]

Here is the argument

If I'm not mistaken, EVERY other sports game runs at full 1080p on both systems. I know that NBA 2k 14 runs at 1080/60 on both, and is arguably the best looking game on either.

So why is PES so special when it looks average at best?

UFC game isn't 1080p.

 

[driver116]

Maybe they're just not exerting themselves with optimisation. When Microsoft grants special treatment to some 3rd party devs and not others, it might bite them in the bum.

 

[Cow Goes Moo]

Wow. Holy shit. XB fans don't deserve this.

???

deserve what? it's just a lower resolution

 

[family_guy]

apparently you could take out more from PS4 back at 2013, now with the newer SDKs things might have changed, actually XB1 cpu is faster than PS4's one

I hear this about Xbox One SDK improvements and sometimes it sounds like people think Sony's SDKs are just staying stagnant while MS keeps working on theirs.

 

[Xando]

Place the blame where it needs to be placed.... at Microsofts feet for releasing a machine that was weaker than their competitors product.

Using Destiny,Wolfenstein,Alien Isolation and NBA games as examples is not going to help your argument as the developers of those games stated that they were in fact aiming for parity. Also to the part in bold... aiming for "Parity" is in fact intentionally gimping the PS4 version of games.

Also saying the gap is closing is laughable if you think this shit is bad now just wait until certain games drop. The games that dump the 360 and PS3 are going to be really telling.... Batman AK/Evolve and Unity will give us a good baseline but I think the Witcher III,GTAV and Phantom Pain releases are going to be brutal for the XB1 brand. If half the shit we have heard about the next Mass Effects visuals is true MS better whip out the wallet to avoid that fiasco ..... yea this gen wont last long at all. 3-4 years before MS jumps ship tops, book it.

huh? what do you mean?

 

[Duxxy3]

Place the blame where it needs to be placed.... at Microsofts feet for releasing a machine that was weaker than their competitors product.

Using Destiny,Wolfenstein,Alien Isolation and NBA games as examples is not going to help your argument as the developers of those games stated that they were in fact aiming for parity. Also to the part in bold... aiming for "Parity" is in fact intentionally gimping the PS4 version of games.

Also saying the gap is closing is laughable if you think this shit is bad now just wait until certain games drop. The games that dump the 360 and PS3 are going to be really telling.... Batman AK/Evolve and Unity will give us a good baseline but I think the Witcher III,GTAV and Phantom Pain releases are going to be brutal for the XB1 brand. If half the shit we have heard about the next Mass Effects visuals is true MS better whip out the wallet to avoid that fiasco ..... yea this gen wont last long at all. 3-4 years before MS jumps ship tops, book it.

Microsoft definitely should get some of the blame, but 720p... nah, just a bad job by the developers. Spent no time optimizing the game for hardware that probably won't lead to many sales even with parity.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Just mailing in the X1 version lol.

 

[Percy]

Sounds like the Xbox One isn't up to running Fox engine games at 1080p/60fps.

Could be worse I guess... they could have gone sub-HD.

 

[ProvenDeadly]

Nice to know MS cheque books aren't in every devs pockets, nothing worse than forced parity. I lol'd at the lazy devs comments. This gen being a complete role reversal has really brought out the hypocrites and I'm glad. Where were you guys last gen with titles like Bayonetta and COD.

Please explain to me how putting extra effort into the xbox is bad? Making sure the xbox version is 1080p is bad for the playstation how??? I wasn't aware PS4 games can achieve higher than 1080p.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Tweet Adam Bhatti about it
https://twitter.com/Adam_Bhatti

He's the game's European community manager.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Quick look at the game's wikipedia page.

Let There Be Light: All in-game elements from players to crowd and stadium now benefit from a single source of lighting naturally bringing the game to life.

No pre-baked shit would explain it.

 

[intheinbetween]

I hear this about Xbox One SDK improvements and sometimes it sounds like people think Sony's SDKs are just staying stagnant while MS keeps working on theirs.

have you read or heard about a significant improvement in Sony's SDK? I haven't so I can't expand on that matter, while I've read many sources about MS improving, or just fixing, their initial SDK which was a mess.

 

[Rembrandt]

huh? what do you mean?

He's saying that the gap on those titles are going to be so huge MS is either going to have to pay the developers to gimp the PS4 copy or end the gen in 3 years.

 

[yuraya]

With everything set to low and fps<30

I doubt it would be low. Probably medium+

Here is PES 2014 (also ran on Fox engine) requirements on Steam page.

 

[Kezen]

Lol.

How is a PS4 game that is 1080p gimped??

It's gimped when it's a perfect match for the Xbox One, that has no reason to happen given the significant gap in terms of hardware.

 

[Portugeezer]

The gap is widening

 

[Insane Metal]

Seriously now. Is there any technical explanation as for why this engine runs like shit on the XBone?

 

[Xando]

have you read or heard about a significant improvement in Sony's SDK? I haven't so I can't expand on that matter, while I've read many sources about MS improving, or just fixing, their initial SDK which was a mess.

You know that these things arent usually things you brag about in public, right?

SDKs from both publisher probably get monthly/quarterly improvements.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Lol.

How is a PS4 game that is 1080p gimped??

what I said was "aiming for "Parity" is in fact intentionally gimping the PS4 version of games." .... I don't expect project cars to look as good on my XB1 as it would on my PS4 and I don't expect the PS4 version to look as good as it does on my PC. Parity is a dirty word and devs should remove it from their vocabularies.

 

[ProvenDeadly]

It's gimped when it's a perfect match for the Xbox One, that has no reason to happen given the significant gap in terms of hardware.

That doesn't make any sense. If a PS4 game runs at 1080/60, and so does the Xbox one, how is the PS4 version "gimped"? Are there any examples of Ps4 games achieving higher than 1080/60?

 

[SgtCobra]

huh? what do you mean?

He thinks the difference between the versions will be gigantic or something like that. I don't see it happening.

 

[intheinbetween]

It's gimped when it's a perfect match for the Xbox One, that has no reason to happen given the significant gap in terms of hardware.

lol, significant as in 1080p on PS4 and 720p on XB1? come on

 

[JetSetRadio]

The X1 is clearly powerful enough to run this game at higher than 720p. Not sure why the dev didn't get it there.

721p?

 

[Duxxy3]

That doesn't make any sense. If a PS4 game runs at 1080/60, and so does the Xbox one, how is the PS4 version "gimped"? Are there any examples of Ps4 games achieving higher than 1080/60?

I think some of the lego games are downsampled.

 

[onQ123]

That was a launch title. We already know the gap will be much closer this time around.

Most AAA games are the same. Destiny, NBA, Wolfenstein, Alien Isolation, etc.

Keep lying to yourself buddy.

 

[RandyBobandy]

FIFA 15 is 1080/60 on Xbox One, absolutely no excuse for this.

Seriously.

How can they not even achieve 900p?

 

[Lynn616]

Place the blame where it needs to be placed.... at Microsofts feet for releasing a machine that was weaker than their competitors product.

Using Destiny,Wolfenstein,Alien Isolation and NBA games as examples is not going to help your argument as the developers of those games stated that they were in fact aiming for parity. Also to the part in bold... aiming for "Parity" is in fact intentionally gimping the PS4 version of games.

Also saying the gap is closing is laughable if you think this shit is bad now just wait until certain games drop. The games that dump the 360 and PS3 are going to be really telling.... Batman AK/Evolve and Unity will give us a good baseline but I think the Witcher III,GTAV and Phantom Pain releases are going to be brutal for the XB1 brand. If half the shit we have heard about the next Mass Effects visuals is true MS better whip out the wallet to avoid that fiasco ..... yea this gen wont last long at all. 3-4 years tops before MS jumps ship, book it.

What? How did they gimp Destiny and the other games you mentioned?

 

[bombshell]

Lol.

How is a PS4 game that is 1080p gimped??

You can gimp a game in a lot of areas outside of simply resolution.

 

[ProvenDeadly]

Here is what I take from this thread:

We shouldn't look at Pro Evolution Soccer to decide the technical prowess of either system.

We know the Ps4 is more powerful, but when better looking games achieve 1080p on XB1, who is to blame?

 

[GameAddict411]

The x1 isn't as powerful as the ps4, but it seems they never bothered to try here.

i think this is accurate to some degree, the programs most likely said "egh, lets just forget about the eSRAM. its not even worth it". especially when playstation is the main seller of konami games.

 

[killatopak]

Lol.

How is a PS4 game that is 1080p gimped??

Exclude AA, lower texture resolution, Ambient Occlusion, Tessellation, filters, etc.

It may or may not be true but those are the things that can be gimped aside from resolution. They may do that to force parity with the two consoles.

I doubt it would be low. Probably medium+

Here is PES 2014 (also ran on Fox engine) requirements on Steam page.

That's with a dedicated video card though. Unlike the cheap Intel processor that the poster I replied to said. Not to mention on a laptop.

???

deserve what? it's just a lower resolution

It doesn't deserve having that resolution on this kind of game. This is a sports game. The game isn't supposed to be a resource hog when it's strictly on played on a rectangular field.

 

[Dictator93]

Given the way their renderer is set up, Foxegnine could be stuck @ 720p on XB1 for a long time. Even if their is technically more oomph in the GPU for a higher framerate/resolution.

ESRam just messes everything up.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Seriously.

How can they not even achieve 900p?

Dynamic lighting by the looks of it.

 

[Conduit]

Also this small addition on that :

Xbone: 13.65GPixels/s -88% less
Xbone: 40.90GTexels/s -40% less

PS4: 25.60GPixels/s +88%
PS4: 57.60GTexels/s +40%

MATH!? How does it work! We meet again brain destroying percent!!!

Yeah! It is so good. My head is also :