Doctor_Thomas
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Maybe it can't be fixed. FOX engine has been designed to be scalable, maybe that's where the scaling ends due to the hardware design.
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PES 2015 : 1080P 60 FPS on PS4 - 720P 60 FPS on X1
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Maybe it can't be fixed. FOX engine has been designed to be scalable, maybe that's where the scaling ends due to the hardware design.
neogaffer1
Banned
What?
I have the demo, i don't think it lools blurry at all, the players have some aliasing in the standard view tho. I also have the full version of Fifa 15 and PES looks better to me.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Fifa is king on xbox , PES sales come from playstation
Child of Light renders between 2304 and 2112x1440.
The Lego Movie renders at 1920x1280.
Lego The Hobbit renders at 1920x1280.
It didn't look blurry on ps4 to me at all, quite the opposite actually.
Kabuki Waq
Member
No post processing at all. Replays look much better than actual game. Actual game it has a weird blurry look. Also grass looks like those old zelda grass pics.
Psyrgery ES
Member
Kinda shocked they didn't even try 900p, I am sure the Xbone is perfectly capable of it.
Canis lupus
Member
Nothing has been said about the frame rate.
krypt0nian
Banned
FIFA is king on PS4 too. Maybe sales should always determine dev effort?
Okay, I'll rephrase it.
P.T. is 30fps, so if it were on XBO, it's unlikely it would be 720p.
Zombie James
Banned
Did a developer (or someone else working on the game) confirm 900p just a little while ago?
Maintenance
Member
Wow, this thread blew up fast, and this info has been known on the PES topic for a while, I think.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
A multiplatform engine with multiple gens taken into consideration. Supposedly futureproof as well as backwards compatible.
If they can reach 1080p on PS4 and 720p on XB1 nd it's the same for two games, maybe that's all the engine can achieve with those hardware configurations.
I'm sure Konami forgot to try 900p...
The 32MB ESRAM is just too small for this type of engine and 60 fps.
I can confirm that you need to calibrate your tv or put on some glasses. I'm playing it right now and it doesn't look blurry like nhl at all. It's pretty clear.
Vaseline filter sounds like FXAA to me. If that's the case, I'd rather have no aa on the xb1 version.
At 720p? Jaggies will be everywhere.
Zombie James
Banned
The power gap is much greater this generation (if there was even a power gap to speak of last generation).
Could it be that there's an optimization issue for the Xbox One and the Fox Engine? This is the second title that runs at 720p and perhaps a third one from Konami using the Fox Engine (MGSV).
I think a few cuts here and there would help the Xbox version reach 1080p and mantain 60 FPS. Not to mention that MS sends its engineers to help studios. It would be interesting to see know why the Xbox One version runs at 720p. I can't wait for Digital Foundry to investigate. I also think that an interview with someone from Konami about the Fox Engine and the games would be interesting. In the same fashion that Digital Foundry interviewed 4A Games' chief technical officer Oles Shishkovstov about Metro Redux about the Xbox One and PS4 version of Metro Redux.
I think a few cuts here and there would help the Xbox version reach 1080p and mantain 60 FPS. Not to mention that MS sends its engineers to help studios. It would be interesting to see know why the Xbox One version runs at 720p. I can't wait for Digital Foundry to investigate. I also think that an interview with someone from Konami about the Fox Engine and the games would be interesting. In the same fashion that Digital Foundry interviewed 4A Games' chief technical officer Oles Shishkovstov about Metro Redux about the Xbox One and PS4 version of Metro Redux.
Come on Digital Foundry make it happen.
Chobel
Member
Far objects looks much worse in lower resolution. In BF4, big part of screen is for objects near the camera (player). In PES, the camera is far from the players, i.e. everything is far object.
DirgeExtinction
Member
Alright, so does the XB1 have a lot of trouble reaching 1080p with deferred rendered games? How many games that are on par(same res/fps) with the PS4 version use deferred rendering?
If MS chose an architecture that sucks with deferred, why blame the developer?
If MS chose an architecture that sucks with deferred, why blame the developer?
neogaffer1
Banned
I think it should be pointed out that so far, there have only been three games with a 1080p/720p resolution split on PS4/XB1, and two of the games have been Konami games running on Fox Engine. Is it a problem with the engine itself or does Konami really not care at all about the Xbox One version?
Doctor_Thomas
Member
I think it's the engine, but not because there's a problem with it, just that it's not designed to take the ESRAM and, thus, runs at the lower resolution.... but this is pure speculation on my part.
Because that's how parity works, you always have to throttle the most powerful/best performing thing in order to reach the other's results.
If you have basket that can contain 30 pounds of fruit before it breaks and another that can contain only 25 pounds and you want for some reason parity what do you do? Add 5 pounds of fruit to the weaker basket? Of course not because it would break, obviously you remove 5 pounds to the most resistant one to reach parity.
Xbone is always pushed to the last piece of math it can handle while PS4 has always more room for optimization when games looks the same.
Come on guys it's a thing of basic logic not of semantics or point of views...
Wow, I didn't expect another 720p game to be released this far into the gen. That's a sizable gap. I'm getting this game, I need a sports game, and I won't support EA Sports for their licensing practices.
Hmm, I guess MS didn't send any engineers with magic powers to assist Konami on this....
Hmm, I guess MS didn't send any engineers with magic powers to assist Konami on this....
Not that I have heard. The silence on XB1 version has been deafening. No XB1 review copies were not sent. That rumor seems too outrageous to be true. One or the other possibly but not both.
The Fox engine is probably based on deferred rendering which, if the ESRAM is used solely as a cache, would likely be totally filled up at 720p and 60 fps. It takes a lot of extra work to get around the limitations of the ESRAM/shitty GPU. The Bone GPU was not designed for 1080p gaming which was a huge misjudgment by MS. I guess they just figured most people wouldn't care. Oops.
Yeah, they totally just forgot to try it. Come on.
Yeah, they totally just forgot to try it. Come on.
What? I'm no tech expert, but I'm pretty sure that's not true. I believed the XBone's limitation was related to the ESRAM thing instead of the GPU?
Shpeshal Nick
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The fact that FIFA is 1080/60 on Xbox tells me the architecture is what's causing most of the problems in all these cases. Or it's a shitty unoptimised engine.
TheLaughingStock
Member
I doubt it. They've probably spent more time on the Xbox One than PS4. The final result shouldn't look/run the same. Just like 360 vs. PS3 most of the time.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
NBA had no or ineffective AA on Xbone and Wolfenstein drops to lower resolutions. Not sure what you're judging Alien off.
neogaffer1
Banned
You really think they couldn't have pushed 900p60 if they didn't try? Sniper Elite 3 pushes way more than PES does and it's 900p60 on Xbox One (1080p60 on PS4).
Jessie.Bristol
Member
Wolfenstein drops resolution on PS4 as well, but not to the extent of Xbox One:
Digital Foundry said:
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Give it some time.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Guess we know why PT was on PS4
krypt0nian
Banned
Does Sniper Elite 3 use a deferred rendering engine?
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Isn't that what I said?
The GPU has exclusive access to the eSRAM, it's conceivable he was just including it in the GPU, although that's not strictly accurate.
It's both.
The ESRAM is a necessity due to the slow DDR3 and lack of dedicated VRAM, but it's also a major hurdle when used as a cache. Games like this that use a deferred renderer fill it up really quickly even at 720p. It's nowhere near big enough for efficient 1080p.
Which wasn't an issue for MS because....
... they completely ignored AMD's own recommendation for for the number of raster units (ROPs) required for 1080. It has HALF the number of ROPs that AMD recommends, making it much less efficient at 1080 than it would be if it had the right number of ROPs. Of course that doesn't mean it can't reach 1080p, it just means it does so very inefficiently. That doesn't even take into account the reduced number of shader units (CUs) and other GPU features where it's at a major disadvantage. The GPU essentially has the same specs as a low-mid range Radeon from late 2011 or early 2012. That's the problem here. It's a console that was designed to have 8 gbs of DDR3 and everything else suffered as a result.
I realize that the ESRAM is not necessarily part of the GPU. But it's the reason that the GPU is as weak as it is due to how much space it takes up on the APU.
BruiserBear
Banned
Not designed for 1080p, but most games are 1080p. Got it.
It can't really do 3D games at 1080p then.
Most? Is there a list of games and their resolutions?
OsirisBlack
Banned
You really want to bring Sniper Elite into this discussion?
Beaten by a country mile.
jordan0386
Member
IGN has one. Yea, most games are 1080p.
looks pretty impressive to me.
Only thing that worries me, is how will the teams they weren't able to get for the game look, because apart from that I think graphically PES looks a notch above Fifa.
Hard to believe. I mostly just read Gaf and it feels like the X1 cant do 1080p.
neogaffer1
Banned
You really want to bring Sniper Elite into this discussion?
I was mistaken above--it's running at 1080p60 on Xbox One. Even while performing like that it's still pushing more than PES at a higher resolution. I don't see how running a less intensive game at 900p wouldn't give you 60 fps.
Sure it can't
BruiserBear
Banned
Is Forza 3D? What about Destiny? What about Tomb Raider? Diablo 3?
Selective reading on your part I guess. GAF only tends to discuss the games that aren't 1080p on XB1.