Does PS4 even support XB1 controllers? Check. Mate.
Edit: Seriously though, is this basically explained by how Fox Engine uses deferred rendering, which makes some technical hurdles with the standard framebuffer sizing for XB1?
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PES 2015 : 1080P 60 FPS on PS4 - 720P 60 FPS on X1
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Does PS4 even support XB1 controllers? Check. Mate.
Edit: Seriously though, is this basically explained by how Fox Engine uses deferred rendering, which makes some technical hurdles with the standard framebuffer sizing for XB1?
dragonelite
Member
Did they even disclosed the bytes/pixel of their gbuffer?
In retrospect this post is highly amusing
No but based on the GDC talk they have a lot of buffers.
Maybe with PES or TPP they will do an in-depth post mortem where they enumerate the buffers used and at what quality each one is. Or they straight out give out the full MRT size.
R_thanatos
Member
Thank for the info.
Right now it seems unrealistic for me to expect any significant "boost" for the game given what i've seen so far. I guess that the fact that they posted this on the website an indication that they aren't going to work on this aspect of the game for the release window.
Yes, via Cronusmax
Right. I'm talking in more general terms, since we've seen similar simulations like FIFA with higher performance/resolution. In an anecdotal sense, Fox Engine's particular method seems to play a little "rougher" with multi-platform iterations.
Well, as much as the average GAFfer might like a developer putting out this kind of information ahead of release, and being transparent, does it really help them? I think it's approaching the point where resolutiongate is going to hurt the publishers more than MS. Everyone knows about the performance gap, I question there's a significant amount of people who even care, so at this point, it's just PR releasing information that one of their versions of a game is way below par.
Maybe MS's communication advice will be "shut the fuck up", and that's about it. Silent Hills and MGS5 are coming, Nojiri is working on another game that I imagine is using the same engine, and obviously yearly PES. That's a lot of lag that's not beneficial to the sales of those games, the reputation of that engine, or the view of that console.
Only the consumer benefits from the release of this information, and no one cares about the consumer beyond the performance of their own company.
What PES needs to do is use that engine to its potential.
Dynamic lighting while the real world time advances. Shadows changing across the pitch.
Changing weather while the game goes on.
All these things (including shadows, actually) change the way the game is played and makes for a more dynamic game.
Windom Earle
Member
This thread has certainly inspired me to check out the PES demo. Fifa one felt like crap to me but I thought it was just my rustiness after not playing one for a couple of years.
Which console did you finally decide on? I remember you having trouble deciding.
I think that many 3rd party publishers are very soon going to be called out by many PS4 owners on not making PS4 versions of games superior to the Xbox One versions of games because they were so busy trying to have parity across both versions of games to satisfy Microsoft, especially when it's very clear that some of Sony's exclusives alone displays graphics on another level that Xbox One can't achieve (such as The Order: 1886 & DriveClub).
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
is it true you cant download changes made by the community on the PS4? im bored of football games but i wanna try PES again and have a game i can play with my bros when they visit
Kssio_Aug
Member
Im not saying there isnt, but serious question, how many?
I can remember of DR3. But Im not aware of the others (is KI 720/30?).
BruiserBear
Banned
Yeah, and you'll notice a commonality amongst them. They're launch games.
According to reports the SDK was pretty poor leading up to launch, and the Kinect was taking up 10% of the GPU time. Those two things have now been fixed, which is why 720p games have been so rare since launch.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Dead Rising, Killer Instinct and Powerstar Golf (no sure about PSG, no-one responded)
Killer Instinct Seasons 2's still going to be 720p60, no?
Yes. Unfortunately PS4 doesnt allow custom data transfers, so patching the option file is not possible.
neogaffer1
Banned
It's already at 720p and Iron Galaxy doesn't want to bother with fixing it when they can spend the time working on new content. It's not like it's a new game coming out at 720, it's just a game that's already at it staying at it.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I see, but like said above those were release titles. All the 1st party games are now 900p+ if Im not mistaken (and most 3rd parties).
I think its more Fox Engine's fault nowadays. Well, we will see...
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Plenty of games were supposedly going to release at lower resolutions but Microsoft provided assistance to help push them up.
And 'dat 10% GPU reserve!
Ingueferroque
Banned
After trying out both PS4 demo's, I really appreciate FOX engine's natural lighting. Impressive stuff.
FIFA has great presentation and voiced commentary, but the games' animation/modeling doesn't hold up to the frequent and abundant close-ups.. constant uncanny valley. And the lighting looked flat. The animation bothered me a bit too.. players looked so lanky!
I think I'd go for PES myself, but they both seem like great football games.
FIFA has great presentation and voiced commentary, but the games' animation/modeling doesn't hold up to the frequent and abundant close-ups.. constant uncanny valley. And the lighting looked flat. The animation bothered me a bit too.. players looked so lanky!
I think I'd go for PES myself, but they both seem like great football games.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
oh man that sucks, im still getting it though. thanks
Dictator93
Member
All those low level graphic programmers working on character art and sounds for that new content, right?
Them wanting to add new content does not preclude them making the game run better on a technical level.
From a business perspective I totally agree. As a consumer I have enjoyed the almost bizarre are level of transparency from Konami inclusive of nice clear tables and for GZ even videos clarifying the differences.
I say bizarre as they have been extremely honest where most devs/publishers try and cough, shrug and divert attention from any hint of differences that could affect sales.
Therefore you're probably right: MS may well have been communicating the idea they share less info.
It's a pity though; it's great as a consumer. He'll if I had my way the expiry conditions of timed exclusives would have to be disclosed to consumers so they can take the information into consideration when buying.
Dictator93
Member
While it is a twitter quote from a dev PR, I can also doubt its claims to truth.
They will have to explain to me how their engine programmers are required for large content updates of adding characters and levels. SHouldn't the pipeline for such already exist? What do engine programmers who focus on the hard core nitty gritty of framerates and shaders have anything to do with implementing a character model and an animation set?
I don't buy it.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
I still don't buy the excuse. If KI was important to Microsoft, they'd make the resources available.
More importantly, if Microsoft is sending over people to help Blizzard and Bungie, why the hell are they not doing the same for their own first party game?
I was under the impression that Killer Instinct sold very well, no?
neogaffer1
Banned
Why bother upping the resolution when it already runs well and not that many people are complaining? Technically it's not a new game, just a massive DLC package for the old one.
Chobel
Member
I guess because there's no bad PR associated with it.
Actually, I did read on Reddit somewhere (I know no source) another KI dev claimed we would see how they used the June SDK performance boost in season 2.
Take it with a grain of salt though.
edit: Maybe Saberwulf will get more fur... Or a proper tail?
Chobel
Member
Diablo 3 also ran well and no one complained about the resolution, and yet MS found it "unacceptable" to run at 900p.
Dictator93
Member
People are not actively complaining, but I am pretty sure everyone would not mind it. With time and dedication could probablymake the game's resolution higher andIMO they should.it would do the art justice more so than it does not.
I agree from technical perspective they ought to be able to work on it. I wonder though, could they mean their content is literally not designed for 1080p and the content would need re-worked too? My background is commercial software so I'm not too experienced in how textures and visual content is managed and I'm wondering if they could be developing all of that with a target of 720p?
Mind you given MS is so keen to help big titles improve you'd think they'd put a bit more effort with their own exclusive titles.
thelastword
Banned
How about the increase from 900p to 1080p? I'd like to know your take on whether it's noticeable?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
That's assuming that the constraint is due to the GPU's processing power. And that the SDK improvements will make up for it. That's not going to be the case for every game and every engine. Limitations created by the hardware architecture will inevitably lead to compromises. Konami chose to compromise the resolution in this case. They could have also chose to sacrifice the visuals, but maybe the trade off wasn't worth it.
I think 720p games are rare because we're still seeing a lot of cross gen games. Sub 1080p games are also rare on the PS4, and I expect that to eventually change too. Those boxes will eventually be pushed to their limits.
dragonelite
Member
Of course you notice it, but the jump from 720p to 900p is something i think xbox one fan can appreciate and not feel like getting the finger from konami. Given that most games do have that 900p vs 1080p graphics setting, haven't been following all the resolution wars but i can't remember 720p vs 1080p happen.
dragonelite
Member
MGS:GZ is a given it uses the same engine i should have known that one.
I have forgotten about Cod:Ghost, never heard about the Golf club so yeah.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I'm guessing they use deferred rendering and value 60fps over 900p.
Well good news for Sony, they have a lot more hardware power and much better programmers.
sechsterangriff
Member
And any programmer will tell you that that optimization has a ceiling. People just assume there's always relevant optimization to be done when sometimes it's not the case or the gains are deemed negligible. Also there's a line between task optimization and when you start taking resources from other tasks.
Adding raw power will almost invariably result in better performance over the previous setup. Though depending on the software it may also end up in diminishing returns, it is still a gain in performance.
Not to mention that applying the same optimizations in two systems of the same architecture will invariably result in better performance in the one with more raw power.
Melchiah
Member
That didn't happen the last time on the PS3, when all late 1st party titles ran at 720p and pushed the system further than any of the 3rd parties did. The trade-off was made elsewhere than lowering the resolution. That's why I don't think it'll happen this time either, at least when it comes to SCE studios.