Perhaps 30 fps was the right choice after all if people can't tell the difference? (unless it's a browser issue)
I rarely even get the taste of 60 fps on this laptop, but it's quite obvious to me even when the gif is shrunk.
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Bloodborne Producer: Targeting 30fps for "Game Design" purposes
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Perhaps 30 fps was the right choice after all if people can't tell the difference? (unless it's a browser issue)
I rarely even get the taste of 60 fps on this laptop, but it's quite obvious to me even when the gif is shrunk.
I'm a huge stickler for 60 FPS and I can't even tell.
I think some people just need to have fullscreen, playable gameplay to feel the framerate. Those tiny gifs, don't show as much to me.
NullPointer
Member
Those look identical on my Chrome - do you need a specific browser or plug-in?
I've seen that comparison before, and the difference is night and day, but not in that post, not for me right now.
First post should be edited.
Normally I can tell 60 from 30 without issues (there was a post on here a long while back that had gifs like that and one side was 30 and one was 60 and I got them all right) but this specific one I am not seeing it.
Honestly think it's a browser issue, as far as this gif is concerned. Having them side by side, really makes the 30fps gif look all the worse too. Looks much less smooth relative to the 60fps gif.
NullPointer
Member
The article includes two separate quotes about action games being 30fps. I can see one of those two quotes being lost in translation, but both?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=816904
http://30vs60.com/index.html
Not sure how accurate the site is but I could see a difference between those there.
http://30vs60.com/index.html
Not sure how accurate the site is but I could see a difference between those there.
Glad they cleared that up. It's pretty sad that the original quote was so believable given other recent responses from devs and publishers on the subject.
ninjablade
Banned
With frame rate drops that huge and happening so often, the game would probably play better being locked at 30fps.
If you have any knowledge of their previous games, then the apology is just fine
Cave Johnson
Member
Just out of curiosity, have your tried playing TLOU: R and switch framerate on the fly? Loads of Gaffers started to turn around the subject when experienced.
Exactly.
This doesn't sound like a mistranslation to me: “they weren’t targeting 60fps because it’s not first-person shooting, it’s an action game.”
Lucent
Member
Pretty much this. It's kind of annoying though that it seems like more devs are now saying stuff in reaction to the people complaining about no 60fps in games. I honestly didn't expect them to go 60fps with this.
Storm Raider
Banned
I literally can´t play those games with 30 fps anymore
I got a lot of responses saying people can't tell the difference between these in this specific GIF.
I'm viewing it on Chrome on the iPhone and it's pretty obvious that the left is 60 and the right is 30.
The left should feel smoother or 'sped up' while the right feels a little more choppy and slow.
Hydrogen Bluebird
Member
Guys, I'll post the audio clip for this.
There is nothing better than choice but we don't get choice. Same could be said about the gains from halving the frame-rate to a locked 30 fps (whether that be better resolution, better AA, shadow detail, texture detail, particle effects etc), versus inconsistent 60 fps. I have played enough 60 fps games to know the trade-offs involved. Some games are better off going for 1080p, 30 fps. In a perfect world, 1080p, 60 fps would be the norm without any compromises but those are not the times. TLOU is a good example. On PS3 I would take 30 fps and its current graphics vs. 60 fps and downgraded graphics. Even if I am provided no choice - ND made the correct choice.
Ganzlinger
Member
You guys take this FPS thing really serious lol
I can tell the difference fine myself. I am talking about the hypothetical person who cannot tell the difference visually. Even in that case, you should be able to feel the difference anyway.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Banana Aeon
Member
It's important, and for some, it can determine if you can physically play a game.
ambar_hitman
Member
Ubisoft must be proud of this guy.
MickeyKnox
Member
The only reason people have a hard time seeing the difference is the optical illusion created by the side by side placement, put more space between them or stack them vertically and it's night and day.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
You have the most hilariously ironic username on this forum.
Consider "loquacious" instead.
The Xtortionist
Member
I'll be fine if it runs as smooth as Destiny. That is one smooth 30FPS game.
Maybe because Gifs doesn't run at 60fps?!!! Just maybe...
BloodMoney
Banned
DC fooled me well enough. All hail our 30fps overlords.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
Banned
On the PC I sacrifice absolutely everything sans resolution to achieve 60 FPS.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
Banned
Hydrogen Bluebird
Member
Hey GAF, here's an audio clip wherein he says the part in the news article.
Edit:
Just trying to make it clear that the article is just reporting what was said during the group interview session.
Edit:
Just trying to make it clear that the article is just reporting what was said during the group interview session.
Cave Johnson
Member
I always believe awareness is the key. We need to call into question their perceptiveness unless they themselves experienced 30fps and 60fps alternatively. It's understandable when you compare COD to uncharted but unless they experience the same game first hand side by side (so far TLOU is the only case example) then only I can attest said hypotheticals to their claim.
Abdul Hafeez
Member
I was secretly praying this game would be 60 fps...oh well, I guess. Just give me a rock solid 30 FROM.
GHG
Member
I don't really notice the difference unless I'm playing a racing or sports game. Even in some racing games the difference isn't that apparent in some instances. Hell, I lock a lot of games to 30fps on my PC to play with more eyecandy or downsample the game...
People take this framerate thing way too seriously. As long as its stable and locked (regardless of whether is 30 or 60) it should have minimal impact on your playing experience.
People take this framerate thing way too seriously. As long as its stable and locked (regardless of whether is 30 or 60) it should have minimal impact on your playing experience.
Seems like there could have been some mistranslation with the translator not expressing exactly what was said 1:1 but yh fair game to the author.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Treasure is from now?
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seriously game journalism...
Chinpoko_Master
Member
You joke about it, but I've seen people claim they literally become nauseous when playing 30fps games. It's clearly no joke!
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Probably the same people that can't watch Cloverfield.
Well Thanks for that clip. I guess it wasn't really the fault of the journalist who wrote the article, but it was problem with mistranslated. The producer doesn't say 30fps is the best for action game when he speaks about this in Japanese in that clip.
Hydrogen Bluebird
Member
Ah, so it's a mistranslation? Can you translate what he said?
I was going to question the exact translation. I'm sure in a perfect world, From would love to deliver the best visuals they could, while maintaining perfect 60, but they have to make compromises, and with the game looking as stunning as it does, I think 30 is fine. If it was a choice between that, and basically DS2's visuals at 1080/60, I'd choose Bloodborne.
If they actually hit 30 constantly or not though is the big question. I know people were impressed with the performance of the alpha, but Demon's/Dark Souls both have places where performance is pretty good on console, then it's just dog shit at 5-2/Blighttown and other areas.
If they actually hit 30 constantly or not though is the big question. I know people were impressed with the performance of the alpha, but Demon's/Dark Souls both have places where performance is pretty good on console, then it's just dog shit at 5-2/Blighttown and other areas.
Banana Aeon
Member
At low and/or unstable framerates, low FoV, heavy camera movement at low framerates, I get migraines.