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Just Cause 3 screenshots Leaked [Update: New microtransaction hell screenshots]

CREMSteve

Member
I LOVE Just Cause 2 and I've been waiting anxiously for a sequel for years.

And from the looks of things.... now it actually exists but I'm going to be avoiding it like a plague. Goddamnit. Fuck this industry.
 
They've dredged up so much negativity with this decision. Not just for their own fucked game but they've ignited a fear of the future in at least this community.
 

cuyahoga

Dudebro, My Shit is Fucked Up So I Got to Shoot/Slice You II: It's Straight-Up Dawg Time
Well, I guess this explains why they had a microtransactions person at Avalanche NYC.
 

jwk94

Member
how is a $60 game with micro transactions of the kind shown here, laughable?

Seriously?

You're getting the full game. Why should it be cheaper just because it has microtransactions? We don't even know how the microtransactions affect the economy.
 

AppleMIX

Member
You know what? I'm glad. The sooner this shit get made public knowledge the sooner people can start trashing JC3 for it's shitty business model.
 
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You're getting the full game. Why should it be cheaper just because it has microtransactions? We don't even know how the microtransactions affect the economy.
Because of content held back to be sold, because of grinds tailored to entice purchase of microtransactions, and because of - according to those screens - fucking timers added to the game for no good reason that to push premium accelerators.

My toaster doesn't offer me the option to toast things quicker for an additional 25 cents. If it did I'd throw it out the fucking window.

But that's me. Offering up more stuff to buy to extend an already full experience is great - I just really haven't seen enough of that compared to models with timers and diamonds and "Best Value!" emblazoned of them - all of which are signs of a player base being squeezed.
 
I can't complain yet depending on how easy it is to obtain gems. I mean, Just Cause 2 has the same "pay to buy cars and weapons" system, but with a different in-game currency (money instead of gems).

The only differences from what I see:

- In JC2, you ended up with so much money that you could pretty much buy whatever you wanted without it being an issue. We can't say that for sure about JC3, but hopefully they don't skimp out on the gems to entice you to open your wallet.

- In JC2, there was no "rent/buy" system. You spend money, get a car, and it's yours until you blow it up or lose it from walking too far away from it. Same with weapons.

- In JC2, you couldn't buy in-game money with real money. Personally I don't have a problem for offering the option to do so, as long as they don't purposely make it hard to come by in-game, but it is good for those who just want to unlock everything from the get-go and don't care about money. (Of course, the much better way would be to have cheat codes and Action Replays like in the past...)

Basically, I know people are freaking out about what the screenshots can mean, and I totally understand why, but I don't think we have enough information to really worry yet. But it isn't a bad thing to make your voices heard to the developers just in case they are planning on the worst case...


Edit: Here's JC2 for comparison:

 

Burt

Member
What makes you say that, if, as you say, they chose those screens in particular? If they chose to reveal the microtransactions screens in particular, they obviously wanted to damage the brand. If those screens are correct in any way, then that really, really sucks.

I'm not sure what you're asking here. What I'm saying is that we've been provided screenshots that without context are undeniably (and likely purposefully) harmful to the public perception of the game. It isn't like whoever did this tossed out a shitty screenshot of what looks like a placeholder pipe asset on a generic stone texture background or an aerial shot with worse detail and draw distance than JC2 because he/she had absolutely no other shots or way of taking more. These are all out here because someone wanted to take a deuce on Avalanche. We got more microtransaction screenshots because that's what gained the most negative traction.

What I'm also saying is that getting upset over the possibility that the screens are "correct in any way" without the context of the game's pay model, finalized microtransactions, or any other solid pricing details is an uninformed kneejerk reaction that's just doing a disservice to yourself.

Microtransactions ruin 95% of the games they are in; the remaining 5% are single match based multiplayer games that are competitive based, and as such, are significantly smaller in scope than any single player game because they can only function with the round/match competition based gameplay.

http://64.91.255.7/forum/showthread.php?t=698299
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=896201
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=909650

Just off the top of my head.

While people may have played a multiplayer, competitive based game for hundreds of hours, that doesn't mean that it has a lot of exciting variety or content; the length completely relies on competition between players; people who want to beat the other player(s), and become more skilled to beat more.

New items or content means very little in these types of games compared to single player games; getting a new weapon or ability is nowhere near as exciting, as the only question is whether or not that item or content allows you to be a better player, and if not, it's essentially worthless. The only items and content that matter are the things that you take with you into each match, and it tends to be the same exact items for all the players or all the classes.
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Not that you even would have time to appreciate the graphics beyond a second or two; after that, the only thing that matters is what makes you more efficient at defeating the other player(s).

Not to mention that they don't offer the same type of reward or satisfaction that single player games do; in competitive based games, the satisfaction, obviously, comes from asserting your dominance or that you are a good player, like in any real world sport.
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epmode

Member
- In JC2, you couldn't buy in-game money with real money. Personally I don't have a problem for offering the option to do so, as long as they don't purposely make it hard to come by in-game, but it is good for those who just want to unlock everything from the get-go and don't care about money. (Of course, the much better way would be to have cheat codes and Action Replays like in the past...)

Simply choosing to allow players to buy currency with cash influences design decisions, like it or not. Once that barrier has been crossed, it's then in the company's best interest to annoy their players just enough to get them to pay.

I also love the PRESS Y TO BUY DIAMONDS prompt in the main objectives screen. What a joke.
 
I must admit, I was silently looking forward to this game. I even avoided by JC2 hoping the fan reaction will force them to make JC3, which I will play in all it's glory. But now...

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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Would Deus Ex's target audience even be willing to shell out for MTs?

That audience doesn't strike me as one to just open their wallets.
Deus Ex strikes me as something that would make the most sense to monetize with a season pass unless they have a BioWare-esque online mode.
 

pirata

Member
Damn it, I was looking forward to a new Just Cause game so much. I hope the final game is not as nefarious as this looks.
 

Tengrave

Member
Giving benifit of the doubt till this is confirmed as a real game. I would be shocked if this is all true on a sequel that seems like a sure fire hit
 

Complex Shadow

Cudi Lame™
at some point i just feel like i should just avoid AAA games. between this and GTA DRM i ve kinda felt like this hobby has gone in a direction for better or worse, that treats the costumer as no good thieves with deep pockets.
 

vinnygambini

Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Ground textures need a bit of work.

It's not surprising though coming from Square, especially after their IR report.

Lower risks for major titles through, e.g.,use of external funds

Microsoft Tomb Raider, micro-transactions, etc.

Soon Final Fantasy: Ride a Chocobo for 1$!
 
Simply choosing to allow players to buy currency with cash influences design decisions, like it or not. Once that barrier has been crossed, it's then in the company's best interest to annoy their players just enough to get them to pay.

I also love the PRESS Y TO BUY DIAMONDS prompt in the main objectives screen. What a joke.

While I don't believe that to be true in every single case, it is the thing I'm worried about the most with this move. Doesn't look good when they're in-your-face about always buying diamonds with real money, too...
 

Jac_Solar

Member
I'm not sure what you're asking here. What I'm saying is that we've been provided screenshots that without context are undeniably (and likely purposefully) harmful to the public perception of the game. It isn't like whoever did this tossed out a shitty screenshot of what looks like a placeholder pipe asset on a generic stone texture background or an aerial shot with worse detail and draw distance than JC2 because he/she had absolutely no other shots or way of taking more. These are all out here because someone wanted to take a deuce on Avalanche. We got more microtransaction screenshots because that's what gained the most negative traction.

What I'm also saying is that getting upset over the possibility that the screens are "correct in any way" without the context of the game's pay model, finalized microtransactions, or any other solid pricing details is an uninformed kneejerk reaction that's just doing a disservice to yourself.



http://64.91.255.7/forum/showthread.php?t=698299
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=896201
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=909650

Just off the top of my head.

Ooh, yeah, you're correct. I forgot about Path of Exile because microtransactions and such upset me, and making broad, sweeping statements makes it sound like a more serious issue.

Path Of Exile is an awesome game, and it's the single game that indicates that it's possible to have a profitable f2p game with microtransactions. I haven't played the others.

However, if a game announces it will have microtransactions, it's better to complain in the hopes that they will take it out, because it will most likely be much worse (For players.) with them.
 

Braag

Member
Blowing stuff up to earn money and spending that on weapons and vehicles was fun.
Spending real money for weapons and vehicles is not fun.
I loved JC2 but I'm definitely gonna pass on this.

Well, I guess this explains why they had a microtransactions person at Avalanche NYC.

It was this guy wasn't it?

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Also, can you imagine the next Deus Ex?

What, you want to actually examine the environment and find ammo/small stashes of weapons/tools? Maybe some sidequests and exploration to get Praxis points and extra EXP? Well you could, but we've deliberately discouraged that as much as possible because we would REALLY love you to open the store and teleport some weapons and ammo into your hands at an instant using only the power of your credit card. You know, just like what Deus Ex is about!

Shinobi instills me with some hope that it won't happen - that it may be an unmolested true sequel (please), but I still can't be complacent. There's ample time for them to do something like this to it if God forbid, "paymium" is construed by major publishers as successful.

I can imagine the original Deus Ex with microtransactions. Instead of you paying credits to Lt. Kaplan for ammunition, you instead have to pay him with real-world money. Alex Jacobson constantly interrupts to remind you to get your second currency. Most of the black-market vendors have a "regular" market and a "premium" market.
 

Alienous

Member
Bye bye Just Cause.
Bye bye Sleeping Dogs.

Two series who, against all odds, had fantastic entries that would a secured a purchase from me for the sequel if they had decided to stay the course.

Astounding.
 

Jhn

Member
That's disgusting.
As many other have already said, I'm out. I guess it's time to "vote with your wallet", as the phrase goes.
 

Jigorath

Banned
Just Cause 2 was the best open world game of the last generation. I was so excited for a sequel... fuck Square Enix and their micro-transactions. Can't wait to be just as disappointed with the next Deus Ex.
 

Jhn

Member
Bye bye Just Cause.
Bye bye Sleeping Dogs.

Two series who, against all odds, had fantastic entries that would a secured a purchase from me for the sequel if they had decided to stay the course.

Astounding.

For someone out of the loop, what's wrong with Dogs? Played it and thoroughly enjoyed it when it first came out, and I don't remember anything about microtransactions? My brain must have employed some unconscious, synapse-driven version of adblock.
 

Instro

Member
For someone out of the loop, what's wrong with Dogs? Played it and thoroughly enjoyed it when it first came out, and I don't remember anything about microtransactions? My brain must have employed some unconscious, synapse-driven version of adblock.

He's talking about the sequel, Triad Wars, that looks like poop.
 

Cesky

Neo Member
Com'ooooon...I was waiting for this game for years and now the first screenshots is about MT!?

Fuck you , with all my love.

Reinstallin' JC2
 

Jhn

Member
He's talking about the sequel, Triad Wars, that looks like poop.


Thanks, the fact that there was a "sequel" coming managed to slip me by somehow.
Now that I'm all caught up, whyyyyyy...

With this, JC3, Destiny and other new games like them, I feel like the industry is moving towards making "addictive" games rather than fun games at a pretty alarming pace. That can't be good.
 

Easy_D

never left the stone age
Deus Ex strikes me as something that would make the most sense to monetize with a season pass unless they have a BioWare-esque online mode.

BUY 20 PRAXIS POINTS FOR $99.99 (BEST VALUE!!))

Edit: I wonder what Avalanche Studios feels like, having to..create this..thing :(.
 

KHlover

Banned
Uh... $3 in a Steam sale and then a trainer to unlock the microtransaction stuff for free.

Fuck you, Avalanche :/
 
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