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AMD designing an x86 or ARM chip for a "game console" to be introduced 2016
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...powered by AMD? Mind: blown.
Nintendo used to release consoles every ~5 years like clockwork.
SNES (U.S.) - 1991
N64 - 1996
GameCube - 2001
Wii - 2006.
2017 would be 5 years for Wii U, a generous amount of time for a failed console.
GOGOheadray
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Boss★Moogle;144901306 said:
What makes you think people would buy what ever new nintendo console that would come out in droves?
Yeah, I know it's nothing out of the ordinary. I guess it just seems so soon because we come from a pretty long generation.
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
Learn the difference between an instruction set (PowerPC, x86) and a microarchitecture (PowerPC 750, Jaguar, Haswell, etc). I was referring to the latter. PowerPC 750 is the same microarchitecture used by the MacG3. It dates back to the time of first gen Netburst (Pentium 4) and the original Athlon.
(Also technically today's x86 ISA is x86-64 which came out in 2003 and has been extended several times since then.)
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Not quite. PPC750 is not a singular microarchitecture either. There have been a number of advances through the years. Gekko had microarchitecture advancements which were introduced with the FX in 2002. Later on IBM commercialized Gekko/Broadway as 750CL in 2006. So technically, one could argue Gekko corresponds to 2006 off-the-shelf technology.
Nikodemos
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Will the new Nintendo handheld (since it's pretty likely that's what we're dealing with) feature dedicated memory like the Vita? With AMD and Hynix have a working partnership regarding HBM (and the new AMD video cards being confirmed as having HBM), is there any likelihood of having 128 MB of HBM memory as an L3 cache/dedicated video memory? Fourth Storm, blu, anyone?
Hero_of_the_Day
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Sony and MS directy, no. But, I do know what big guns are guaranteed to be coming to their systems that year that won't be on Wii U. I'll go with Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and Madden.
I'd also predict that Gears of War, God of War, and Mass Effect are all 2016 games, and obviously won't be on Wii U. Maybe a Battlefield, New Rockstar (Red Dead 2 hopefully), who knows. The point is just about every single major third party release.
Nintendo has put the majority of their brands on the Wii U already and still haven't pushed enough units for third parties to really give a fuck. I love my Wii U, I'm not some anti-Nintendo person (do those exist?). These are just cold truths. They are in the shit position where they have a console that is too weak for modern ports and in an environment where most third parties don't make exclusives without some money being thrown their way.
Again, I don't have a fucking clue what they should do, but a new system in 2017 wouldn't be some crazy idea, or a slap in the face of Wii U owners.
Unknown One
Member
Post Iwata Nintendo is stingy with hardware in general.
Not really much of a sample set to say that. Mobile tech exploded after the 3DS has already been in development and, later, released. Wii was a very conscious and targeted decision, that wouldn't have worked with better hardware. And the WiiU was the WiiU.
And ARMv8a is 2013 or so, no?
The 3DS was released in 2011, more than half a year after the iPhone 4, and at roughly the same time as the Galaxy S2. There's no denying that the ARM11 in the 3DS was completely outdated at the time of its release already.
More ram, more power drain. iOS is very efficient, btw. & you can get 64gb ram on non-mobile apple stuff, so they aren't stingy when they don't have to be.
Chittagong
Gold Member
It could be Nintendo. They are keen to move on from Wii U but are smart enough not to pull a Sega, but instead waiting for the shortest cycle possible that doesn't look like they abandoned a console. I think they could get away with 4 years. It would be just one year short from their typical cycle:
Super NES (1991) - N64 (1996) - 5 years
N64 (1996) - GameCube (2001) - 5 years
GameCube (2001) - Wii (2006) - 5 years
Wii (2006) - Wii U (2012) - 6 years
In fact, it would return them to their X1/X6 pattern.
Super NES (1991) - N64 (1996) - 5 years
N64 (1996) - GameCube (2001) - 5 years
GameCube (2001) - Wii (2006) - 5 years
Wii (2006) - Wii U (2012) - 6 years
In fact, it would return them to their X1/X6 pattern.
Orniletter
Banned
The 3DS was Nintendo getting caught with their pants around their ankles.
It was supposed to come with the Nvidia Tegra one, Nvidia promised the world.....but at the end of the day underdelivered (performance/ Watt . wise). So...they kinda rushed something unconvential out of the gate ( Pica whatever + anemic CPU ).
I really don´t think we have to worry about something like that again.
Fourth Storm
Member
I don't think HBM is being targeted at the ultramobile sector, so while it's power efficient for the performance it offers, it would be too much a drain for a small handheld.
I'd imagine they'll use some combo of lpDDR4 and on-chip SRAM (new 3DS already has 10 MB--as much as Xbox 360's framebuffer). But it's Nintendo, so you never know. They could go out and license some type of RAM we've never heard of before...
What's the current ARM that people use nowdays?
What is considered a dated ARM by 2016 standards? (Withered tech philosophy)
People might argue with you on price, but there was also a $199 iPod Touch that was much more powerful than the ($249) 3DS.
Astral Dog
Member
No, they will introduce the 3DS successor in 2016, its too early for that, they still need to focus on Wii U and 3DS games.
One could argue that they need to focus on next-gen games, to avoid having the problems they had with both 3DS and Wii U.
NNID/eShop is crossplatform, they use open storage (sd, microsd, usb) and full license transfers (though you need both hardwares to do it).
I think next gen they just need to unify Virtual Console purchases across hardware (like PSN Classics) and allow remote account management.
Cheeseman Battitude
Member
Didn't do too badly for them though.
Fourth Storm
Member
I'm optimistic. The ARM Cortex A57/A53 are being used in some phones this year, no? The design has been available for a couple years already. I think that by late 2016, ARM64 is a possibility for Nintendo. Presumably, with AMD doing the SoC, the A57 is already a part of their roadmaps...
Chittagong
Gold Member
I don't think Nintendo can lowball tech anymore like they did in the last few consoles and handhelds. The world has changed, consumer tech has got really bleeding edge and the expectations have grown. The silver lining for Nintendo is that it has brought cost down, too.
Astral Dog
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Yes, 3DS was outdated, but... it worked on its favor, it wouldn't got that many exclusives otherwise, its not a Wii U situation.
That is a good reason to worry, who is going to make a handheld exclusive when it costs as much as a console game?
That is a good reason to worry, who is going to make a handheld exclusive when it costs as much as a console game?
Astral Dog
Member
The problem is, rushing a next gen console when its not ready is not a very good idea either.
The Wii U, for example, clearly needed another six months on the oven.
crimsonheadGCN
Banned
By 2016, it would be five years since Nintendo released 3DS so it would make sense for it to be the next handheld. Console will follow in 2017.
what what?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I'm not aware if HBM solves the DDR latency issue to any degree. Thus it might not be suitable for any cache level.
Cheeseman Battitude
Member
Needed a year IMO. Launching with an operating system what was quick to use and games like Wonderful 101, Sonic Lost World, Zelda HD, Mario & Sonic Sochi 2014 would've been better than a load of last gen games and an OS that was like walking through treacle.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Unless of course the $199 ipod spring '11 model was the 16GB model, with the 128 MB, ARM11@533MHz and MBX lite GPU.
Wouldn't the handheld have to be relatively modern anyway by virtue of AMD not really being in that field at the moment?
Semi-related: The Pica in the 3DS has a specific extension for stereoscopic 3D. If they're going with something more conventional that might be more motivation not to include 3D right?
Nikodemos
Member
Something makes me believe they'll play it somewhat safer hardware-wise this time around. The tech world has changed a bit in the past three years.
Hence why I said development. I know when it released but they likely were already too far into development to scrap the ARM11 for something else at the time without also making the thing even more expensive. I'd imagine the guts were established at least a year, if not two or more, before the console itself launched and software was already in development. So its not really 2011 but 2009-10.
The thing was supposed to launch with the Tegra anyway but that fell through because nVidia failed in their delivery. The whole of the 3DS was a bit of clusterfuck from creation to release to salvage operation.
I think Nintendo's push for a more unified development platform is the central point in the rest of their decisions in their plans moving forward. By lowering cost in developing for both handheld and console maybe that could imply that they could afford the development costs on more powerful hardware? And if they can offer a unified development platform to third parties it could provide an incentive for more third parties since it provides them with 2 platforms to release on for almost the cost of developing for 1 platform? Seems very credible for it to be Nintendo as i would think they would be in the biggest need to move away from their current architecture and move to x86 and all that so they can get back some third party support they so desperately need.
They are the most likely candidate. Though I wonder what a high end console would be with the average income of Chinese citizens being stratified so heavily between blue collar and white collar workers.
This is also something Nintendo has a history of doing, holding back essentially complete hardware for various reasons. N64 and Gamecube were each delayed roughly a year because software wasn't ready while SFC and GBA were each delayed nearly 2 years due to the late overperformance of their predecessors.
Out of interest how close are mobile phones to PS3/360 levels nowadays?
I know there was the neutered Bioshock port but what's the best looking mobile game?
Mevius: Final Fantasy looks like it could pass as a somewhat rough around the edges PS3/360 game and it's an AAA developer(Internal Square Enix) is that a good representation of what highend mobile games look like?
I know there was the neutered Bioshock port but what's the best looking mobile game?
Mevius: Final Fantasy looks like it could pass as a somewhat rough around the edges PS3/360 game and it's an AAA developer(Internal Square Enix) is that a good representation of what highend mobile games look like?
Remember that Wii U is a failed console. The sooner Nintendo can replace it with something that generates money the better.
I don't think they're that close yet.. but the stacked memory should change that rather rapidly.