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Fighting Games Weekly | Dec 29 - Jan 4 | 2015: An Esports Odyssey

Dahbomb

Member
My hands usually cramp up when using a keyboard almost everyday if I type for a prolonged period of time. I need to get my hands checked out so I can tell doctor how my fingers tremble when I point. Will using a fight stick make it easier on my hands for those who have transitioned from pad to stick? It might quicken my purchase of one.
Stick makes it worse for me especially the left wrist because I have a bad habit of using my wrists for movements more than I have to. Also because of living outside the States and playing on crappy arcade sticks, you had to exaggerate the motions to get the correct motions out which resulted in more pressure on the wrist.
 

Jazz-ism

Banned
Stick makes it worse for me especially the left wrist because I have a bad habit of using my wrists for movements more than I have to. Also because of living outside the States and playing on crappy arcade sticks, you had to exaggerate the motions to get the correct motions out which resulted in more pressure on the wrist.

you strained yourself more on foreign parts than happ products? what lol?

where did you live?
 

vocab

Member
Tendonitis is much more common than CTS. If you play with bad posture/unnatural style you are much more prone to those type of symptoms. Both my hands were screwed up a couple of months ago. It went away after a few weeks. Pain was bad too.
 

alstein

Member
omg.. that's a freaking goldmine. I wonder who this is.

aww man.. most of these dont tell you who is playing in english... oh well...

He's an oldschool Kaillera troll. You see a number of those playing on PC in Ultra. Usually these folks run the strategy of trying to make you hate the game more than they do.
 

Tik-Tok

Member
This channel on YouTube named psychorarity has been uploading tons of early 2000 footage from majors.

All sorts of games too


omg.. that's a freaking goldmine. I wonder who this is.

aww man.. most of these dont tell you who is playing in english... oh well...
Psychorarity is one of psychochronics YouTube accounts. He's an OG from the Toronto area. Dude lives breaths eats and shits FGC.
 
My hands usually cramp up when using a keyboard almost everyday if I type for a prolonged period of time. I need to get my hands checked out so I can tell doctor how my fingers tremble when I point. Will using a fight stick make it easier on my hands for those who have transitioned from pad to stick? It might quicken my purchase of one.

Truthfully, I'd have to recommend against it then. Like Kirblar I got kinda lucky with piano experience. From essentially forcing my friend into playing stick with me, it seems that the transition from pad to stick when you've already become greatly accustomed to pad is quite a bitch, not counting already existing hand problems.

On the plus side, it's so much more fucking fun :p
 

Onemic

Member
I switched from pad to stick because of pain in my hands(thumbs mainly) from doing motions on pad. Stick made all the pain go away and I've never looked back
 

Dlent

Member
I won't cross post my ramblings from the Xrd OT, but given Sirlin's history anything from him should be viewed with skepticism at best.

Although I will have some fun poking at the fact that he spends several paragraphs complaining that aerial pot buster is too hard, but that #Reload slayer having a difficult but infinite bite loop combo was part of the Slayer that he thought was "just fine."
 
My hands usually cramp up when using a keyboard almost everyday if I type for a prolonged period of time. I need to get my hands checked out so I can tell doctor how my fingers tremble when I point. Will using a fight stick make it easier on my hands for those who have transitioned from pad to stick? It might quicken my purchase of one.

You might want to check your posture when you type, a surprising amount of people have their chairs too low or armrests in awkward positions so that they are pressing down on the edge of the table with their wrists instead of pressing down on the flat of the table with the bottoms of their palms, which can actually cause swelling and a ton of pain on the nerve (I learned this the hard way).

If you're using stick correctly there's a low range of movement and you don't really need to use a lot of strength, so it might help. In my experience playing on pad hurts my hands a lot more because of how much effort is required of fingers like the thumb for the usual motions required for fighting games. Playing AAA games where you're usually just pressing forward on the left analog and doing left trigger, right trigger shouldn't theoretically cause problems, though.
 

fader

Member
So Too much AC hate in that article.

yea I felt bad for linking that article now, after re-reading it the author has a heavy idea but did little to no research and obviously have no real knowledge of the AC series but complained about aspects to them.

Also he said Xrd Ky is boring. BULLSHIT!
 
yea I felt bad for linking that article now, after re-reading it the author has a heavy idea but did little to no research and obviously have no real knowledge of the AC series but complained about aspects to them.

Also he said Xrd Ky is boring. BULLSHIT!
No, he said Ky has been boring in all of the last versions, and Xrd finally made him interesting.

I generally agree with what Sirlin wrote there.
 

Prototype

Member
I won't cross post my ramblings from the Xrd OT, but given Sirlin's history anything from him should be viewed with skepticism at best.

Although I will have some fun poking at the fact that he spends several paragraphs complaining that aerial pot buster is too hard, but that #Reload slayer having a difficult but infinite bite loop combo was part of the Slayer that he thought was "just fine."

Lots of stuff Sirlin has written has been borderline idiotic, but some of it does have merit as well.

Some points he brings up in the Xrd article are spot on. He may be an idiot sometimes, but not everything he says is stupid.

This isn't directed at you in particular btw. Just saying this in general.


Edit. Snip from the article.
Guilty Gear is a complicated game and it got more and more complicated over time. Making the game more accessible and easier to get to the strategy part did not appear to be anywhere on the list of priorities. But amazingly, now it is in Xrd. In a big way
 

petran79

Banned
Tendonitis is much more common than CTS. If you play with bad posture/unnatural style you are much more prone to those type of symptoms. Both my hands were screwed up a couple of months ago. It went away after a few weeks. Pain was bad too.

I got it on the right shoulder, mainly because I used to press arcade stick buttons too fast and with force, so there were too many shocks to absorb. Also stick was set a little higher than usual

Now whenever I play on arcade stick I have it on my lap and I wear a protective glove, particularly this one

http://www.imakproducts.com/product.php?c=Computer+Comfort&s=11

Gamepad used to give me left thumb pain too, but after some exercise and swimming in summer it got away for the most part.
 
R has a show on nico nico right now where he just sits down with guests, drinks, and talks with them. It's been there for a while, but I'm wondering why american fgc don't do these types of shows? The american fgc does weekly tournaments, talk shows, etc... well, but I don't see them doing something like this. You would think doing a spin off of usual weekly talk shows like this would be a great idea for some fgc personalities to make their show different from the rest of the weekly shows that are being done.
 
R has a show on nico nico right now where he just sits down with guests, drinks, and talks with them. It's been there for a while, but I'm wondering why american fgc don't do these types of shows? The american fgc does weekly tournaments, talk shows, etc... well, but I don't see them doing something like this. You would think doing a spin off of usual weekly talk shows like this would be a great idea for some fgc personalities to make their show different from the rest of the weekly shows that are being done.

Dogface did this in the early days of SF4 but it never really took off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-SCEcK383A
 

LeMaximilian

Alligator F*ck House
Dogface did this in the early days of SF4 but it never really took off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-SCEcK383A

It's funny how most of my inspiration while making videos came from DogFace and his extremely pleasant on-screen attitude. Many years back, I tried to get him to join while making the classic Strider PSA vid with Cl0ck and Chensor. Sadly, nobody knew how to get a hold of the guy and he seemed to of had some important personal stuff that took him out of the scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot9LzUKjWx0
 

Spuck-uk

Banned
R has a show on nico nico right now where he just sits down with guests, drinks, and talks with them. It's been there for a while, but I'm wondering why american fgc don't do these types of shows? The american fgc does weekly tournaments, talk shows, etc... well, but I don't see them doing something like this. You would think doing a spin off of usual weekly talk shows like this would be a great idea for some fgc personalities to make their show different from the rest of the weekly shows that are being done.

To a degree ATP Live is like this.
 

Beesuit

Member
Clockwork vs Neo wouldn't have been the same without Dogface commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVTdAOb54xI

Dude was great. He left his mark and too bad he's moved on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YheBf8mA11w

Same with Dr.SubZero or Rockefellar or John D. That one episode where he takes over the Dogface show and interviews Renic and 5star is some of the greatest shit ever. Wish I could rewatch it again, but it's been sadly taken off the internet.
 

WarRock

Member
Made a shitty Steam grid icon for Fightcade if anyone is interested:
untitled-12vsgl.jpg


I once fell on my right hand as a kid - bent my ring finger all the way back to the point it literally touched the back of my hand.
I used to be able to this when younger. Just pulled my fingers straight to the back of the hand without any problems. Now only my pinky goes all the way, though some others still go pretty far.
 
What the fuck are you talking about? Max's post right above yours is a strong testament to the exact opposite.

Maybe my memory is just that fucked up. I know he had a good show, but I don't remember his reputation being something like current Mike Ross or Spooky that can bring viewers like nobody's business.

To a degree ATP Live is like this.

It's different. It's a regular talk show that I love to listen to but I mean having a talk show that has the guests live in person and all parties sit down, drink, and talk. Mike Ross and Gootecks were the closest to that kind of show (like dogface), but that was still different and more like a traditional in person talk show. My original comment that god's beard and kimo responded to is kind of irrelevant and unnecessary as the dogface show is different to what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about a very casual setting where people can chill out and talk. Hell it doesn't even have to be that way. I'm just saying that people should experiment more with different kind of variations to the shows Dogface, Cross Counter, etc... covered. Just think about tv and there is a lot of the same crap, but there is also a large variation to talk shows depending on the country. I see no reason why an established fgc member can't research and come up with a different talk show that isn't currently out there. It could very well be a variety show that Asia excels in just as long as it's not too costly.

Anyways, this is just me thinking out loud over what I think would be cool for the fgc to have.
 

kirblar

Member
Guilty Gear hasn't had a game in ages. It's been a dead IP. We noted when the game debuted that it had underwent a massive artstyle change that was now mimicking the mainstream anime styles of today like FMA. They clearly knew they were going to need to appeal to people who've never played a GG game before because it's highly likely the "09ers" never have. Sirlin does a great job of pointing out the mechanical changes that were also done to help ease barrier to entry for newer players.
 

Kimosabae

Banned
Guilty Gear hasn't had a game in ages. It's been a dead IP. We noted when the game debuted that it had underwent a massive artstyle change that was now mimicking the mainstream anime styles of today like FMA. They clearly knew they were going to need to appeal to people who've never played a GG game before because it's highly likely the "09ers" never have. Sirlin does a great job of pointing out the mechanical changes that were also done to help ease barrier to entry for newer players.

It was a great article and I truly respect Sirloin, but he often streaks with this pretension of authority on a subject he doesn't have. You can tell that his knowledge of Guilty Gear isn't where it needs to be to make some of the damning proclomations against AC/+R design decisions. I suspect he knows this on some level.

"I beat a bunch of asians by myself, once. I know what I'm talking about."

If that's not insecurity, I don't know what is.
 

Exr

Member
Dogface works in cartoons now right? He went to some network? Funny guy, very charismatic.
 

Jazz-ism

Banned
I just wish people would play the game more instead of talking about non gameplay shit. It flat out has the best tutorial in a fighting game since vf4evo probably and for a first entry in a new series its prob the most complete weve gotten in the past 4 years or so.... i dont get what ppls hang ups are
 

Kumubou

Member
I had some nasty RSI issues a few years back, but I'm fairly certain that was caused more by playing music-rhythm games (like Beatmania IIDX or Pop'n Music) than fighting games. Had to wear a wrist brace for a couple of years and go through some physical therapy for it, but thankfully I never had to have surgery to fix it.

So yeah, if you have a problem with your wrists/hands you probably should have that looked at. You can either pay the doctors now, or pay them later.

I just wish people would play the game more instead of talking about non gameplay shit. It flat out has the best tutorial in a fighting game since vf4evo probably and for a first entry in a new series its prob the most complete weve gotten in the past 4 years or so.... i dont get what ppls hang ups are
Honestly, for me it just comes down to not having a character in Xrd that I really want to play. :\ That and I really don't like how ArcSys conducts their business in general, and I would rather not deal with/support that at this point.
 
Playing on stick screws with my hands sooner than on pad. I could probably play all day on a pad, lol but I don't move my wrists as much which may help avoid strain.
I have the exact opposite problem heheh, probably due to the way I grip trigger buttons on pad.
 

QisTopTier

XisBannedTier
No, he said Ky has been boring in all of the last versions, and Xrd finally made him interesting.

I generally agree with what Sirlin wrote there.
I don't see how removing tools and giving him a gimmick that's worse than his old tools is interesting.

If his damage was the same as it's always been he would probably have ended up one of the worst characters with the changes.

He's almost copy pasta from reload ky.

Things he lost are uppercut fallow ups like sol, his 3 ex moves most notably the ex air dust which was something even better than mvc2 cables grenades, ex charge stun edge which was a fallow up command that blew it up it to a big as 5 hitting orb which you could then fallow up again and basically get a super from a standard special. His loss of frc cse letting him drag it into the air with him sucks, his loss of regaining jumps and air dashes after frc air stun edge sucks, and his loss of frc stun dipper after the first hit for a low cost get in sucks too.


I still really enjoy Xrd ky but he lost a crap ton of creative freedom with how you can play him. So no Sirlin is bad. And lol at the slayer thing.
 

4r5

Member
I like and dislike all the same Guilty Gear's and mechanics as Sirlin, help!


But for different reasons.
 
I enjoyed Sirlin's article. I disagree with him regarding Accent Core, but I agree with him regarding pretty much every other point. Particularly the option select stuff. I'm not a fan of option selects in general, so the fact that Xrd teaches you them in it's tutorial/mission mode makes me wonder if Street Fighter V will do the same thing...assuming it even has a tutorial.
 
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