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[Pristine_Condition]

What's really amazing is how Sony was able to sell that many systems without there being any games for it. Yes, there are games for the system but no big titles have been released yet (MGSV, UNCHARTED, PERSONA 5, STREET FIGHTER 5, etc) I mean, when these titles come out, those are just gonna sell way more consoles and push people to dive into the next generation that have been waiting for a reason to.

Your list of titles in an attempt to prove your notion that "no big titles have been released yet" are just titles you like -- many of which are not actual "big titles" at all compared to titles like the COD games, sports games like FIFA and Madden, Destiny, GTA, ect. Which have actually released on the system. So I don't see how you are helping your case here.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

What's really amazing is how Sony was able to sell that many systems without there being any games for it. Yes, there are games for the system.

LOL I can't.

Also, COD, FIFA, Battlefield, Batman, MGSV, Final Fantasy, Assassin's Creed....these games will sell more PS4's than any of the games you mentioned in your post.

 

[klee123]

The fact that amazes me is the constant "gaming on PC is cheaper as I buy everything on sale on Steam or humble bundles"... as if it was a sustainable thing for developers which are arrogant greedy people that prey on ignorant console idiots...

It does amuse the hell out me when people mention of the massive steam userbase, when I wouldn't be surprised if a large chunk of them buy games when they're heavily discounted.

That alone is why majority of the publishers prioritize the console versions first.

 

[geordiemp]

Halo 3, 4, and Reach account for over 20 million. If we are going by sales of previous games then Halo 5 should sell more than UC4.

How did halo MCC do ?

TLOU sold over 10 million...

Halo got big because it was one of the best coop shooters in town...and its multilayer...and has declined for a while...Maybe Halo 5 will resurrect fortunes...who knows...

Now there is Destiny giving a similar fix and Borderlands to name just 2 in coop, and multiplayer well you know the players....

Will Halo big as big going forward....also look at COD decline...

 

[mazpratim]

also look at COD decline...

Is CoD even declining that much? It's only the start of a generation and sales for the series are still ridiculously high, right?

 

[IndoAssassin]

How did halo MCC do ?

TLOU sold over 10 million...

Halo got big because it was one of the best coop shooters in town...and its multilayer...and has declined for a while...Maybe Halo 5 will resurrect fortunes...who knows...

Now there is Destiny giving a similar fix and Borderlands to name just 2 in coop, and multiplayer well you know the players....

Will Halo big as big going forward....also look at COD decline...

I'm just saying I find using sales from the previous gen of a franchise to predict new gen version sales, not a good metric. Isn't it somewhere around half the current PS4 userbase that never owned a PS3? So if these people never played the Unchartef games, what will entice them to get UC4, considering the trilogy wasn't enough to push them to get a PS3?

The only good comparison of sales would be how Halo MCC does, compared to an Uncharted trilogy remaster. TLOU is a completely different game compared to Uncharted. Apocalyptic zombie game vs Indiana Jones.

I just don't see UC4 doing over 3 million during lauch week sell through. Shipped I can see. People claiming 7 million I find are getting their hopes up way too high, lifetime it will probably reach it, but launch window seems crazy.

 

[Aquamarine]

Is CoD even declining that much? It's only the start of a generation and sales for the series are still ridiculously high, right?

First month USA NPD Call of Duty sales:

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Nov. 2009) - 6.1 million

Call of Duty: Black Ops (Nov. 2010) - 8.4 million

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (Nov. 2011) - 9.0 million

Call of Duty: Black Ops II (Nov. 2012) - 7.4 million

Call of Duty: Ghosts (Nov. 2013) - 6.1 million

Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare (Nov. 2014) - 4.7 million

 

[IndoAssassin]

First month USA NPD Call of Duty sales:

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Nov. 2009) - 6.1 million

Call of Duty: Black Ops (Nov. 2010) - 8.4 million

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (Nov. 2011) - 9.0 million

Call of Duty: Black Ops II (Nov. 2012) - 7.4 million

Call of Duty: Ghosts (Nov. 2013) - 6.1 million

Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare (Nov. 2014) - 4.7 million

Maybe this will push Activision to come up with a new franchise they can run into the ground lol.

 

[stryke]

Maybe this will push Activision to come up with a new franchise they can run into the ground lol.

It's called Destiny.

 

[IndoAssassin]

It's called Destiny.

Yah but they can't do a yearly $60 release with it since it's not inhouse.

 

[pa22word]

Maybe this will push Activision to come up with a new franchise they can run into the ground lol.

I think the activision guys are probably looking at AW and saying "well, the community fucking hated ghosts and it was a new entry from a new studio, so maybe once Black Ops 3 hits and everyone has a known name and dev behind it they'll come out of the woodwork again and CoD will be fine!"


But if this new game from Trey continues the trend and does worse than AW did...

 

[Valentus]

What's really amazing is how Sony was able to sell that many systems without there being any games for it. Yes, there are games for the system but no big titles have been released yet (MGSV, UNCHARTED, PERSONA 5, STREET FIGHTER 5, etc) I mean, when these titles come out, those are just gonna sell way more consoles and push people to dive into the next generation that have been waiting for a reason to.

Since when Persona is a big name?

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Is CoD even declining that much? It's only the start of a generation and sales for the series are still ridiculously high, right?

You joking? COD sales have declined significantly over the past 3-4 years.

EDIT: Aquamarine's post tells you everything. Series is in terminal decline imho.

 

[mazpratim]

You joking? COD sales have declined significantly over the past 3-4 years.

EDIT: Aquamarine's post tells you everything. Series is in terminal decline imho.

Sorry, I hadn't been paying too much attention to video game sales until 2013ish

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Sorry, I hadn't been paying too much attention to video game sales until 2013ish

Not your fault.

Tbh I wish the same decline would happen to FIFA too. Shake things up positively.

 

[Javin98]

Sorry to everyone as this is completely off topic.

You guessed that that Javin98 was born in 1998. Reasonable deduction.

You then wish him a happy belated birthday, if it past recently...Because he was born in the year of 1998...

Sorry just need to check, as I am a little worried that only people born in that particular year are allowed birthdays

Don't know what exactly you're getting at here, but my birthday was in January and I'm 17 now. That's it. Simple as that. I'm not some entitled person who is allowed birthdays in 1998 or anything. But enough about my personal information, get back on topic

 

[StevieP]

It does amuse the hell out me when people mention of the massive steam userbase, when I wouldn't be surprised if a large chunk of them buy games when they're heavily discounted.

That alone is why majority of the publishers prioritize the console versions first.

The ecosystem on pc is much healthier in general than the consoles. There's a reason why there's a much healthier presence there from publishers who are more traditionally focused on fleecing console gamers with yearly franchise entries. Those same publishers are finding dollars on the open platform, even if it's not the same amount. The money's spread around a lot more though

 

[Amentallica]

Speaking of Call of Duty, it seems that with every iteration I look back on the previous title more fondly. Since MW2 I've been thinking that each new iteration is the worst until the NEXT COD game releases, and then I retroactively remember the previous title more fondly. I just did this with Advanced Warfare. I never thought I'd like Ghosts more than any of the other titles, but boy, I was wrong.

Spoiler

I think it shits on AW, but not by much.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

I would be shocked if it does that well in one week. But in this case it would be a nice shock.

I do think UC can become their trademark online mp game series though. Moreso than Killzone or any other of their halo/cod-like experiments. This will benefit the ps4 hardware sales momentum as well.

7 Million?
No way

OK so I'll say in the first 2 months instead. But by time it comes our that'd be 1 out of 4/5 ps4's would have it

 

[Massa]

You joking? COD sales have declined significantly over the past 3-4 years.

EDIT: Aquamarine's post tells you everything. Series is in terminal decline imho.

I wouldn't put the word terminal anywhere near the best selling retail game of 2014. AW also seems to have had better a much better reception than Ghosts, and this year should be a good one with Black Ops 3, so we'll see how it goes.

The next-gen split transition was also not a good thing for Call of Duty, as groups of friends usually end up separated as some people upgrade and some don't, some move to PS4 and some to Xbox One. This inevitably leads some people to just skipping the games altogether.

 

[aerts1js]

360 never really dominated the ps3 and in the last 2-3 years of ps3 life cycle their was a clear change in perception/momentum toward the ps3 which carried on over to the ps4.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

Yah but they can't do a yearly $60 release with it since it's not inhouse.

That's what a million poor expansion DLCs are for!

 

[Skynet87]

What I should have said is, it's amazing how Sony can sell that much systems with no big EXCLUSIVE titles. I mean the first big real exclusive was the order...and i honestly don't think that did/will sell many consoles.

 

[wmlk]

lol, "big titles" and you include Persona 5 among that list.

Persona 5 is a much smaller game compared to those listed, but it also caters to an audience that those games will never reach. I think it's important in that regard.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

lol, "big titles" and you include Persona 5 among that list.

Since when Persona is a big name?

When Persona 5 can make it in the top 4 most anticipated games of 2015 voted by the users on the PlayStation Blog, beating Metal Gear Solid 5, I think we can say it's a "big title" in a sense, even if it's not a multi-million seller.

 

[gruenel]

What I should have said is, it's amazing how Sony can sell that much systems with no big EXCLUSIVE titles. I mean the first big real exclusive was the order...and i honestly don't think that did/will sell many consoles.

That's because no one in the real world gives a shit whether a game is exclusive or not.

 

[Game4life]

First month USA NPD Call of Duty sales:

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Nov. 2009) - 6.1 million

Call of Duty: Black Ops (Nov. 2010) - 8.4 million

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (Nov. 2011) - 9.0 million

Call of Duty: Black Ops II (Nov. 2012) - 7.4 million

Call of Duty: Ghosts (Nov. 2013) - 6.1 million

Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare (Nov. 2014) - 4.7 million

Not a fair comparison given the differences in install bases for consoles at the time of AW release.

 

[Aquamarine]

Not a fair comparison given the differences in install bases for consoles at the time of AW release.

They also had a much smaller installbase at launch. Didn't stop COD: Ghosts from selling 1.4 million more copies opening month than AW.

 

[slapnuts]

That's INSANE, MAN

 

[slapnuts]

But I thought consoles were dead?

Said the arm chair xperts

 

[boredandlazy]

But I thought consoles were dead?

People are still reading too much into these sales figures...

 

[The Artisan]

That's because no one in the real world gives a shit whether a game is exclusive or not.

That's not true. Why would Ps4/xbone owners not be excited for their exclusive IP's upcoming titles?

 

[Ambient80]

They also had a much smaller installbase at launch. Didn't stop COD: Ghosts from selling 1.4 million more copies opening month than AW.

While all of that is true, wasn't AW still like the #1 or #2 best selling game every month until recently? I mean, yeah its first month sales are declining, but it has still sold a shit ton. "Terminal decline" is a bit hyperbolic, imo. More like a return to the mean. It was also top selling game of 2014 iirc.

 

[Aquamarine]

While all of that is true, wasn't AW still like the #1 or #2 best selling game every month until recently? I mean, yeah its first month sales are declining, but it has still sold a shit ton. "Terminal decline" is a bit hyperbolic, imo. More like a return to the mean. It was also top selling game of 2014 iirc.

Call of Duty is still selling very well, that's true.

And part of the decline is due to a greater digital spend this year than last year on COD products.

But it is giving Activision a cause for concern. Activision lives for yearly growth, and YOY declines get them very worried. So the ~20% LTD decline in both Skylanders and Call of Duty is a cause for alarm just because of how sensitive they are to those kinds of things.

 

[Elfstruck]

Halo 3, 4, and Reach account for over 20 million. If we are going by sales of previous games then Halo 5 should sell more than UC4.

You should take into account how many x1 are sold by the time H5 release. I dont think it has an attach rate of 50% or more.

 

[Bastables]

People are still reading too much into these sales figures...

Yeah I'm waiting for Ars technica latest: High sales mean nothing, draw no conclusions lades and gentlemen.

 

[stryke]

When Persona 5 can make it in the top 4 most anticipated games of 2015 voted by the users on the PlayStation Blog, beating Metal Gear Solid 5, I think we can say it's a "big title" in a sense, even if it's not a multi-million seller.

I like Persona too and don't care much about Metal Gear but that's irrelevant, just like that biased poll. We're talking numbers and sales here and Persona just isn't league with those other titles.

 

[AmyS]

Look at it this way, with PS4 doing so well, it'll push Microsoft to do their bestest with the next Xbox in 4-5 years.

 

[wmlk]

I like Persona too and don't care much about Metal Gear but that's irrelevant, just like that biased poll. We're talking numbers and sales here and Persona just isn't league with those other titles.

If we're talking about games that can sell systems, then P5 is a really important game. It won't sell the most, but plenty of people will buy a system to play the game.

 

[Stone Ocean]

What's really amazing is how Sony was able to sell that many systems without there being any games for it. Yes, there are games for the system but no big titles have been released yet (MGSV, UNCHARTED, PERSONA 5, STREET FIGHTER 5, etc) I mean, when these titles come out, those are just gonna sell way more consoles and push people to dive into the next generation that have been waiting for a reason to.

No big titles what

It had like 10 AAA million sellers. The general populace doesn't give a damn about Persona, nor will Street Fighter move more consoles than whatever the fuck Ubisoft/Activision/EA are cooking for this year.

 

[Elfstruck]

I like Persona too and don't care much about Metal Gear but that's irrelevant, just like that biased poll. We're talking numbers and sales here and Persona just isn't league with those other titles.

Looks like I'm not the only one who only care about P5 and not MGS

 

[IndoAssassin]

You should take into account how many x1 are sold by the time H5 release. I dont think it has an attach rate of 50% or more.

I was just proving a point to people who expect 7 million sales of UC4 in first week.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I like Persona too and don't care much about Metal Gear but that's irrelevant, just like that biased poll. We're talking numbers and sales here and Persona just isn't league with those other titles.

Are we just talking numbers and sales? Platform perception is clearly significant, and when the PlayStation 4 is touted as the only current generation platform where Persona 5 can be played, that will be important for the consumers it caters to. It's definitely not in league with those other games in terms of sales, but it's also disingenuous to say that Persona 5 isn't "big." I think if we could call Bloodborne "big", Persona 5 fits that mold as well.

 

[Ambient80]

Call of Duty is still selling very well, that's true.

And part of the decline is due to a greater digital spend this year than last year on COD products.

But it is giving Activision a cause for concern. Activision lives for yearly growth, and YOY declines get them very worried. So the ~20% LTD decline in both Skylanders and Call of Duty is a cause for alarm just because of how sensitive they are to those kinds of things.

Quite true. I could sort of understand them being a bit worried as well, I mean those two franchises are cash cows for them.

The CoD community went from BO2 which was pretty solid, to Ghosts which was a train wreck. It was like going from drinking a fine wine to drinking bath water. Now we have AW, which is pretty solid and introduces some interesting new mechanics (I still like BO2 better, but I also think BO2 is the best entry period). So now we're going to be coming off of a good entry in the series before the next one releases (BO2? WaW2? We don't know yet but I'm betting BO3). My theory is that first month sales for AW were a bit slower because people were burned by Ghosts. Now that the community has accepted AW as being decent (from what I've heard and seen, anyway), they'll be more likely to buy whatever the next entry is (plus it'll be from Treyarch, which has been the better CoD dev for quite some time anyway).

If my theory is correct, we'll see a bump in first month sales in CoD this November. Higher than Ghosts, maybe slightly above or below BO2. I know some folks want the franchise to die already, but this train is far from derailing, and in fact is still moving along well at an intense pace.

 

[Super_Cobra]

Quite true. I could sort of understand them being a bit worried as well, I mean those two franchises are cash cows for them.

The CoD community went from BO2 which was pretty solid, to Ghosts which was a train wreck. It was like going from drinking a fine wine to drinking bath water. Now we have AW, which is pretty solid and introduces some interesting new mechanics (I still like BO2 better, but I also think BO2 is the best entry period). So now we're going to be coming off of a good entry in the series before the next one releases (BO2? WaW2? We don't know yet but I'm betting BO3). My theory is that first month sales for AW were a bit slower because people were burned by Ghosts. Now that the community has accepted AW as being decent (from what I've heard and seen, anyway), they'll be more likely to buy whatever the next entry is (plus it'll be from Treyarch, which has been the better CoD dev for quite some time anyway).

If my theory is correct, we'll see a bump in first month sales in CoD this November. Higher than Ghosts, maybe slightly above or below BO2. I know some folks want the franchise to die already, but this train is far from derailing, and in fact is still moving along well at an intense pace.

I actually hated blops 2 more than blops 1. The only thing that saved blops 1 for me was zombies. MW2 is what really pushed cod even further after cod4.

 

[FATALITY]

When Persona 5 can make it in the top 4 most anticipated games of 2015 voted by the users on the PlayStation Blog, beating Metal Gear Solid 5, I think we can say it's a "big title" in a sense, even if it's not a multi-million seller.

the difference is: casuals players know metal gear, fifa, cod at least where im from but they dont know persona, demons souls etc
so this polls for "informed gamers" doesnt mean much

 

[FluxWaveZ]

the difference is: casuals players know metal gear, fifa, cod at least where im from but they dont know persona, demons souls etc

Precisely. So? I'm talking in relative terms, not Call of Duty, Madden, Destiny or GTA terms.

so this informed gamers poll doesnt mean much

It means that it's a "big" title that a segment of the enthusiast fanbase is clearly excited for. Those are the kinds of games that serve to move the platform forward, just like a Bloodborne or a Bayonetta 2. Not every game has to be an Uncharted 4 or a Halo 5 to be considered meaningful for the platform.

 

[Ambient80]

I actually hated blops 2 more than blops 1. The only thing that saved blops 1 for me was zombies. MW2 is what really pushed cod even further after cod4.

What! Hah, I loved Blops2 man. The maps and weapons were just perfect for me. Gimme an MP9 (or was it 5? can't remember now) and a laser sight and let's have some fun

But, MW2 was great, too, can't fault you there.

Sorry for taking this OT btw. I start talking about something then I get too interested in it and get carried away

 

[system11]

You joking? COD sales have declined significantly over the past 3-4 years.

EDIT: Aquamarine's post tells you everything. Series is in terminal decline imho.

Look at it from the other perspective - despite coming off the back of Ghosts, which was a poor CoD game, AW still managed to outsell everything else for the entire year.

If they'd just ported BLOPS2 I'd still be playing it.

 

[FATALITY]

Precisely. So? I'm talking in relative terms, not Call of Duty, Madden, Destiny or GTA terms.

oh all right.