DarkLordMalik
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Some dev commented in the AF thread that Sony was working on providing an easy fix, and letting devs know how to implement it properly on PS4. Seems like it is working.
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DF Performance Analysis: Dark Souls 2 The Scholar of the First Sin (PS4 vs. XB1)
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I don't think they want to fix it. I thought they were just upping the durability for weapons across the board.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Maybe they will patch the X1 version to run a bit better - Don't seem like no reason it can't handle the game with higher FPS. DS2 isn't really a technical achievement - could just be poor optimization on the X1 version.
I don't think X1 owners should feel bad about picking it up.
Edit: After watching the video, certainly seems like the X1 could use some work - there are areas where nothing is going on and the frame dips a bit, doesn't seem right but all in all doesn't seem all that bad.
I don't think X1 owners should feel bad about picking it up.
Edit: After watching the video, certainly seems like the X1 could use some work - there are areas where nothing is going on and the frame dips a bit, doesn't seem right but all in all doesn't seem all that bad.
I surely don't, as it's not like it is some lag fest. It maintains around 60 fps for the most part and I am more than fine with that.
I was actually watching a stream of the Xbox One version yesterday and the guy streaming kept commenting on how smooth and beautiful it was compared to the last-gen version. You could see it as well.
Did you watch the performance video? It's blatantly clear that the Xbone version drops when you've got enemies on screen, while PS4 remains significantly more stable and remains at 60 pretty reliably. I don't see what you're trying to defend here, because it's a lost cause. Just watch the video and you'll see how much better the PS4 runs it.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Why? I think they're performing pretty well lately considering the performance gap.
Alcoholikaust
Member
to capitalize on the gamers without a PS4 that want a 'souls/bloodborne-like' fix
PS4 the best console version of course. XB1 owners of course should have nothing to worry about. The framerate is still far higher than the last gen versions at all times, plus with full 1080p and much higher res textures and graphical effects.
Indeed. It is going to be great.
digitalrelic
Banned
Every time another one of these threads pops up and I wonder why I bothered buying my XO. For MCC? Haha, that turned out real well. Oh well. Maybe I'll get some use out of it with Halo 5.
What i don't understand is why people all of a sudden turned into FPS counters all of a sudden this gen. "omg Dark souls 2 drops frames like 2 percent of the time out of 20 thousand frames!? SHITTY PORT!"
Uh no , that's within margin of basically every 3D 60fps game on console ever. There are basically almost zero locked 60fps games in console history, but apparently a few drops suddenly means the port is bad.
We're talking machines that aren't so powerful to begin with, these performance metrics arent unexpected.
If we were back in the PS1 days, people would be absolutely surprised how many games ran at 30 and below, let alone a stable 60.
All i can say is that if you care THAT MUCH about absolutely locked with zero dips performance, your better off playing on PC. Cause there's no way devs can be that strict on rendering under budget all the time that they dont lower framerate in stressful scenes
Only genre where that is actually the case in games is fighting games, in which case dynamic res to ensure 60fps fluidity is the way to go
I may have! Thanks.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
So is this drop during boss fight or after boss fight?
Windom Earle
Member
Pretty cool of Thomas to check this so quickly.
KainXVIII
Member
Really? Interesting to hear!
Caayn
Member
After the boss fight, it drops for barely two seconds.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Well i guess i know why then
From maybe thinking "well you just beat the boss and what player need to do is stand there for few seconds to get souls, who care the frame drops"
So i bet they won't fix it.
True. But the hiccups that are caused by a drop could mess up some combat encounters.
DarthWalden
Banned
I mostly just get annoyed with comments like this that assume X1 owners had no idea what they were getting into when they opted to pick up third party games on the weaker console
Khaos_Knight
Banned
Yeah, I blame them being relatively underpowered due to MS and Sony going with shitty AMD tech instead of going the godly Intel+Nvidia route.
Varjis
Member
This.
Krusenstern
Banned
Maybe it's intentional actually. Surely they would have fixed it by now if it was a bug.
UnrealEck
Member
I'll just go ahead and repeat myself by copying and pasting the post you just quoted. This time, please read it:
"Framerate drops below 60 immediately on PS4 as well depending on how many enemies there are. (only a couple more)"
It looks like I made it clear enough that the PS4 version also drops below 60 FPS immediately when there's just a couple more enemies on screen than the Xbox One. This was in reply to someone saying the Xbox drops below 60 immediately when there's enemies on screen. I am saying quite clearly that the PS4 version does this too, it just takes a couple more enemies to do it.
Stone Ocean
Member
If it's intentional then it's fucking stupid
Durability in DS2 is a major pain in the ass
psychotron
Member
I am loving Bloodborne. Should I buy this game? Is it harder or easier?
The AMD SoC route was much more in line with what they wanted to do this gen:
1. Keep things in a smaller TDP envelope to limit failure rates
2. Sell hardware at cost or a slight profit so they don't have to lose money and dig themselves out of a hole
It's disappointing in some respect, but I completely understand why they made the choices they did.
I own both systems and have yet to see a massive difference or some big power gap that is worth me splitting hairs over. I know it's there on paper, but I am just not seeing it play out in the real to any significant degree. Hell, there are even instances where the PS4 takes a hit, which is indeed odd. But I am not going to take it any further than that, as I am loving both systems just fine.
You're awesome! Thanks!
I agree, when the email showed up in my inbox from him within 2 hours of my mailing DF I was like "Damn!"
I half expected no one would be paying attention to the email and I might get a canned response in a week.
Then again, this is why I visit Digital Foundry as much as I do. Quality stuff.
Magic Mushroom
Member
I think it depends per player. It's mostly different.
Godly, lol. You cannot be serious. The only thing godly would the the increased $100 in cost with no performance gain.
NVidia burned their bridges with both Sony and Microsoft.
Intel doesn't want to work with anyone else to produce consoles (they also don't need to).
Windom Earle
Member
Well, Intel CPUs are godly compared to what AMD is putting out... GPUs IMO as well, but that is debatable.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
The engine's FXAA option looks ok when combined with 3840x2160 resolution.
Were the PS3/360 your first consoles or something?
PS2 had a crapton of 60FPS games and it was the standard for racing and action games.
60FPS was definitely a thing on consoles.
Dictator93
Member
Vanilla DS PC:
PS4
Hard to tell if the epth of field is actually different. They changed the focal plane in this shot (forgeground is in focus vs the background).
In comparison, foreground DOF in Vanilla DS PC (which has bokeh shapes in it):
DarthWalden
Banned
Same boat here... I'm still picking this one up on Xbox regardless of the larger framerate dips... I personally was just glad to see that it actually hit the 1080P resolution after it not really being confirmed. I'm right into Bloodborne right now though so it'll be probably a few weeks or longer before I get around to playing this.
I was following next gen PR and news for years up to release and i barely ever heard a thing about FPS or res outside of rumors and speculation by people who didn't know what they were even talking about.
AMD once said years before the consoles dropped that they would do avatar in real time. which was obviously bullshit
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/AMD-Says-Xbox-720-Have-Avatar-Quality-Graphics-33537.html
And Shahid said close to release that 1080p and 60fps was a thing(which is true, we do have tons of 1080p games, and way more 60fps games to start then last gen)
https://twitter.com/shahidkamal/status/400013318309814273
Outside of that, i don't recall ever hearing anything about 1080p 60fps outside of console owners expecting high end PC performance that you were getting in 7th gen from PC from multiplatform ports, which of course this is one.
From actually seems to value AF highly. It's good in Bloodborne as well. Wasn't expecting that from them.
Yeah, I'm surprised (and pleased) myself. More devs should prioritize AF as it has a significant impact on IQ.
Backfoggen
Banned
They got tons and tons of great art that would get drowned out with bad AF.
DarthWalden
Banned
REALLY? it's been a pretty big deal this generation... You don't remember MS proudly touting that forza 5 was 1080p/60 FPS at the Xbox reveal or E3... How about Adam Boyes proudly getting on stage at EAs press conference last year to proudly state that
battlefield Hardline would be 1080p/60...
Prior to this generation I knew very little about framerate and resolution. It's been so front and center thanks to the media, fanboys, and PR that I'm now pretty well versed in it... Ignorance is Bliss however.
Now we have all these remaster touting next gen visuals with 1080p and 60fps... That alone is selling people on games now.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Are DLCs on disc ? I want it on PS4 since this is the easiest souls game to platinum.
LOL, it seems like we're back to chasing the 1080p/60 dream on consoles. I, for one, love that we have been getting quite a large amount of 1080p/60 games which look great IMO (Metro Redux, TLOU:R, MGSV) on PS4 but hoping that it becomes a standard is pure insanity.
P.S. Not referring to anyone hoping for it, just speaking in general.
P.S. Not referring to anyone hoping for it, just speaking in general.