FunkyPajamas
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Demon's Souls HD included.
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Bloodborne sold through more than 1 million units worldwide as of April 5
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Manmademan
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yes, yes it is. NPD doesn't, but in the broader discussion, lifetime sales includes multiple SKUs and bundles.
I'm not aware of any official sales figures that break down game sales "by sku." you think the official sales figures of 17 million for the Uncharted Series doesn't include multiple SKUs, GOTY editions, Greatest Hits Editions, multipacks, and bundled units? that would certainly be something- but extremely unlikely for Sony to do when announcing "official" sales for Flagship series.
I doubt "free" copies given away via PS+ find their way into such numbers, but everything else is fair game, really.
SolicitorPirate
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"The game won't sell well! It's too niche!"
"What? It broke a million? I-I'm sure lots of people will return it once they find out how difficult it is!"
"70% of players beat the first boss? Well, it's still not real blockbuster numbers!"
Seriously, ever since the early threads about BB sales numbers, there has been this weird undercurrent of denial that the Souls games have achieved a level of mainstream popularity. Time to face the facts guys, you're no longer a member of a special, exclusive club for liking Souls. A hella lot of people do now.
"What? It broke a million? I-I'm sure lots of people will return it once they find out how difficult it is!"
"70% of players beat the first boss? Well, it's still not real blockbuster numbers!"
Seriously, ever since the early threads about BB sales numbers, there has been this weird undercurrent of denial that the Souls games have achieved a level of mainstream popularity. Time to face the facts guys, you're no longer a member of a special, exclusive club for liking Souls. A hella lot of people do now.
Congrats Sony and FROM!
In a somewhat related news, anyone ever figure out the name of the song used in the "Project Beast" reveal trailer? I've listened to the Bloodborne OST and couldn't find a similar song in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx8KTIeSnzs
In a somewhat related news, anyone ever figure out the name of the song used in the "Project Beast" reveal trailer? I've listened to the Bloodborne OST and couldn't find a similar song in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx8KTIeSnzs
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
my perspective is different in that yes, I do have official sales figures broken out by SKU. also estimated revenue by country ::shrug::
Like I said, i bet someone NPD would be 450k in U.S debut. I'd love to be wrong. most industry friends of mine were predicting lower. If it's higher, I'll be stoked.
either way, huge win for them.
do i think they'll sell thru 3 MM units world wide? I'll be shocked and super surprised.
But I'm all for being surprised. I'm a fan, and been a fan of their work since king's field for psx in the U.S. I'm also logical and grounded in reality haha.
Manmademan
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can't disagree with this. It's definitely a "core" game now, though I wouldn't say it's truly a mass market title. It's not going to be putting up Halo, Mario, or Gran Turismo numbers.
The difficulty I think is overstated as well. it's not easy, but once upon a time ALL games would bust your balls like this. Getting a "game over" a dozen times a stage in the 8 or 16 bit era was nothing.
I actually think 450K NPD is on the high side- there was definitely a supply shortage and Sony undershipped it. A higher percentage of the week 1 sales are going to be digital than usual I think and not reflected.
but 3MM worldwide? Even if they didn't bundle the game it should sleepwalk to that number. You have to REALLY try to find a PS3 exclusive with any kind of budget that failed to hit the 2-3 million sales level. What do you really have in that tier? Heavenly Sword? KillZone 3? Puppeteer? MAG? Lair?
were any of those games anywhere close to throwing up 1+ million copies in 12 days?
it's called BloodBorne OST - Cleric Beast
Edit: oops yeah I just realized it's different at the end.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Souls / Bloodborne is like the navy seals training
" 80% of you will not pass this course!!' "
It is the challenge that brings the elite to the class but only the strongest making it all the way through. But even if you fail, everyone takes something away from it and most will come back the next time around to try again
" 80% of you will not pass this course!!' "
It is the challenge that brings the elite to the class but only the strongest making it all the way through. But even if you fail, everyone takes something away from it and most will come back the next time around to try again
Ah yes, I remember halfway through the Cleric Beast fight I heard the first half of this song. I wonder what the 2nd half of the song is called....
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Bloodborne is going to be super front loaded. It's the nature of a game like that. It had all the Souls fans rush out to get it day one, and then had the more mainstream gamer pick it up because of the campaign and reviews. That campaign is a launch campaign and the review buzz will end the minute another good game comes out.
and you're mistaking shipment and sell thru of your other examples.
case in point... killzone 3 sold through like 1.7MM world wide. that's very far from your 3MM number there.
SolidSnakex
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It's amazing to see just how much the game changed from Project Beast to Bloodborne. It really looks like PB was designed for the PS3.
Manmademan
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Disagree, since the souls games are actually NOT super front loaded. Demon's souls had incredible legs. Dark Souls and DS2 also had "expanded" editions that included DLC that will also continue to move copies. I expect no different from BB- unless Sony is crazy and hates money.
you mistake me. I mentioned Killzone 3 as a game that FAILED to hit that level- and for good reason. Reviews were not good (edit: reviews were average, lets say), the FPS userbase was on the 360 (Sony is not known for making good FPS games and Live's matchmaking was flat out better for those games) and it's initial sales were nowhere in the same league as bloodborne's 1+ million in 12 days.
Again, there are PS3 exclusive games that failed to hit 2 or 3 million, but none of them had stellar reviews, word of mouth, expensive television ad campaigns, or a #1 selling platform all to themselves with no competition- let alone all four.
Expecting BB to put up KZ3 numbers is simply unrealistic.
Another thing to consider in your NPD prediction is that Bloodborne seems to have done extremely well on PSN. It has nearly as many ratings as Dying Light already, and far more than most other PS4 releases this year.
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Glad it's doing so well! One if my all time favorites and I'd love some good DLC and a sequel.
ProfessorMoran
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You can't spell FROM without ROM.
Just sayin.
Just sayin.
It's also the reason why Sony didn't show it during TGS 2013 despite Demonite leaving hints during that period.
Had it been shown then, whilst Souls fans would have went crazy over the trailer, the non fans and mainstream would just shit on it due to the spotty framerate and last gen graphics.
Insomniac wanted to own the IP but Sony never publishes content that it does not own so Sony declined. This has nothing to do with Insomniac betting on the wrong horse.
We have always counted bundled games for ltd of games I think. In all those Mario Kart Wii 36 million or GTA V 50 million talks for example bundled games are counted.
ProfessorMoran
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Owning the IP is going to do absolutely nothing for you if the game doesn't sell and you're left holding an IP nobody wants to publish or fund, retaining the IP alone would not be the only reason you would go with a publisher or a platform holder for that matter, Insomniac would have expected sunset overdrive to sell well on the xbone especially when it's exclusive to only one platform, so yes, they bet on the wrong horse. Often when an IP underperforms, you don't get a second shot.
Anytime you're going with a platform holder, you're making a bet that it's the right choice, regardless of whether you own the IP or not, in FROM's case they chose a good partner for both Demon's Souls and Bloodborne.
Patapwn
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Really? The overwhelming forecast of MS domination for nextgen didn't play a part in jumping ship? Come on now...
I do believe that IP ownership was a nice caveat for them and this argument helped on the PR front with fans over 'betraylation' but the deal with Microsoft was way more strategic than simply owning a name.
StrongBlackVine
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12 days.
tokilamockingbrd
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It is interesting to compare the past 6 months and new IPs from Isomaniac and From. Both games are great , but the devs bet on different horses and the sales haved turned out quite differently.
Insomniac couldn't bet on PS4 even if they wanted to without relinquishing IP ownership.
This post is so full of shit its incredible. Literally every interview with Price and most of insomniac was that they wanted to make games with the help of publisher funding, but wanted to own the IP. Since Sony owns the IP on all of their exclusives Insomniac decided to go third party which resulted in FUSE and Sunset Overdrive, funny enough two IPs they own. Funny how that works.
BaraSailey
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Damn impressive, especially since it's a PS4 exclusive. Congrats to From, definitely well deserved; I can't get enough of the game 
ProfessorMoran
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How has owning those two IPs worked out for them exactly?
What do you think the actual purpose of owning those IPs was financially for a developer like Insomniac?
What would be the point of owning the IPs if they don't sell?
Insomniac bet on EA as a publisher, they bet on ms as a publisher and platform holder, they were probably hoping the IPs would sell above expectations based on EA's marketing and ms' platform strength, both times they made the wrong bet, pure and simple.
Why not go back to EA partners if owning the IP is the only thing that matters when you can keep your IP and target more than one platform? Why go exclusive if you don't think the one platform you choose well outperform the other?
When you're picking a platform holder as your publisher, you're betting on that platform to be successful and that in turn will help your game to sell. That worked out well for FROM, not so much for Insomniac.
Especially when the IP isn't really worth anything but that's hindsight.
I'd be very surprised if we saw a SO2 unless MS was going to fund it.
I would pop a boner so big, you'd be able to see it from space.
Nightengale
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The other question is whether or not EA Partners would even want to fund another Insomniac game after FUSE.
Icyflamez96
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Pretty sure the general consensus is very positive.
I know you're saying it's your opinion that it's a bad game, but saying "surely some people like it" kinda made it seem like you're unaware of praise it gets. So just fyi
ugh_the_boot
Banned
This is great news but I really don't want From to change anything about the way they make these games. They are absolutely perfect and I don't want bigger studios (more staff), hype and consumerism getting in the way of their artistic integrity which imo is flawless.
I believe it both these cases the platform holder approached the developer. So the only way these games would exist is on those specific platform holders. Your reasoning does not apply.
Icyflamez96
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The point is, they wanted to own the IP they worked on, and Microsoft let them do that. Whether it worked out well for them was completely besides the point.
EGOMON
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That is just PR talk, all Dev use it to dodge "why you choose X over Y?" Question same with strategic relationship or we want to focus on 1 platform for now... etc
StrongBlackVine
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Well Insomniac kind of hedged their bets by making the Ratchet & Clank remake/re-imagining for PS4. It will probably sell more than Sunset Overdrive did. They definitely left for greener pastures and got burned though.
Ninja Scooter
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THis idea that there is a right way and wrong way to do "exclusives" is just ridiculous and always leads to pointless arguments.
RustyNails
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Dont remind me. It took me 3 days to beat that stupid boss.
Nightengale
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Except since IP ownership actually benefits the developers as a company long-term ( it gives them ownership of a creative asset), it's probably the most solid answer feasible when it's there.
PR bullshit is when devs talk about cloud expertise as a reason to partner, when the game isn't doing anything revolutionary at all.
Nightengale
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The 'better' way to do exclusives is when money creates something out of nothing.
Be it funding ports or funding games altogether. Anything that is net positive is ideally better.
vinnygambini
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XxRampage07xX
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Wow the frame rate was really bad in this trailer. Luckily, From has improved it greatly in the retail version.
Hey I think Vicar in Project Beast looks much better than in Bloodborne. Why did From not keep that design? It looks so cool imo.
SappYoda
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Are IP really that important? Looking at the souls series. They created a new IP at least 3 times and that did not stop from at having success.
Do you mean the monster that is in the grand cathedral in this trailer? It's still in the game, it just got moved elsewhere.
Lys Skygge
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XxRampage07xX
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Oh!
Nightengale
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It adds value to a company. Some people/creators want to own their babies/creation. Also, if something hits big outside of just gaming, it's the IP owners that benefit.
Importance of IP really depends on the company and leadership of said company.
Speaking about From IP's, is Dark Souls owned by Namco?
Nightengale
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If I'm not wrong...
Dark Souls IP : owned by FROM
Dark Souls 1/2 : either owned by Bamco, or they own the publishing rights.
IF I'M NOT WRONG.