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[SpartanN92]

I need to ask a question boss. Why has Halo never had bots for multiplayer? It would really help with online achievements that become impossible to get when the population dies off and also if servers are shut down. It's one of the best parts of Gears. I really think Halo should have them.

Well the MP BTB reveal will "Incorporate all elements of the Halo sandbox."

Sounds like at least FireFight esque bots or Titanfall style bots but I could be looking too deep into that quote.

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

Well the MP BTB reveal will "Incorporate all elements of the Halo sandbox."

Sounds like at least FireFight esque bots or Titanfall style bots but I could be looking too deep into that quote.

Uhm that just sounds like a battlefield conquest kind of mode. Bots should never be in a pvp match. It was pointless in Titanfall.

 

[Madness]

But Madness, that is the GAF way!

Yeah, nothing's perfect, and there's plenty of merit towards discussing things that you aren't happy with (otherwise nothing ever gets changed). There's a point, though, where it just kills any enjoyment you're having with your hobby. I've been making an effort towards being more positive myself as of late.

Yeah. I mean I get the frustration and anger when something you like is cut or is changed. I lost my shit when the ADS gif happened and still hate the ADS. Nothing will change that. But it won't overshadow the fun I had with the beta, the changes coming, the campaign, all sorts of stuff like dedicated servers for the whole game etc.

It's one thing if something leaks and it shows a negative. But when you have a massive reveal, tons of info, it's crazy to me that the threads with all the info die off, but a thread solely dedicated to one negative gets double the pages. But it's whatever. I know I'm going to stay positive, I only hurt myself and this hobby of mine by being negative all the time. Just kills the passion and hype.

 

[Madness]

Uhm that just sounds like a battlefield conquest kind of mode. Bots should never be in a pvp match. It was pointless in Titanfall.

Double post but yes. I hated TitanFall because of the bots. Easily the worst part of the game. I can understand some kind of training mode or like Perfect Dark in the past where you could have Dark Agent level AI to fight against for fun. But to mix PvP and Bots, not for me. Maybe they can do it in some new Invasion meets Firefight mode. Something that is separate from 4v4, BTB etc.

 

[Ramirez]

Yea, hopefully there's no AI in the new MP mode, that shit is lame.

 

[kittens]

Well the MP BTB reveal will "Incorporate all elements of the Halo sandbox."

Sounds like at least FireFight esque bots or Titanfall style bots but I could be looking too deep into that quote.

I think it might mean things like Scarabs and Pelicans will be in MP for the first time. Or maybe space battles (hopefully not imo). Who knows, though.

Double post but yes. I hated TitanFall because of the bots. Easily the worst part of the game. I can understand some kind of training mode or like Perfect Dark in the past where you could have Dark Agent level AI to fight against for fun. But to mix PvP and Bots, not for me. Maybe they can do it in some new Invasion meets Firefight mode. Something that is separate from 4v4, BTB etc.

Yup, agreed.

 

[SpartanN92]

Uhm that just sounds like a battlefield conquest kind of mode. Bots should never be in a pvp match. It was pointless in Titanfall.

Remember how reach had 2v2 firefight? The team with Elites had the firefight bots on their side? Thats how I am interpreting it but I might be ways off base here.

 

[rrc1594]

I want spacebattles!

 

[kittens]

I want spacebattles!

But... Why? It's by nature completely separate from the rest of the Halo sandbox. Like, yeah, it'd be awesome, but I see it being better as a fully fleshed out spin-off game. Which is an idea I could totally get behind.

I could see space battles working in campaign fine, but it keep it away from PvP.

 

[Compsiox]

I want spacebattles!

I want 64v64 in a space carrier

 

[rrc1594]

But... Why? It's by nature completely separate from the rest of the Halo sandbox. Like, yeah, it'd be awesome, but I see it being better as a fully fleshed out spin-off game. Which is an idea I could totally get behind.

I could see space battles working in campaign fine, but it keep it away from PvP.

I know but every since Reach, I wanted space battles in Halo. It's EA's fault for not having it Star Wars!

 

[Princess Carl]

I know but every since Reach, I wanted space battles in Halo. It's EA's fault for not having it Star Wars!

Bungie's cock tease for destiny 3. We'll have to wait another 7 years probably, but I'm sure it'll show up eventually.

It was probably ready for Destiny 1 but Activision didn't want to have a game's worth of content in one game.

 

[SpartanN92]

Bungie's cock tease for destiny 3. We'll have to wait another 7 years probably, but I'm sure it'll show up eventually.

It was probably ready for Destiny 1 but Activision didn't want to have a game's worth of content in one game.

Gotta save that for the 8th $40 expansion.

 

[AfroDust]

I don't think we ever made any such claim. That was MCC.

Oh. I could have sworn. Well I'm happy with whatever resolution it ends up at. Though I'm sure it'll be at least 900p and I'm totally okay with that.

 

[Captain Friendo]

What's this about an original rocket launcher skin, or am I missing some dank meme here?

 

[Twin Tails]

Halo 5 RL

OLD RL

 

[The Baron Count]

Halo 5 RL
OLD RL

Okay, yeah. Really not digging that.

 

[Captain Friendo]

Halo 5 RL
OLD RL

No sorry yeah I know, I was just hearing that the old rocket would come back as a skin or something which would have been cool since i'm not fond of the H5 one thus far.

 

[nib95]

I actually prefer the look of the Halo 5 RL. Looks more streamlined, tactical and realistic. The old one looks a bit cartoon over the top in comparison.

 

[wwm0nkey]

I actually prefer the look of the Halo 5 RL. Looks more streamlined, tactical and realistic. The old one looks a bit cartoon over the top in comparison.

Why does it have to be realistic? OG had style

 

[The Baron Count]

Why does it have to be realistic? OG had style

This is how I feel as well. One is distinctive, the other is not.

 

[Ramirez]

Bungie's cock tease for destiny 3. We'll have to wait another 7 years probably, but I'm sure it'll show up eventually.

It was probably ready for Destiny 1 but Activision didn't want to have a game's worth of content in one game.

hahaha, holy shit.

 

[El_Chino]

I actually prefer the look of the Halo 5 RL. Looks more streamlined, tactical and realistic. The old one looks a bit cartoon over the top in comparison.

Nothing about Halo is realistic.

 

[Dreadnought]

I actually prefer the look of the Halo 5 RL. Looks more streamlined, tactical and realistic. The old one looks a bit cartoon over the top in comparison.

Gotta have that realism while fighting space aliens

 

[The Baron Count]

Nothing about Halo is realistic.

I don't think that is entirely true. One of the reasons the universe is as popular as it is is because of how Bungie have always combined a quasi realistic, believable setting with over the top gameplay.

 

[Glass]

I'm not too bothered now the classic is back in the game itself. And it'll be the better RL, even if it'll be rarer. The Keyes Halo CE pistol was a good community idea for another.

 

[Captain Friendo]

I'm not too bothered now the classic is back in the game itself. And it'll be the better RL, even if it'll be rarer. The Keyes Halo CE pistol was a good community idea for another.

Where did they say the original was coming back? I'd honestly love a BR-55 skin.

 

[RSB]

Halo 5 RL
OLD RL

Oh yeah, the Generic Green Tube is much better, definetly. The SPNKR is too iconic and Halo-ish.

Spoiler

At least the SPNKR is coming back as a legendary weapon... better than nothing I guess.

 

[soulassssns]

I like variety in my weapons. Just look at the hundreds of thousands of different looking weapons there are in the world.

 

[Kibbles]

Yea, hopefully there's no AI in the new MP mode, that shit is lame.

QFT. I want massive PvP battles if we are going to have some crazy new BTB mode. They were dumb as hell in Titanfall, don't want to see them again.

 

[Glass]

Where did they say the original was coming back? I'd honestly love a BR-55 skin.

It was mentioned in this post beta feedback blog post, about halfway down:

Some of the other improvements that we’ll be making to weapons in the game follow:
Bring back the SPNKr Rocket Launcher as a legendary version of the weapon

Remembering back to when the blog was released, the changes really did read like a check list of every concern brought up with the beta.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/...ped-shape-the-multiplayer-of-halo-5-guardians

 

[Captain Friendo]

It was mentioned in this post beta feedback blog post, about halfway down:



Remembering back to when the blog was released, the changes really did read like a check list of every concern brought up with the beta.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/...ped-shape-the-multiplayer-of-halo-5-guardians

Thanks, yeah that whole blog actually makes me feel a lot better about MP in general. Glad to see SPnKr's coming back.

 

[rokkerkory]

Halo 5 RL
OLD RL

I like the dual spinning canon more

 

[Abinash117]

Spread change when shooting a wall is a bit different to shooting at another player, there's a lot more to the accuracy of a weapon than just spread. The increased red reticule range in zoom has a far greater effect than the slight spread reduction. The point I was making was that at range, Halo has always required you to zoom in.

The addition of zoom has never really been present on automatic weapons though so the comparisons between the beta and the older games don't really work. Like I said above, the addition of smart scope does change it up a bit. I'd argue that the AR was definitely not as effective as the BR at range though, any competent player with a BR could beat an AR user at mid range. That said, the addition of zoom means a player with an AR can somewhat effectively defend themselves at range, which I think is a good addition.

It should be noted by the way that they have apparently increased the spread of automatics in zoom since the beta and have removed the headshot bonus.

I was mainly focusing on the part were you said spread reduced in when zoomed in other halo games which is mostly false. I don't think spread is really all that different(considering the BR is inconsistent still in some halo games) when it comes to being on target; just the bullet magnetism and aim assist would be different obviously, but I think the randomness on were the bullet lands on target is still there. We don't know how final the changes are, 343 can still possibly tweak it again.

 

[Ominym]

I actually prefer the look of the Halo 5 RL. Looks more streamlined, tactical and realistic. The old one looks a bit cartoon over the top in comparison.

Because when I play Halo, it's for the realism.

 

[AllIsOneIsNone]

I don't really care about the look of the rocket launcher. And honestly, change is always welcome for me. Led Zeppelin, for example, is a great band, but when I hear stairway to heaven 5000 times, it gets old. I don't care if 343 changes it up.

 

[soulassssns]

Because when I play Halo, it's for the realism.

For him maybe, so what is your issue with his preference?

 

[Blueblur1]

Without even considering the Spnkr, the H5 Rocket Launcher looks like a turd. It looks like it belongs in Call of Duty and not Halo. A cool looking Rocket Launcher is not hard to design. Destiny has quite a few rocket launchers with good designs so it isn't impossible.

 

[Madness]

I don't really care about the look of the rocket launcher. And honestly, change is always welcome for me. Led Zeppelin, for example, is a great band, but when I hear stairway to heaven 5000 times, it gets old. I don't care if 343 changes it up.

But change just for change, I don't know. There was nothing wrong with the old rocket launcher. Look at photos of the Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 2 Anniversary rocket launcher models. Could have easily put a scope on it for the ADS mode. I think there even is a faux scope on the H4 I believe?

That being said, they knew fans didn't like the change, and Josh used one of the comments about perhaps bringing it back as a legendary version that probably will do more splash damage or something else.

It's obvious they want to go for a more gritty look, to compete with other shooters. It's why the pistol is now like matte black instead of silver. It's fine if you don't care about the looks at all, but some of us feel certain looks are iconic and have been from the start. If you're gonna change one, you might as well change all.

 

[scabro]

that rocket launcher design is so generic

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Is Sprinkles going to be on stage doing the demo?

 

[soulassssns]

that rocket launcher design is so generic

Have you seen real rocket launchers? Lol

 

[The Baron Count]

Have you seen real rocket launchers? Lol

I think that's their point.

 

[soulassssns]

I think that's their point.

I think not.

 

[The Baron Count]

I think not.

The thing to me looks like any rocket launcher from any other sci-fi game out there, which is to say that it's a good design that tries to look futuristic while potentially having a look that these weapons would realistically have in the future.

It's just that it's not really distinctive at all and the original is iconic at this point. I just don't see how swapping an iconic design that people love with one that looks like the rest of the pack is a good thing.

Feels like change for the sake of change.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

I really hope BTB is similar in scale to the Battlefield games. I want 32 v 32 with 6 of each vehicle on every map for total carnage and mayhem.

/dreams

 

[The Baron Count]

I really hope BTB is similar in scale to the Battlefield games. I want 32 v 32 with 6 of each vehicle on every map for total carnage and mayhem.

/dreams

Certainly something that I have been wanting for a long time. Especially with the smaller focus on BTB that the games seem to have taken in recent years.

 

[krang]

I would love for them to announce MP space battles in Halo 5.

Spoiler

Just to see the fallout when it's finally revealed Battlefront won't have them.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Certainly something that I have been wanting for a long time. Especially with the smaller focus on BTB that the games seem to have taken in recent years.

Yeah I know, Halo is supposed to be about huge, epic space battles yet we've never really seen that in multi. Infact I've always found it a bit pedestrian.

Hopefully teh cloud can take care of it for us

 

[Stacey]

BTB on MCC is dead, why would 343 waste resources on a game mode that no one plays?