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[supernormal]

Oh, I agree.

They are doing a brilliant job on what it actually is, and expanding naturally on what worked for the previous games. I'm not saying at all that these super-setpiece moments should somehow be open.

In fact, you can clearly see what is very much a "funnel" in level design in this video.

It starts with a shootout in the market, with different covers and possibilities. You jump into a car, and it has different paths and possibilities while being chased by the truck. Slowly, you make your way down and the level funnels into a chase to the convoy, again with some different paths. Eventually it funnels further into the rope sequence, then the truck, then the car again, all very linear. It all boils over in a shooting-only sequence with no camera-control to top it all off.

It's a very natural, impressive way to slowly take control away from the player as the stakes go up and the director takes over to show you what's happening.

They've mastered the linear setpiece -- as a PART of a more deep, thorough gameplay experience. I couldn't ask for more.

Well, I can ask for couch multiplayer

Excellent point. It's very different to cut from "full-on" gameplay straight to cut-scene or quicktime, than to do it the way ND has done it in this demo. Slowly taking control from the player step by step until they actually reach a cutscene in the end.

 

[De_Legend]

graphically, rotr still looks more impressive to me.

Please stop lol

 

[KKRT00]

I know you are a knowleageable tech fellow (crytek etc), were you impressed? Considering the limitations of course.

In terms of tech is basically the same as E3 for me. This one just has more crazy camera work and some more polish in individual assets.
Looks awesome though if thats You mean Am i more impressed than other games showed recently? Not really, this one just have more polish in art and better balance of what looks cool over raw tech.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

graphically, rotr still looks more impressive to me.

1% of the legally blind agree with you.

 

[BluenoseGames]

graphically, rotr still looks more impressive to me.

What . I didn't find this demo impressive but no one in there right mind can say that RotTR demo graphically looked better.

 

[The Artisan]

Please stop lol

stop what? having an opinion?

1% of the legally blind agree with you.

source?

What . I didn't find this demo impressive but no one in there right mind can say that RotTR demo graphically looked better.

it might have just been because of the environments and particle effects. you didn't find this demo impressive graphically?

 

[Aeroglyphics]

An improved photo mode was confirmed!

This is a little of topic but I really wish Sony put photo mode into their PS4 SDK.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Damn that was incredible.

 

[BluenoseGames]

stop what? having an opinion?

source?

it might have just been because of the environments and particle effects. you didn't find this demo impressive graphically?

No UC4 demo wasn't that impressive for me but graphically it was outstanding.

 

[Portugeezer]

Wow.

 

[Loakum]

Is Emily rose still the voice of Elena? Sounds different.

Yes, she's still voicing Elena.

 

[Vaga]

 

[xenorevlis]

So you've played this game already? Amazing how you guys don't realize the obvious flaw in this line of thinking.

Sorry for not thinking this looks fun from what I've seen. I see that is simply not allowed around here to the point where people have to make up personal attacks to discredit unwanted opinions.

Unsurprised.

Personal attack? You basically do this in any thread for major game that you haven't played so I was just telling that person to move on rather then try to argue with you.

Also, having played all the previous Uncharted games gives me and anyone the ability to share an ancillary observation that it "looks fun" even though I'm not talking about it from a mechanical standpoint. Saying the gameplay itself is "not fun" without having played it is quite a bit different, and like watching someone who drives an F1 car when you never have that what they are doing is easy or lame. It has no foundation.

 

[lukeskymac]

graphically, rotr still looks more impressive to me.

You really think this

Looks better than this?

 

[Loakum]

You really think this

Looks better than this?

Maybe he only likes ashen haired gurls..

 

[The Artisan]

You really think this

Looks better than this?

the environments, maybe not so much the character models.

 

[reKon]

graphically, rotr still looks more impressive to me.

In what way? I've only seen the first part of this E3 demo as well as the PSX extend gameplay.

Tomb Raider looks nice, but Unchated 4 just goes full stupid with it's physics in a good way it's dynamic like TLoU was, but pumped up 110%.

If Tomb Raider doesn't have the similar type of cat and mouse gameplay that we got a glimpse at, there's no way I see how it would more impressive from a pure combat stand point.

What I'm more interested in is how Tomb Raider will compare to TLoU in terms of that survival gameplay.

EDIT: I read your post above. I agree that Lara's character model looks really nice (mainly her face and the animation). I don't think the other characters was as good though.

 

[Rodney McKay]

His face combined with the body movements is giving me a tiny bit of LA Noire flashbacks.

Don't get me wrong, this looks WAY better than that (probably thanks to doing facial capture and motion capture simultaneously like I think they do in the Uncharted games), but something just looks a little off about it.

 

[De_Legend]

You really think this

Looks better than this?

Nah man, more snow in TR, more particlesz, more pretty.

 

[Always-honest]

A mad man sees what he sees.
- Ned Stark

Lol

 

[GribbleGrunger]

the environments, maybe not so much the character models.

The environments? You're winding people up on purpose fella. lol

 

[lukeskymac]

the environments, maybe not so much the character models.

...okay, can you give me an example from that same demo?

 

[Servbot24]

I think this is one of those times that an opinion is just flat out wrong.

 

[CHC]

You really think this

Looks better than this?

Splitting hairs, both look amazing. But based off the demo showings and previous series entries, it doesn't seem there is much competition for the better game overall.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I think this is one of those times that an opinion is just flat out wrong.

Well it's one of those things where it's not really a defensible opinion. If you say "I prefer the aesthetic and environments in RotR," many (if not most) people would think you're crazy. But that's an opinion and you're more than entitled to it. But from a graphically impressive standpoint, it just seems like UC4 is matter of fact more impressive. He'll be hard pressed to prove otherwise.

 

[DieH@rd]

The smoke when that truck explodes, holy hell.

Many games use pre-rendered particle effects for their set pieces. Devs calculate HQ version of effect on beefy hardware, and then they just play that pre-made effect in-game. Look at that as a very fancy "sprite animation". No heavy processing by the game is needed.
http://media.giphy.com/media/ngJq4s0UYMK08/giphy.gif

 

[igordennis]

Not really, this one just have more polish in art and better balance of what looks cool over raw tech.

Thanks, so its the Naughty Dog Touch(tm) that makes the difference in the end. Tech is not everything and Naughty Dog always nails these details.

 

[Guymelef]

graphically, rotr still looks more impressive to me.

he

 

[KKRT00]

Thanks, so its the Naughty Dog Touch(tm) that makes the difference in the end. Tech is not everything and Naughty Dog always nails these details.

Oh yes they do. Though i still dont like their over-exaggerated yellowish explosion effect that they are using since U2. I thought its a limitation of their HDR tech, but now with PBR, they still stick with it. Oh well, its definitely recognizable thing for the series.

Well it's one of those things where it's not really a defensible opinion. If you say "I prefer the aesthetic and environments in RotR," many (if not most) people would think you're crazy. But that's an opinion and you're more than entitled to it. But from a graphically impressive standpoint, it just seems like UC4 is matter of fact more impressive. He'll be hard pressed to prove otherwise.

Unless, You are graphics technology nut, then You can say that Tomb Raider trailer part with water simulation is better than anything done in U4 demo.
I still dont know how they achieved that fluid simulation, it will be really interesting to find out. Maybe they are using something like Geocache tech for it, dunno.

 

[De_Legend]

Unless, You are graphics technology nut, then You can say that Tomb Raider trailer part with water simulation is better than anything done in U4 demo.
I still dont know how they achieved that fluid simulation, it will be really interesting to find out. Maybe they are using something like Geocache tech for it, dunno.

Maybe UC4 has it too, dunno.

 

[dark_prinny]

 

[Game4life]

Didn't say that at all. I never said open world. I said sandbox. You can have a linear game with an interesting sandbox consisting of unique weapons, vehicles, ai, and environmental interactions.

Well what do you know - You have everything you asked for right here that looks more fluid than any other TPS ever made

https://youtu.be/Ow2cL-pp6p8?t=488

 

[lukeskymac]

Splitting hairs, both look amazing. But based off the demo showings and previous series entries, it doesn't seem there is much competition for the better game overall.

Really? TR's lighting is flatter, Lara looks like a doll, and her jacket's textures look awful. It's not like there's anything else going on this scene either.

 

[Nibel]

Why do some of you need to shit on ROTR to feel better about UC4? I agree that it doesn't look as good, but still above the average and close to it. Come on.

Besides, dat ice tech is pretty impressive.

 

[Reebot]

well I won't say who's guess is any more accurate, but the point I'd challenge is ND not killing Drake simply for the legacy of the franchise. If the story wants Drake dead, I think ND will most certainly follow through with it.

Zero percent chance Nate dies - its not even Naughty Dog's call with something this big. Sony would never allow a front runner franchise like this to loose its leading man.

But good odds that the brother doesn't make it through.

 

[Game4life]

Why do some of you need to shit on ROTR to feel better about UC4? I agree that it doesn't look as good, but still above the average and close to it. Come on.

Besides, dat ice tech is pretty impressive.

The snow in last generations uc2 looked better than ROTR..

 

[Piggus]

the environments, maybe not so much the character models.

lol, for example? Tomb Raider looks good but UC4 is on another level.

 

[daveo42]

You really think this

Looks better than this?

One looks pretty good and the other looks absolutely amazing. Then again, one is a cross-gen, multiple platform release while the other is made by a 1st party studio with a lot of time on a single piece of hardware.

ND still one of the best devs out there with what they can feasibly tease out of something considered a "mid-tier PC with a tablet CPU". Quite frankly, it's astounding.

 

[lukeskymac]

Why do some of you need to shit on ROTR to feel better about UC4? I agree that it doesn't look as good, but still above the average and close to it. Come on.

Besides, dat ice tech is pretty impressive.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but I'm not the one that brought ROTR into this thread. And you'd have to be blind not to notice stuff like the textures.

The snow in last generations uc2 looked better than ROTR..

Was about to say that too.

 

[KKRT00]

Really? TR's lighting is flatter, Lara looks like a doll, and her jacket's textures look awful. It's not like there's anything else going on this scene either.

Textures are actually quite high res, at least cloth shader on them, but for some reason there are some shots or angles when its blurred like its low res. Maybe some problem with snow shader itself or texture filtering.
http://images.gamersyde.com/image_rise_of_the_tomb_raider-27559-2982_0011.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/image_rise_of_the_tomb_raider-27559-2982_0010.jpg

 

[Nafai1123]

Why do some of you need to shit on ROTR to feel better about UC4? I agree that it doesn't look as good, but still above the average and close to it. Come on.

Besides, dat ice tech is pretty impressive.

I don't see anyone "shitting" on ROTR in here. I just see people disagreeing with a controversial opinion.

 

[Yurikerr]

Textures are actually quite high res, at least cloth shader on them, but for some reason there are some shots or angles when its blurred like its low res. Maybe some problem with snow shader itself or texture filtering.
http://images.gamersyde.com/image_rise_of_the_tomb_raider-27559-2982_0011.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/image_rise_of_the_tomb_raider-27559-2982_0010.jpg

I don't think the red jacket texture on the second pic is very good....maybe is the screenshot that's really blurred.

Edit: Ow, now i understood the purpose of the second pic. It was to show how the material seems different from one scene to other.

About your post before, what water part are you referring?

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Why do some of you need to shit on ROTR to feel better about UC4? I agree that it doesn't look as good, but still above the average and close to it. Come on.

Besides, dat ice tech is pretty impressive.

It's being shat on because someone claimed it was more impressive than UC4. In which case you agree with the pushback here, that in fact it does not look better..

 

[CHC]

Really? TR's lighting is flatter, Lara looks like a doll, and her jacket's textures look awful. It's not like there's anything else going on this scene either.

I'm just talking overall. The demo LOOKED amazing, the problem is just that it was totally moored to the tropes of last gen and had awful writing. None of the characters seemed like people I would want to be around if given the choice, and the action was predictable scripted junk, just a lot of "press X to awesome." The graphics were good but it takes more than that, the game itself looked awful.

 

[KKRT00]

Btw U2 snow is just nostalgia talking
http://projetojogatina.org/screenshots/uploads/PS3_uncharted-2-among-thieves.jpg

I don't think the red jacket textute on the second pic is very good....maybe is the screenshot that's really blurred.

Edit: Ow, now i understood the purpose of the second pic. It was to show how the material seems different from one scene to other.

About your post before, what water part are you referring?

If You look closely You can see nice pattern of the jacket.
Water part - https://youtu.be/tezE_2f4ZAc?t=39
And it looks like real-time cutscene, because of the LoD transition on the ground rocks.

 

[LastNac]

posted by Eggbock in the Sam chase thread:

I hope that is all on the stick, i.e. you are the one pushing Drake through the vehicle like you were in the UC3 plain.

 

[Yurikerr]

Btw U2 snow is just nostalgia talking
http://projetojogatina.org/screenshots/uploads/PS3_uncharted-2-among-thieves.jpg



If You look closely You can see nice pattern of the jacket.
Water part - https://youtu.be/tezE_2f4ZAc?t=39
And it looks like real-time cutscene, because of the LoD transition on the ground rocks.

Thanks! Yes, the physics are really impressive, but i don't know why i don't like the visual aspect of the water. It looks like mercury..

 

[DieH@rd]

If You look closely You can see nice pattern of the jacket.
Water part - https://youtu.be/tezE_2f4ZAc?t=39
And it looks like real-time cutscene, because of the LoD transition on the ground rocks.

Water is pre-calculated for that specific scene in which user does not have control of the camera. Fancy detailed and well lit video effect that is played back when engine requests it.

Many AAA developers are starting to use such techniques this gen.

 

[KORNdoggy]

This has blown my mind. The small nuanced details are SO far ahead of the competion it doesn't even seem fair. Why can ND do this stuff and no-one else can?

 

[lukeskymac]

Btw U2 snow is just nostalgia talking
http://projetojogatina.org/screenshots/uploads/PS3_uncharted-2-among-thieves.jpg

Good job picking the first screenshot on a Google search without the snow trail.

Anyway, I was talking about the snow on his hair and clothes, as well as the snow that's falling. TR's trail is better (though UC's exists as well, ahem), but really underwhelming for the hardware it's on.

If You look closely You can see nice pattern of the jacket.
Water part - https://youtu.be/tezE_2f4ZAc?t=39
And it looks like real-time cutscene, because of the LoD transition on the ground rocks.

Uh, that water looks clearly faked - just like the UC4 PSX waterfall.