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MGSV: Konami Offline Tax for players who opt out of FOBs
- Thread starter FranXico
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Because of this tax?
Nah, Quiet is the best. There's nothing better than going on your 100th prisoner extraction mission, sitting on a hill, having Quiet finish the mission, then fulton everyone away.
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I keep getting hit with taxes for logging off. It's not 100K we're talking but like 300K. WTF Konami. This really impacts my grind through missions I S ranked the first time in order to get specialists.
Loaded up my game and I'm suddenly in the red. Had other stuff developing last night with 200k left in the bank. Didn''t go offline at all.
Link?
RadioHeadAche
Member
I haven't played since Sunday, which was online. Should I just stay offline the next time I play, or just stick with being online? I would like to 100% this, by the way, as I have all the other Metal Gear plats.
GreyOcelot
Member
if anything, you'll have an easier time 100% the game if you log-in each time you play to maximize resources
RadioHeadAche
Member
Thanks. Every time I check this thread, the reports are worse.
UncleCross
Member
They're greatly exaggerated. Been playing the last 3-4 weeks (100 hours or so) and haven't run into any of these "issues" . GMP has never been in the red, whether offline or online. Built the most basic FOB and haven't lost a single thing, nor been invaded. Haven't had to buy any microtransactions.
I don't like online games, but the online portion of this game has had basically no effect on my single player experience, other than giving me additional room for more staff.
http://www.cheathappens.com/20550-PC-Metal_Gear_Solid_V_The_Phantom_Pain_cheats
Plenty more it can do but all the other cheats just take the fun/challenge/suspense out of the game so the GMP is the only one I've bothered with.
To encourage online play and this indirectly dlc sales, Konami transferred a majority of everyone's resources into an inaccessible online cloud.
In effect, the player now actively loses collected materials unless they go online.
If that is true, this game should be nowhere near GOTY lists.
They've actively ruined the game for late adopters.
DrunkShogun
Member
A lot of odd shenanigans have made mgs v hard to root for. Was easily the most anticipated game for multiple years and I can't even finish the game completely. Bloodborne took this year for me. Mgs v is still good to play btw.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
i wrote a pretty big post a few pages back, should be easy to find.. kinda discovers and explains much or most of it. last page someone else wrote an even more clearer and simpler large summary, too. but to put it quick...
tax really isn't the best word for it in the sense that you're not losing anything per se... no in theory at least, though in practice you can.
basically, the game let's you spend based on offline/online totals, but it charges the cost to just offline amount. so if you have 10 total and spend 3, but the online/offline split is 1/9... then online you're not at 7 but offline you're at -2.
you can kinda see it here: (just a basic example)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImCyZE8IFs
basically it transfers a lot portion of your stuff online, and sort of holds it hostage by charging only your offline account.. further, it only lets you sell offline amounts, also holding a large portion of your resources hostage. it could be seen as a sort of tax in the sense that, your online account takes your offline account, in the sense that if you try to play exclusively offline, it feels like a tax in practice. technically though it's just a transfer... nothing disappears. it's just held hostage online.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Man so i can't even sell online shit?
Geez. Does anyone know if deleting the patches will 'fix' this?
Geez. Does anyone know if deleting the patches will 'fix' this?
BlitzerRadic
Member
This is incorrect. You can spend your online resources. You have to be online to do it. I explained exactly how online/offline resources work in a post a few pages back.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
You can't sell online resources tho
Spring-Loaded
Member
Maybe. If the effects of being online occur when you agree to the ToS, the yeah. MGO is a separate option on the title menu though.
texhnolyze
Banned
It's definitely not on my GOTY list, at least not at the top. I'll be disappointed in GAF if it gets the crown.
More developers will follow Konami's step if gamers just accept this blindly.
BlitzerRadic
Member
Yes you can. I've done it plenty of times.
unknownhero
Member
yeah, this is far from GoTY
for me, it's witcher 3
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Nope. I have 18 mortars, sold the 2 I can sell, and then nothing.
Unless you mean having to exit the game and reenter the game, in which case fuuuuck that.
I can't, all my vehicles are greyed out. It won't let me sell past my local resource amount for metal, fuel, etc either
BlitzerRadic
Member
You don't have to exit, the game will periodically move online resources back offline after a certain period of time as long as you trigger checkpoints.
In any case, GMP is super easy to acquire. I hit the 5m offline cap regularly anyways, so I dont know why it even matters if you can only sell 2 mortars at a time.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Hellwarden
Member
Konami is determined to take this already unfinished troubled game, and punch in into the ground even more. This recent change doesn't make it okay, it's just confusing gamers even more.
That's determination in some regards. Konami is determined to be the biggest shittiest most confusing company it can be.
That's determination in some regards. Konami is determined to be the biggest shittiest most confusing company it can be.
Coreda
Member
It's an unwanted and unnecessary change that adds zero value to owners of the game and locks a percentage of obtained resources online. Yeah, why does that even matter?
BlitzerRadic
Member
It's only stupid if you have to rely on selling mortars for GMP. Here's a hint, build your FOB, deploy your combat teams, farm resources and you will never need to fulton a jeep again.
I hit the max limit for common plants just from combat missions alone, and I can sell those to sell GMP if I ever need to. I'm at the point where I develop gear just to get rid of GMP.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Or I want to sell this 5000 precious metal I have that I'll never use. Without having to hit checkpoints and waiting for the server to give it back.
Game will automatically transfer resources from FOB after you emptied your MB resources. Also after the last maintenance, you can use your online resources to develop items & build build mother base & FOB .
So there's nothing to worry i guess.FOR NOW. They kinda fixed the idiotic FOB online resources.
So there's nothing to worry i guess.FOR NOW. They kinda fixed the idiotic FOB online resources.
Graphics Horse
Member
Just logged in when the server was down, shitloads of gmp in the Red. great...
the lengths people go to defend a a "not a big deal" change that is designed to gimp existing customers' experiences and attempt to /pave road for extracting more micro transactions money is amusing.
Berserker976
Member
Well that was lovely.
I decided to pop into the game and do some free roaming / side ops in Africa. A few minutes after I landed I got a message that my connection failed because the servers went down for maintenance. At the time I didn't think anything of it, but after running around doing side ops for a while I got back in the helicopter only to discover morale had dropped and people had started leaving because the entire time I was in the red.
So thanks Konami, and fuck you too.
I decided to pop into the game and do some free roaming / side ops in Africa. A few minutes after I landed I got a message that my connection failed because the servers went down for maintenance. At the time I didn't think anything of it, but after running around doing side ops for a while I got back in the helicopter only to discover morale had dropped and people had started leaving because the entire time I was in the red.
So thanks Konami, and fuck you too.
Graphics Horse
Member
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Graphics Horse
Member
Fuck knows.
It's effectively held online, so you do get it back but anytime you're offline either by choice or otherwise, you aren't able to access most of your money (to the point of being put into debt somehow) and you're unable to sell most of your resources (which used to be the easiest way of getting out of debt)
They just seem to take the money without any reason. I lost over 2 million GMP yesterday just because. Then if you ever go offline most of your resources will be locked out since they put almost everything in online base making this game more or less always online experience.
short version: Konami decides to take a large portion of all your assets online 1 month after launch like it or not, and the max cap of what you can have is lowered offline. The reason is obvious to me that Konami wants to passive aggressively force people to get online, get involved into the FOB game, and hopefully sell some micro transactions along the way.
I didn't realize how bad this actually was. Lost about 3 million gmp and a shit ton of resources. I'm really concerned about the long term viability of playing this game in let's say 10 years. I know it's random but this is the first metal gear to have such a huge reliance on online. Maybe they'll patch things to make them more reasonable later but Konami.
Considering the game was fine at launch and that they patched this shit in month after release I don't think they are going to fix this. It is weird that patches should make games usually better but Konami decided to make the game worse.
you will be fine, lower limits wouldn't have you notice much if you just start since it's the "new standard". It only causes you to spend more unnecessary time fulton specific things when you want to just fuck around by wasting a couple of vehicles a time due to the (much) lower limits you can have offline now, instead of fulton whenever you like and have stockpiles of them in your disposal, allowing you to mess around as you please.
Well, just think of a free to play game where your fun is limited due to not enough space for something and you would understand the general gist.