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[allan-bh]

i'm skeptical, npd got aqua in a roundabout way banned and suddenly they have an assumed rep feeding numbers like candy

it's odd

If NPD_George numbers are real, doesn't mean he works for NPD, in fact I'm pretty sure he's not (And he never claimed that).

 

[Tubie]

Oh. My. God. What did I just wake up to?

If NPD_George is for real then I can't even begin to process those numbers.

935k WITH bundles?

391k Bomba for AC?

 

[Chû Totoro]

i'm skeptical, npd got aqua in a roundabout way banned and suddenly they have an assumed rep feeding numbers like candy

it's odd

Better give numbers you want to give and get peace than don't have any control and maybe piss some clients

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Uhh what's so funny about what I said. Those numbers are way lower than anyone thought especially given the PR MS released. I don't see why the idea of making a thread is laughable.

I'm just laughing at the thirst some of you have for these sales to be confirmed.

Its like - 'Holy shit! Halo 5 tanked, start a thread so we can all talk about it, post funny gifs, post memes about 343 killing Halo and generally revel in the glory of it all.'

I find this funny

 

[Hanmik]

What time precisely?

12.58 UK time.

where George gave us the number before.. half hour or something like that.

 

[JaggedSac]

Someone hack the gaf mod terminal. I haven't dumped enough points into that skill so I can't do master terminals yet so someone else will have to do it. There should be 3 log entries detailing what happened this week on there.

 

[slavesnyder]

12.58 UK time.

Zhuge has no access to NPD data

 

[igordennis]

I'm just laughing at the thirst some of you have for these sales to be confirmed.

Its like - 'Holy shit! Halo 5 tanked, start a thread so we can all talk about it, post funny gifs, post memes about 343 killing Halo and generally revel in the glory of it all.'

I find this funny

It would be funny though, mainly because of the meltdowns and spin that would happen. It wouldn't be a pretty thread though.

 

[Madness]

It just makes no sense? If halo 5 was under a million including bundles for sales, how did it generate $400 million hardware and software? If you make 1 million Halo 5 limited edition sales of the game, which is $99 each, it's only $99 million, 305k let's say are all the Halo 5 $500 bundles, is $152 million. There's no way Europe matches those numbers to make up the difference. So who's right?

 

[Bits N Pieces]

It would be funny though, mainly because of the meltdowns and spin that would happen. It wouldn't be a pretty thread though.

 

[Abdiel]

I'm just laughing at the thirst some of you have for these sales to be confirmed.

Its like - 'Holy shit! Halo 5 tanked, start a thread so we can all talk about it, post funny gifs, post memes about 343 killing Halo and generally revel in the glory of it all.'

I find this funny

Please stop with the persecution complex. This is a sales thread. A major franchise massively underperforming is a source of discussion. I'm sure some immature jerks would find some glee in it, but the response has been shock or disbelief, not your supposed happy or pleased bs.

It's just as embarrassing to read your passive aggressive post.

 

[allan-bh]

It just makes no sense? If halo 5 was under a million including bundles for sales, how did it generate $400 million hardware and software? If you make 1 million Halo 5 limited edition sales of the game, which is $99 each, it's only $99 million, 305k let's say are all the Halo 5 $500 bundles, is $152 million. There's no way Europe matches those numbers to make up the difference. So who's right?

Microsoft number is sold to retailers.

 

[QaaQer]

If it comes from NPD why do they need to spread it this way? If its verified from them it will be the equivalent of when they just gave top 10s and hardware.

Idk. Nonetheless, if npdgeorge is from npd and shares some numbers without breaking ndas, then that is not a leak.

 

[Tubie]

It just makes no sense? If halo 5 was under a million including bundles for sales, how did it generate $400 million hardware and software? If you make 1 million Halo 5 limited edition sales of the game, which is $99 each, it's only $99 million, 305k let's say are all the Halo 5 $500 bundles, is $152 million. There's no way Europe matches those numbers to make up the difference. So who's right?

Maybe the Microsoft spin PR meant $400m as sell-in and not sold to customers.

 

[jelly]

I'm just laughing at the thirst some of you have for these sales to be confirmed.

Its like - 'Holy shit! Halo 5 tanked, start a thread so we can all talk about it, post funny gifs, post memes about 343 killing Halo and generally revel in the glory of it all.'

I find this funny

Sure, a lot of that no doubt but it's interesting to discuss what is happening to Halo and if it's just better competition or something is wrong with the direction or time is up. Beating a dead horse perhaps but this is after launch although a bit early.

 

[darkwing]

Maybe the Microsoft spin meant $400m as sell-in and not sold to costumers.

I don't think shareholders would like that

 

[le.phat]

What is going on in this thread?

this gif hahahahah

 

[Ricky_R]

Even George ignores The Order. So long game, I hardly knew ya.

 

[Cow Goes Moo]

If NPD_George numbers are real, doesn't mean he works for NPD, in fact I'm pretty sure he's not (And he never claimed that).

yeah, but i don't think it would matter if he was or wasn't, mods protect people from that kinda stuff anyway
george's numbers are believable with what some people like matt and y2kev have been saying, but that makes me more skeptical

Better give numbers you want to give and get peace than don't have any control and maybe piss some clients

there is some "peace" in ignorance, then there is reality for some

and some people can't handle reality, video games are great for escapism after all

of course i'm referring to people who want them and not george, so it's an odd response to your quote

 

[GnawtyDog]

It just makes no sense? If halo 5 was under a million including bundles for sales, how did it generate $400 million hardware and software? If you make 1 million Halo 5 limited edition sales of the game, which is $99 each, it's only $99 million, 305k let's say are all the Halo 5 $500 bundles, is $152 million. There's no way Europe matches those numbers to make up the difference. So who's right?

Trying to decipher MS PR is a waste of time. It's crafted in such a way that it holds up in court if sued (never gonna happen) and is also extremely misleading to give the impression of greater success. Hard numbers from trusted, independent third party (NPD, Media Create, Pal Charts etc) is all we need + some educated guesstimations to make the roundabout on what we don't have (using industry trends, best-worse case scenario etc).

 

[mangochutney]

Those Halo sales are really sad if true. This is the best Halo since 3 imo, how the mighty have fallen. I hope sales pick up again or improve for the sequel. I need my Halo fix

So in other words it is still worse than those before it!

Unless you be improvin', your units won't be movin'.

People get bored of the same thing after a while, hard to maintain that. To be fully expected.

 

[JaggedSac]

12.58 UK time.

where George gave us the number before.. half hour or something like that.

It just makes no sense? If halo 5 was under a million including bundles for sales, how did it generate $400 million hardware and software? If you make 1 million Halo 5 limited edition sales of the game, which is $99 each, it's only $99 million, 305k let's say are all the Halo 5 $500 bundles, is $152 million. There's no way Europe matches those numbers to make up the difference. So who's right?

People are saying they counted all the revenue they made from shipments to retailers as if they were all sold to customers that first week. So if they shipped 2 million copies to retail, they counted all 2 million as having been sold to customers at full retail price. Some of the worst PR talk I've seen from a company.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

NPD George has left.

The Mods have left.

Only The Neo Gaf is left.

and we are left to squabble in the madness of numbers.

 

[Madness]

Microsoft number is sold to retailers.

But their statement says in global SALES. Not sold into retailers. It's the same statement and wording from Halo 4 when they made $220 million in 24 hours and $300 million in first week. Only difference is they added hardware to software this time.

Maybe the Microsoft spin meant $400m as sell-in and not sold to costumers.

See above. Additionally, they said it was the fastest selling exclusive. So under 1 million is not the fastest spelling exclusive then no? Fuck, why can't they just come out with concrete numbers, everything is so obtuse and obfuscatory.

 

[shandy706]

I'm just laughing at the thirst some of you have for these sales to be confirmed.

Its like - 'Holy shit! Halo 5 tanked, start a thread so we can all talk about it, post funny gifs, post memes about 343 killing Halo and generally revel in the glory of it all.'

I find this funny

You're always going to have a group that wants to drive home something they see as a negative.

I consider selling 1 Million of something in 5 days pretty amazing. It's not nearly as big as Halo use to be, and we have Black Friday right around the corner, but it's still a ton of consoles/games and money in MS's pocket.

Halo 5 didn't tank, Xbox One sold the most in a month where the competition got a price cut, etc, etc. It's all pretty positive.

The sales discrepancy compared to the past is large, but that can be discusses here. Don't melt down over it, lol.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Now that we have a number for Halo 5 in US and Japan in addition to UK. Is it possible that the game has managed to sell more than 2 million WW in its debut week (including Digital)?

I wonder what will be its LTD? Whether it will have long legs or just drop off, which seems more likely. In any case, this result won't make Microsoft happy as Halo used to move hardware on its back alone, but has failed to do so for the Xbox One.

 

[Aceofspades]

Halo numbers keep getting worse every time I check this thread.

937k WITH bundles! Shocking number.

 

[Japanmanx3]

Super are you ok????

 

[allan-bh]

But their statement dales in global SALES. Not sold into retailers. It's the same statement and wording from Halo 4 when they made $220 million in 24 hours and $300 million in first week. Only difference is they added hardware to software this time.

SALES could be sell-in (to retailers) or sell-through (to consumers).

 

[teiresias]

I don't think shareholders would like that

I'd imagine standard post-release PR and NPD PR are not subject to the same shareholder scrutiny (or regulatory scrutiny) as actual quarterly releases.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Now that we have a number for Halo 5 in US and Japan in addition to UK. Is it possible that the game has managed to sell more than 2 million WW in its debut week (including Digital)?

I wonder what will be its LTD? Whether it will have long legs or just drop off, which seems more likely. In any case, this result won't make Microsoft happy as Halo used to move hardware on its back alone, but has failed to do so for the Xbox One.

I put it around 1.52 mill worldwide, first week, at best.

 

[Tubie]

Fuck, why can't they just come out with concrete numbers, everything is so obtuse and obfuscatory.

That's the gaming industry for you man. No other entertainment sector works as hard to hide numbers or spin the numbers (this goes for all not just MS).

 

[cartoon_soldier]

People are saying they counted all the revenue they made from shipments to retailers as if they were all sold to customers that first week. So if they shipped 2 million copies to retail, they counted all 2 million as having been sold to customers at full retail price. Some of the worst PR talk I've seen from a company.

The PR very clearly said sales of software and hardware. At the end we don't have exact figures for anything which sucks.

 

[igordennis]

Sales=shipped. When PR doesn't specify its usually because they have nothing to gain from it. Sold through is more impressive and thats why Sony PR tries to use it when possible. That $400 million number is shipped for sure. I see no reason to think otherwise.

 

[Trup1aya]

Your post just showed us how ignorant you are in this matter. lol.

I think he's joking...

But I can never tell on this site...

 

[blakep267]

Yeah the thing I don't find believe able is the 935k with bundles. If he would've said without, I'd be more inclined to believe.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Idk. Nonetheless, if npdgeorge is from npd and shares some numbers without breaking ndas, then that is not a leak.

If that was the case all the verified members hear would have posted these numbers without fear. You think the NDA is "lesser" from the direct source?

 

[FunkyPajamas]

NPD George has left.

The Mods have left.

Only The Neo Gaf is left.

and we are left to squabble in the madness of numbers.

NPD kills Aqua.
Zhuge kills NPD.
Mods kill Zhuge.
NPD_george kills mods.

NPD_george leaves GAF.

 

[Ricky_R]

yeah, but i don't think it would matter if he was or wasn't, mods protect people from that kinda stuff anyway
george's numbers are believable with what some people like matt and y2kev have been saying, but that makes me more skeptical

How much can they protect them though, legally I mean. It's not like he's actually releasing documents or anything, but there's a line there and it's becoming quite blurred.

I don't mind though.

 

[allan-bh]

How much can they protect them though, legally I mean. It's not like he's actually releasing documents or anything, but there's a line there and it's becoming quite blurred.

I don't mind though.

They can't.

 

[3rdamention]

It just makes no sense? If halo 5 was under a million including bundles for sales, how did it generate $400 million hardware and software? If you make 1 million Halo 5 limited edition sales of the game, which is $99 each, it's only $99 million, 305k let's say are all the Halo 5 $500 bundles, is $152 million. There's no way Europe matches those numbers to make up the difference. So who's right?

Headsets, Controllers, Digital Sales, and it is looking more than likely that Microsoft could have been quoting "shipped" sales instead of sold to customer sales. If the NA numbers for Halo and the Bundle are true.

 

[N.Domixis]

NPD kills Aqua.
Zhuge kills NPD.
Mods kill Zhuge.
NPD_george kills mods.

NPD_george leaves GAF.

Leaving all of us as orphans.

 

[Javin98]

Super are you ok????

Shh, he's sleeping. Don't wake him.

Also, I told you guys something was up. The mods decided to run a test on us to see if we would fall for it. I believe they call it the NGS plan (NeoGAF Simulation). They plan to see how well they can control information.

Spoiler

I'm kidding. But I really want NPD George to be verified.

 

[Fady K]

If Microsoft had played their cards right Xbox One would be killing PS4 in USA, I don't have doubts about that.

Unfortunately for then millions of people are crossing the bridge to PS4.

Microsoft played their cards right before launch, they fixed the majority of their errors from when they first revealed the Xbox one. I don't see how you're so sure it would have been "killing " it, but this is the kind of stuff I hear from fanboys.

 

[igordennis]

People are saying they counted all the revenue they made from shipments to retailers as if they were all sold to customers that first week. So if they shipped 2 million copies to retail, they counted all 2 million as having been sold to customers at full retail price. Some of the worst PR talk I've seen from a company.

Oh please every single company does that. Every one of them has reported revenue as sales at some point in time, no exceptions.

 

[Mister Megative]

Ok. Everyone screaming about the death of consoles, you DO know these numbers match perfectly with every October for almost ten years, right? These are normal October sales. It's the month before the busiest sales period in America. I'm not sure what everyone was expecting, but look up the numbers and see for yourself.

Good lord. You people are acting like both MS and Sony are packing it up over absolutely nothing. That's what this is: nothing.

 

[Japanmanx3]

NPD kills Aqua.
Zhuge kills NPD.
Mods kill Zhuge.
NPD_george kills mods.

NPD_george leaves GAF.

I can see him right now...sitting at his desk. Laughing...dancing.

 

[QaaQer]

If that was the case all the verified members hear would have posted these numbers without fear. You think the NDA is "lesser" from the direct source?

They, or their companies have signed ndas. If George is from npd, and is not breaking NDA, then it is not a leak.

 

[Hanmik]

it would be funny if Cboat posted the numbers.

"Haol vife 937xyo"

 

[N.Domixis]

Microsoft played their cards right before launch, they fixed the majority of their errors from when they first revealed the Xbox one. I don't see how you're so sure it would have been "killing " it, but this is the kind of stuff I hear from fanboys.

If ms continues it's momentum from the 360 days, without A DOUBT xbox would be ahead.