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Ex-Naughty Dog Community Guy on DLC/Microtransactions: 'You should pay for good work'
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Fancy Clown
Member
So you buy Naughty Dog games?
Outrun
Member
That is horrid.
Just imagine if 343i decides to introduce the starting overshield for those having difficulty with the mp...
All for a couple of bucks...
Stupid reason is stupid reason even if it comes from ND.
PS: Do the "good work" beforehand and release with the game...
Edit: I heard that this quote is not from a ND employee...
Just imagine if 343i decides to introduce the starting overshield for those having difficulty with the mp...
All for a couple of bucks...
Stupid reason is stupid reason even if it comes from ND.
PS: Do the "good work" beforehand and release with the game...
Edit: I heard that this quote is not from a ND employee...
GhostOfSparta305
Banned
...And what exactly is wrong with that?
Tons of gamers aren't teenagers with endless free time anymore. Let them pay for their enjoyment with the dollars that they have, instead of the time that they don't.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
This guy doesn't even work for Naughty Dog anymore so I have no idea why he's speaking for the company. Didn't ND say before that everything in UC4 MP can be earned in game so I feel like they've learned from their mistakes in TLoU MP.
I'm not defending that it is behind a paywall. I'm just against the idea that the DLC is pay to win, cuz it clearly isn't if you play the gane.
Freeman
Banned
Only because he whispered them in Druckmann's ear.
How about making games that respect everyone's time?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yep. This thread needs a huge edit. Click bait, and flame bait all in one.
Bingo.
In their defence, they have always done this. Uncharted 2, 3 and The Last of Us started with minimal/cosmetic microtransaction DLC only, and over time added more and more stuff which started to impact actual gameplay.
Hopefully the same happens with Uncharted 4, so at least we'll get a few months/a year without any crap pay-to-win-like stuff.
Definitely this.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That goes out the window when a person is actually good with it and hounds you after hitting you with it once. The maps certainly aren't filled to the brim with health packs. Like with all the dlc, balancing goes out the window in the hands of skilled players compared to the base weapons.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
The paid guns aren't even that good. I remember back when all this first started i was on dualshockers and people were saying the weapons were op so me and three other people argued against it and got a team. We had to use regular weapons the other team would use the payed ones...needless to say all it takes is skill, straight clean sweep in interrogation. Microtransactions suck sure but they don't ruin a game, well at least not this one
Druckmann no longer just forces out Creative Directors, he has moved on to marketing guys.
Watch out Shu, you are next!!
Fancy Clown
Member
Lol I would hope we don't get ANY pay to win like stuff
Jack The Nipper
Banned
So the guy oesn't work for ND, but posters seem to know the guy and says he knows what other people are doing with their games?
Anyways, don't blame the posters, a thread title should be accurate for us.
Anyways, don't blame the posters, a thread title should be accurate for us.
InsaneTiger
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Bump
LapinAgile
Member
He did not, it definitely caters to a less precise playstyle but player skill and proper use of traps always wins over someone with more bullets in that particular MP.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Noooo im blaming posters too. Jumping in and calling a company trash with not much else to say is all on a poster
mcz117chief
Member
Why not make DLC free and thus attract more people to buy the full game? I wonder how that would turn out. Would it definitely make less money?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
True, but also people need read the articles before making knee jerk responses off of a sensational click headline.
This is almost 2016. People should have learned that by now. No excuses when the information is right there. Don't people fact check anymore?
*looks at society* No, no they do not. Such a lost art it is.
Yep. Hence the term, shitpost.
InsaneTiger
Member
This whole thread started off clickbait.
But if you're good with the crossbow, you'll be way better with the El Diablo, military sniper, shotgun, or assault rifle.
Most people stick with their teammates, so them hounding you after the first shot isn't a big concern (besides, most people are running first aid training, so they'll heal up before you get to them).
And almost everyone at all times have 3 health packs with them, with health kits constantly respawning.
He's in a better position than anyone not working in the industry and the rest of your statement betrays a lack of reading comprehension.
Not necessarily as it builds up good will which technically can turn into more sales. However that is not always the case as consumers have shown themselves willing to spend a lot on dlc.
InsaneTiger
Member
Read the whole article dude.
mcz117chief
Member
So it is better to go the safe route and just have paid DLC so the devs can cash in on whales, right?
Keep disappointing me, GAF.
1. Devs work 2 years on a game.
2. The game gets released and people pay 60$ for it.
3. The devs keep creating content for the game for several months.
4. Lets make them work all those months for free because we already paid the game.
And everything because your entitlement is so strong that you cant conceive a finished game with extra content.
How wrong can be your logic, people? You all talk like if suddently a dev creates content for any finished game, that game would become unfinished until the new content "completes" it.
We could argue whats worth a paid DLC, but hell, how can you be so angry at people wanting money for the work they do?
This thread is really disgusting.
1. Devs work 2 years on a game.
2. The game gets released and people pay 60$ for it.
3. The devs keep creating content for the game for several months.
4. Lets make them work all those months for free because we already paid the game.
And everything because your entitlement is so strong that you cant conceive a finished game with extra content.
How wrong can be your logic, people? You all talk like if suddently a dev creates content for any finished game, that game would become unfinished until the new content "completes" it.
We could argue whats worth a paid DLC, but hell, how can you be so angry at people wanting money for the work they do?
This thread is really disgusting.
He even wrote his reply once title was edited.
Give War A Chance
Member
Bingo. I really don't even have an issue with single-player boosters... as long as they aren't affecting the progression through that singleplayer.
Same here, man - no gameplay-impacting DLC would be the best-case - it's just what they've done in the past.
If UC4 follows the pattern of their last two games (likely), the best-case scenario is a delay in game-affecting DLC like this. It would start showing up 4-6 months after release. The honeymoon period is our only chance at pure gameplay.
Imagine if they had a no-DLC playlist
would fix all the issuesBlackleg-sanji1
Banned
Screw the article read the damn posts and new title at this point
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Not to mention used games are a huge reason as well. People who buy used, the developer still has a chance to receive some payment if the person wants to purchase extra content.
Hence why some pre-order or initial launch codes when used on a new product, are not carried over to a used (I know you know this, just speaking out loud). And those who buy used sometimes have a chance to purchase those things as well.
The used market helped spawn this, every bit as much as people who will buy quality content. I have no issue buying extra quality content for games after they launch.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
He's right.
Also good work op.
Also good work op.
I honestly have no idea.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Zombegoast
Member
Paying $60 for the base game, the season pass for $30, the microtransaction and the paywall to access the multiplayer.
It's more like, "We can get away with it."
It's more like, "We can get away with it."
Caayn
Member
Same. The dev time spend on micro-transactions is wasted for me.
But that's not why people are upset. It's when they introduce DLC that ruins the balance and punishes those who don't buy the DLC. Like the TLOU weapons. I'm fine with DLC post-launch. But I'm not fine with DLC that changes game balance and punishes those who don't buy it. I don't see why disliking that is disgusting.
Vital Tundra
Member
Having buyable weapons with advantages is a joke. Get out of here!
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Well, we should have news that is enough for us in some ways in the OP. Poster's shouldn't be fishing us just as well as all the crap articles around imo
Warm Machine
Member
Games have gotten way more expensive. Games are not necessarily selling any better than in the past. Players have been paying the same $50-$60 they have for decades. Something has to give.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I could not agree more. Go to work for your employers for free several months out of the year, and not get paid for your work.
Plus devs do not get paid for used games. So someone purchases a used game, the developer has the opportunity to get some compensation on additional content if the purchaser finds quality in that.
It is not fishing in this case to click the link. The very second spaced, easy to see, sentence starts off with, FORMER. But I understand your take as well. The OP knew what he/she was doing to gloss over that word that stuck out to me in less than 3 seconds. And fail to include anything about him being former, that the article mentions, TWICE.
Freeman
Banned
Ok. Lets not pretend that this is some grand gesture and not just an easy attempt to maximize profits.
I dislike micro-transactions in most games, specially if you already paid for it. It is just not elegant.
To me it's like going to the movies and having commercial breaks there. Are you entitled to watch a movie without commercial breaks(assuming that's how the movie is being shown)? No, but doesn't change the fact that it sucks.
I dislike micro-transactions in most games, specially if you already paid for it. It is just not elegant.
To me it's like going to the movies and having commercial breaks there. Are you entitled to watch a movie without commercial breaks(assuming that's how the movie is being shown)? No, but doesn't change the fact that it sucks.
Mohonky
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We made a hat, you should buy it and kiss our ass because its good work.
We even went in and looked at the stats and found some of our newer players were struggling a bit, and in this world of instant gratification, we thought well, lets just make a gun that nerfs those who had put in the time and experience learning to play the multiplayer and put in a weapon that newcomers can buy to instantly get a leg up. I mean the other players can still get it too but hey the cost of winning is, well, literally money. You can thank us later.
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They really dont understand paid DLC it seems.
I remember when you could buy expansion packs and it was basically a whole new campaign continuing the story of one of your favourite games without sacrificing getting the full original game as it was intended and the expansion was as lengthy as the original. Now? Give its give us money for petty shit and our DLC campaign and map extras are little bite sized chunks to tease you till we get around to the inevitable sequel.
At least Blizzard still gets it with Starcraft. I remember buying the Warcraft expansions (the RTS) and loving the shit out of that stuff, now we rarely get expension packs, we just get bite sized teasers to remind us of hey that game still exists.
The only other companies I can really think of right now getting it right right now are Nintendo with their constant free Splatoon update s to keep the game fresh and exciting to come back too and what Machine Head did with Wolfenstein, a proper fucking DLC like expansion in The Old Blood.
We even went in and looked at the stats and found some of our newer players were struggling a bit, and in this world of instant gratification, we thought well, lets just make a gun that nerfs those who had put in the time and experience learning to play the multiplayer and put in a weapon that newcomers can buy to instantly get a leg up. I mean the other players can still get it too but hey the cost of winning is, well, literally money. You can thank us later.
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They really dont understand paid DLC it seems.
I remember when you could buy expansion packs and it was basically a whole new campaign continuing the story of one of your favourite games without sacrificing getting the full original game as it was intended and the expansion was as lengthy as the original. Now? Give its give us money for petty shit and our DLC campaign and map extras are little bite sized chunks to tease you till we get around to the inevitable sequel.
At least Blizzard still gets it with Starcraft. I remember buying the Warcraft expansions (the RTS) and loving the shit out of that stuff, now we rarely get expension packs, we just get bite sized teasers to remind us of hey that game still exists.
The only other companies I can really think of right now getting it right right now are Nintendo with their constant free Splatoon update s to keep the game fresh and exciting to come back too and what Machine Head did with Wolfenstein, a proper fucking DLC like expansion in The Old Blood.
mcz117chief
Member
What? Of course not, but do you think the artist gets paid for each DLC item sold? Of course not (or I at least don't think so). They have a salary and whether they get paid for working on the main game, dlc or another game is irrelevant. DLC or no DLC they get paid regardless.
Stallion Dan
Member
TLOU GOTY Edition still didn't include the microtransaction DLC weapons.
Also I love how he basically says, yeah, the DLC are better than what the base game offers, but only new players will buy them! How stupid can you be.