Yeah but they achieved console parity...
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NXGamer first look at XboxOne version of Just Cause 3 (hint: it's baaaaaad)
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Yeah but they achieved console parity...
On consoles? There are definitely caching issues on FO4 on console with some 0-20 fps drops. Maybe not as many and the game usually manages to get itself up to 30.
JC3 seems to be in a somewhat similar boat but as a fast-paced action game it may impact the play more.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
Does look rough. He'll be running a lot of stuff in the background though.
I'll be playing the game tonight on PC, will give my feedback ITT.
Dictator93
Member
Because rigid body physics are better off on the CPU. There is a reason my most if not all GPU physic simulations are limited to gameplay-innocuous stuff (hair, clothing, dense particles).
Yep, for PSVR.
Interesting. I didn't see specs listed anywhere in the video, do we know what he's running this on? That kind of hitching makes me think it's asset streaming/loading but who knows. Does he do capture/streaming on the same machine he's playing on?
Xamtheking
Member
A 760 ? No wonder.
topkek
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
CyberChulo
Member
I had the PS4 version for about a week. While I can confirm there are long re-load times for retrying the challenges, it never went down to 0fps like in that xbox video (played for more than 40 minutes straight). It does slow down when there's a lot of explosions very similar to what's show in the video though. I would definitely say wait for patches and see if it fixes the issue for consoles if you were planning on picking it up.
Yeah, cool. Basing of what Xamtheking posted about his specs, a 760 with 2gb ram isn't doing him any favors for sure. I'd think manufacturers would be tripping over themselves to provide pewdiepie with the latest and greatest in hardware but I guess his primary demographic isn't the titanx buying audience.
Because there are a lot of explosions happening, I thought they could have been able to offload some of the CPU load to the GPU. Thought wrong?
TeddyShardik
Banned
Seems like this is SE pushing for the holiday market. Publishers will never change.The quick buck is everything to them I guess.
I do not think any one of the devs wants the game out in this state.
I do not think any one of the devs wants the game out in this state.
The weird thing though is apparently it went gold about a month ago. Maybe they just REALLY wanted to make sure they had it on shelves in time, but it's odd that they didn't take some of that time to optimize it.
I imagine they probably have been working on it, but that patch may not have passed cert yet. Is there any word of a day 1 patch?
People always say this but the game had a planned release date; the studio have a responsibility to match their dreams with reality.
SE made a mistake not delaying anyway - clearly the New Year would be better performance wise but also I expect the games going to be lost against so many open world games of 2015 - especially on the coattails of Fallout.
The problem now is the same WB faced; theres no economic reason to improve a game this broken - they blow their marketing budget in the first week and even then if they fix the game many people will already have turned away.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I played dozens of hours of JC2 on PS3, it looked and ran great. At the time I really thought it was the best looking game on the market.
It's sad to see that Avalanche screwed this up.
It's sad to see that Avalanche screwed this up.
TeddyShardik
Banned
Yeah that sounds kinda dumb.
Then again I think a month isn't a whole lot of time if problems run deep i guess.
Just making an uneducated guess though. Maybe it's all the time they would need.
Yes, I totally agree the devs didn't meet the date. I'm not implying they can do no wrong but at the end of the day someone selling this game to people has to go "fuck it" and give the go ahead.
That's what I don't get. It's been shown many times that basically noone wins in this scenario maybe aside from investors with no long term thinking.
Then again I think a month isn't a whole lot of time if problems run deep i guess.
Just making an uneducated guess though. Maybe it's all the time they would need.
Yes, I totally agree the devs didn't meet the date. I'm not implying they can do no wrong but at the end of the day someone selling this game to people has to go "fuck it" and give the go ahead.
That's what I don't get. It's been shown many times that basically noone wins in this scenario maybe aside from investors with no long term thinking.
TeddyShardik
Banned
Sorry, double post.
gregor7777
Banned
Well this is a shame.
Dictator93
Member
I am not sure if you are wrong, because I have honestly no clue as to what is happening always in a single frame in this game. But the type of physics on display seem to be normal rigid body physics, which has been customarily always been done on the CPU, even in engines that otherwise use GPU physics. The reasons for which are because CPUs tend to do it "better" as I understand it. If some game world object interacts with gameplay code, and is not just purely visual, then you can bet that you want the CPU to be on it afai understand!
They use Havok in this game. AFAIK the engine is CPU only still.
Dictator93
Member
I do find instances of Havok porting some sim to the GPU on the web.
http://www.techpowerup.com/181341/havok-launches-next-generation-physics-engine.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1hoVCZZOd0
Some of which are positively ancient.
MMaRsu
Banned
Lol there are no short dips. Its constant dips dude. Dont talk bullshit if you havent played it
What I don't understand is, how outlets like this (Playstation Access) are showing (what is proportedly to be) PS4 footage, that doesn't appear to show much (any?) of the dramatic framerate issues highlighted elsewhere.
Either it's careful choosen footage, or they are running the PC version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkZYQqWQKt4
Either it's careful choosen footage, or they are running the PC version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkZYQqWQKt4
MMaRsu
Banned
Sure I can.
Go to ustream/mmarsu to see my saved jc3 vids. You dont even have to look for parts where I do chaos it dips constantly. Otherwise Ill stream again a bit later. Im selling the game later tonight tho. Dont want to subject myself to this unpolished shit.
A great fun game, marred by terrible technical disasters
MMaRsu
Banned
I can guarantee thats not ps4 footage!!!
Well, they certainly aren't disclosing that , if indeed it isn't.
Well, I asked, and they replied, that is indeed the PS4 version.
Well this is disappointing. Just Cause 2 looked and ran very well on 360/PS3. I was expecting this game to be another solid release on consoles -- especially new, more powerful consoles vs what Avalanche dealt with for last gen -- but nope. Looks like I'll skip this game for good.
900p vs 1080p, isn't it?
900p vs 1080p, isn't it?
I went with the PS4 release.
dead monkey uk
Member
Go on then, they say in the video it is on PS4 and the gameplay has PS4 button prompts. If you can prove its not I am sure plenty people in the media would want to speak to you.
thelastword
Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkZYQqWQKt4
The footage on PS access is pretty smooth. We shall see when it comes under the radar. The information on patches is still a bit sketchy..
The footage on PS access is pretty smooth. We shall see when it comes under the radar. The information on patches is still a bit sketchy..
Lol. Yes it is. I'm not saying huge fps drops not happens on ps4 and I haven't the game personally, but I have seen a bunch of walk through which it seems runs fine. Maybe I haven't seen yet the more demanding explosions, but I will check. Surely there are area where runs fine, absolutely.
Well Playstation Access have assured me it's the PS4 version, so.........IDK what to say.
If my copy runs like that, I'll be happy.
Wait a second, I said there are situations where runs fine but I will wait DF face off before to expect solid fps. I noticed drops during the explosions so I can't guarantee anything.
CyberChulo
Member
Yes it is! I have the game already. It plays just like that post patch. I hope they put out another one soon to decrease the challenge reload times and smooth it out a bit. Like I said earlier, it won't (at least I haven't seen it) drop to 0fps like in the xbox one version but you will encounter some slowdowns. Don't think it's related to the server connection because I disconnected it and still does the same thing.
8-bit bastard is streaming on Xbox One and it looks great. He loves it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNCyTRBQwqk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNCyTRBQwqk
ISee
Member
. Waiting for the performance thread before buying.
The Scrivener
Member
I have not been this excited for a game in years. It looks so much fun. I don't get how you can enjoy gaming but be so upset about a slight loss in fps or 1600 rez.
Back in the day it used to be called slowdown and it was awesome.
I look forward to playing this kick ass game with slowdown during the explosions and sippin' beer while waiting for it to load up a beautiful picture of gaming destruction.
I might be showing my age here...
Back in the day it used to be called slowdown and it was awesome.
I look forward to playing this kick ass game with slowdown during the explosions and sippin' beer while waiting for it to load up a beautiful picture of gaming destruction.
I might be showing my age here...
omgwtfbentime
Member
Seems like a lot of stuff a day 1 patch would address lol.
Posts like this are exactly the reason devs and pubs think they can get away with this kind of thing.
It's also a great demonstration of why average framerate is far less of the end-all-be-all for assessing performance than many people think it is. In this case it's boosting it's average whenever the player isn't engaging the game in the way it's designed to be played. As soon as a few more physics calculations hit it drops like a rock. A game should be judged not by how it runs standing still doing nothing, but by what one can expect when engaging the game in the more strenuous situations that will arise.
Frankly in my opinion the huge swing in response time and visual feedback from dropping to sub-20 is almost worse than running it at that rate the entire time and at least having a consistent feel to adjust to.
I must be as well. I keep watching footage on consoles and all I see is a great time in an amazing looking world. Maybe a slight hitch here and there, some pop-in or loading times around 20-30 seconds is the worst I have seen. I have played and even enjoyed games with much worse going on.
biglittleps
Member
It was in last gen also. FPS drops happens in every generation in most of the 3rd party games.