Why would they need to go for people who don't own a PC with the first generation of consumer VR?
Even just reaching a decent percentage of existing PC gamers will be a massive success.
Really, these things don't need to sell 100s of millions.
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Which VR hardware will be the one to go with?
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Even just reaching a decent percentage of existing PC gamers will be a massive success.
Really, these things don't need to sell 100s of millions.
Took the words out of my mouth. Rigs looks amazing.
Content will be key for VR.
Dreamwriter
Member
I don't get it, a number of people are saying PSVR is "plug and play". How are the other guys not? Worst case scenario, PC users have to download and install one software package. After that, plug in a headset, you'll get a built-in interface just like PS4 or XBox One has, with digital store and your library. HTC Vive gets Steam VR, Oculus Rift gets Oculus Home.
Not owning a powerful enough PC, that's a good reason to not get a PC-based VR headset, but I don't see how a PS4 headset is easier to use.
Not owning a powerful enough PC, that's a good reason to not get a PC-based VR headset, but I don't see how a PS4 headset is easier to use.
rakkadakka
Member
I'd go with either of the PC solutions over the PSVR.
Having a headset tied to a piece of hardware isn't something I'd want.
Having a headset tied to a piece of hardware isn't something I'd want.
POWERSPHERE
Banned
Youre a year too early to ask, and probably two years too early to buy. Theres no sense worrying till theyre released and the software has caught up. Its going to be a rough start.
Isn't the Rift and Vive technically tied to one piece of hardware too? :vD
valkillmore
Member
I'm hopeful due to Sony's catalogue of music artists that we'll get some exclusive music-related VR shit to PSVR. I'd be down to watch a VR concert, even if it's an artist I normally wouldn't check out.
Also I'd love some VR videos of driving in foreign lands. I'd love a Tokyo tour at night. Or Vegas. Or the Hollywood Hills.
Also I'd love some VR videos of driving in foreign lands. I'd love a Tokyo tour at night. Or Vegas. Or the Hollywood Hills.
BigTnaples
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PC games will require a lot more fiddling with settings than usual. Due to the high Framerate requirement and sensitivity.
As someone who is getting both a Rift and a Vive, in addition to PVR. PSVR will most certainly be more "plug and play". Because the games will already be tuned for the proper VR Framerate and graphical settings. (Obviously).
EventHorizon
Member
Your number of "hardcore" PC gamers is highly inflated. The fact is that very few PC gamers buy multiple games and thus would be more likely to spend the money to buy a VR headset.
Even out of the group that is willing to shop around for new gaming experiences only a subset will have a high end PC capable of VR. Estimates are already predicting the PSVR will have more gamers than the Rift and Vive combined.
I believe psvr will have the best support, ease of use, and lowest cost entry point. The Oculus and Vive will be higher quality and will require a good rig to run it, $1500 rig according to Oculus. Though the PC compatable headsets will get more independent stuff, and porn.
Time will tell though, you can always wait it out and see what happens before you buy.
Time will tell though, you can always wait it out and see what happens before you buy.
CyberPunked
Member
Well we don't know the cost of PSVR. I mean, the thing has a separate processing box because of how weak the PS4 is, and that's sure to increase the cost by a significant amount.
I'll probably be getting PSVR for several reasons.
-Price factor will probably be the cheapest among the 3.
-Sony is actually prepared this time with games and the ease of developing and porting thanks to Unity and UE4.
-Modders and hackers will find a way to make PSVR work on PC just like the DS4.
-Seems to be most ready,people having positive impressions trying it and again have the games to backup the talk.
From mass consumers especially casuals standpoint, PSVR is the one to get.
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Question...If PSVR uses a external box for it's processing, wouldn't it work on low end PCs too if modders find a way to work on PC?
-Price factor will probably be the cheapest among the 3.
-Sony is actually prepared this time with games and the ease of developing and porting thanks to Unity and UE4.
-Modders and hackers will find a way to make PSVR work on PC just like the DS4.
-Seems to be most ready,people having positive impressions trying it and again have the games to backup the talk.
From mass consumers especially casuals standpoint, PSVR is the one to get.
Edit:
Question...If PSVR uses a external box for it's processing, wouldn't it work on low end PCs too if modders find a way to work on PC?
We don't know that. All they need is a default VR movie application and you're good to go.
jabberwocker
Banned
Out of the box probably Sony to start with ease of use. Configuring oculus games isn't rocket math but would be daunting to the average consumer. As the software matures I could see oculus and vive showing up as they have more potential in the long run.
It's basically the same choice as with console vs PC gaming.
Convenience and price of entry vs. a much higher quality ceiling and more flexibility.
This is wildly OT, but I don't think a 360° movie is really VR (porn or otherwise).
It needs to be a media player app and the last time I tried to play the media player. It doesn't play nice with MP4
Oculus has already partnered with PC companies to slap this together so, $1500 isn't the cost of the rig and building your own PC will get you under what these cost.
I will say building a micro ATX box that could easily handle VR games that you could simply hide away would be pretty great.
Agreed, but that's what they advertise themselves as.
Definitely not PS VR. Follow the same rule like every other console.
Don't buy a console at launch + 2 years since Sony 1st party input is not that much.
PS VR will be stuck with the PS4 unless you are willing to fork out money for PS5 version of PS[insert number] games you have owned.
You should support VR for PC to preserve all games you bought. One day, all games will be on PC and consoles will be for (timed) exclusives only.
Don't buy a console at launch + 2 years since Sony 1st party input is not that much.
PS VR will be stuck with the PS4 unless you are willing to fork out money for PS5 version of PS[insert number] games you have owned.
You should support VR for PC to preserve all games you bought. One day, all games will be on PC and consoles will be for (timed) exclusives only.
Dreamwriter
Member
Choose "Low", "Medium", "High", or "Ultra". Yeah, really daunting
Heck, these days many games auto-select the quality settings.Skulduggery
Banned
I think the gap between PC VR and Console VR is going to be much wider than it is for regular games. It's hard enough getting games to run 60fps with mono 1080p. Now double that and set the need for 90fps. Asynch timewarp is the only thing keeping it a viable experience.
You're definitely right about 360, though.
Bro have you seen Summer Lesson? Dead or Alive?
Arondight
Member
So far, i'm interested in PSVR due to the games it offers (RIGS, AC7,Summer Lesson, DC and GT7) short term but I'm going to wait it out only until someone get's it working on PC even if that means waiting a long time. PC for VR is hard to ignore due to greater potential in diversity of VR applications if I'm going to invest in VR in the first place.
VR is still at it's infancy so there going to be a lot of various interesting but limited amounts of experiences so sticking to a VR hardware that's limited to a single platform feels like a poor decision.
VR is still at it's infancy so there going to be a lot of various interesting but limited amounts of experiences so sticking to a VR hardware that's limited to a single platform feels like a poor decision.
Skulduggery
Banned
Let's not forget HTC & Valve still have something up their sleeves. They're the only company in the big 3 who haven't revealed their final consumer version yet. There's an alleged "Breakthrough" in the pipes.
Look forward to CES.
Look forward to CES.
i am also hoping that it will happen. A VR that can be used on PC and Playstation. It can't get any better unless Sony decided PS VR should be priced higher than a PS4...
I think PSVR is shaping up to have a surprisingly strong line up of proper VR games as well as enough games with VR support (like GT Sport or Tekken) that I think it will actually have some of the most compelling experiences right off the bat. Of course it will be the easiest and cheapest way to get into VR, unless you own a super powerful gaming PC already. Otherwise PCVR is easily double the price at least for entry than a PS4 and PSVR would likely cost.
To me it's a no brainer right now that the PS4, being the roaring success that it is, is absolutely primed to be the main place where VR initially takes off. PCVR will be for the enthusiasts at the periphery, who want access to all sorts of experimental stuff (and yeah porn) but I think most people will be blown away by PSVR, Sony seem to be doing a great job at providing a competitive experience with PCVR and they have that access to the casual market that Oculus and Vive can only dream of. The outlay to get into their systems is just far too high and fraught with pitfalls for the average consumer vs a plug and play system that is guaranteed to work with no fuss and with a library of recognisable content such as GT Sport (which will be a system seller by itself for PSVR even if nothing else came to the platform)!
To me it's a no brainer right now that the PS4, being the roaring success that it is, is absolutely primed to be the main place where VR initially takes off. PCVR will be for the enthusiasts at the periphery, who want access to all sorts of experimental stuff (and yeah porn) but I think most people will be blown away by PSVR, Sony seem to be doing a great job at providing a competitive experience with PCVR and they have that access to the casual market that Oculus and Vive can only dream of. The outlay to get into their systems is just far too high and fraught with pitfalls for the average consumer vs a plug and play system that is guaranteed to work with no fuss and with a library of recognisable content such as GT Sport (which will be a system seller by itself for PSVR even if nothing else came to the platform)!
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I'm waiting to see the PC options and get hands on with the different input devices, to see which one suits me more, before I toss in my wallet.
That's on PC too though.
And you know it's getting modded.
That's on PC too though.
And you know it's getting modded.
ArtHands
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That number is based off NPD group estimation of heavy core gamers. Yours is based off steam only.
And oculus and vive is more than just VR gaming. I am talking about Architecture, business demo, simulation, movies, concerts, education, psychotherathy etc.
Do you count Laptop as seperate hardware here? Because high end laptop works too.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
PSVR since I have a PS4 and it's probably going to be the cheapest one to get. I can't imagine the Oculus Touch or those Vive cones to be cheaper than a regular controller, which already goes for $75 here. I can find move controllers for less than $5.
PSVR also seems to have the most interesting software showing right now with RIGs, Rez Infinite, Golem, Ace Combat 7 and of course, mutha fuckin Summer Lesson.
PSVR also seems to have the most interesting software showing right now with RIGs, Rez Infinite, Golem, Ace Combat 7 and of course, mutha fuckin Summer Lesson.
Skulduggery
Banned
That's on PC too though.
And you know it's getting modded.
Sorry to say, that's a Sony exclusive for now. It runs off Unreal Engine, though. You could port that over with abysmally little effort.
EventHorizon
Member
No, it's not coming to the PC, at least there aren't any current plans to do so.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/678795175167037440
So you think there are a large number of PC gamers who would buy a VR headset who are not currently on Steam. Good luck with that.
No really think about that. Is there anything rarer than a hardcore PC gamer who doesn't use Steam?
StreetDisciple
Member
PSVR will be my first choice. I will settle on OR / HTC later on when the verdict is out on both.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
ahhh fuck. damned Sony bucks, I just looked it up and saw the update.
That's unfortunate.
CyberPunked
Member
They may have this " plug and play" experience, but in the end they get what the devs give them. Frame-rate, reloution, and visual quality will be compromised in the end. Overall, I'd prefer to take a couple of minutes getting the best experience, rather than having no choice.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
I was wondering, PC gamers are you guys worried about price at all? I only check out the PSVR threads and it always leads to pricing concerns. A lot of people's upper limit seems to be $300, which I'm doubtful of considering this is new technology.
I know Palmer said that the retail Oculus is going to cost more than the dev kits out now and those touch controllers don't look cheap. The Vive looks like its going to be the most expensive of all.
I know Palmer said that the retail Oculus is going to cost more than the dev kits out now and those touch controllers don't look cheap. The Vive looks like its going to be the most expensive of all.
Arkam
Member
Slow your roll my friend. I am not attacking your prized possession. There are games that you can play now and there will be more. But I have not seen too many major titles announced for it yet. I have seen the countless indie/experiment titles and a handful of titles that got VR post ship support. I just havent seen anything that leads me to believe there will be the breadth of "full game" content the PSVR seems to be getting near launch. And that is what most mainstream users want. Games.
EventHorizon
Member
Don't know about that. Rigs and Eve: Valkyrie look to be sure bets. Although you are right that it will take awhile for VR to settle down. There should be a continual stream of innovation and bigger games coming out after the platforms release.
Honestly for me in the beginning the technology alone will be enough. I remember when 3D gaming was the big new tech in gaming. I was perfectly satisfied doing flight sims going from one airport to another. Now that the genre offers more, that is no longer enough for me, but it was a lot of fun at the time.
PC you always face paying a premium unless you're content with budget builds. way i see it i'll just have to put off a GPU upgrade a year or so
cheezcake
Member
That number is talking about people who hop from indie game to indie game frequently, makes no sense in this context considering we know of quite a few high end PC games that have sold much more than 1.3M copies. Steam hardware survey shows somewhere in the realm of 5-6% of users have a GTX 970 equivalent or better graphics card, extrapolate out to the active user base and you get something like 7million users with a very high end PC. If you account for PS4 specs or better that number easily doubles.
Also I'd bet that VR adoption rates for that 7mil subset of people with high end PC's is going to be significantly higher than PS4 user VR adoption rates.
I guess this is as good a place as any to ask. I just got a Google cardboard and I'm not impressed to much with it. I do some research online and I read people saying that the Google cardboard is just as good as the rift and not bother buying it.
I've been eagerly awaiting Vr and jumped at the chance to get a free Google cardboard.
Of people who have tried both is it that big of a difference or is it really close as some people say?
I've been eagerly awaiting Vr and jumped at the chance to get a free Google cardboard.
Of people who have tried both is it that big of a difference or is it really close as some people say?