RoadHazard
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Huh. The PSVR is CLEARLY the most well-designed of the headsets. Sleek and stylish (as opposed to the big black boxes the others are), and according to those who have tried it very comfortable to wear.
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Which VR hardware will be the one to go with?
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Huh. The PSVR is CLEARLY the most well-designed of the headsets. Sleek and stylish (as opposed to the big black boxes the others are), and according to those who have tried it very comfortable to wear.
protomouse
Member
C'mon son. Porn is a complement to real sex.
EventHorizon
Member
Your whole point was that Steam wasn't an accurate gauge of VR adoption because people would be buying VR for other reasons besides gaming. Now you are saying that gaming will be one of the core reasons people will buy VR which then invalidates your original point. We are now back where we stated where I challenge this statement.
As I previously demonstrated, the absolute most generous interpretation we are only looking at a potential PC VR market at around 27 million with the reality being much less than that. This is because of the simple fact that most PC gamers don't buy a lot of games. They play the same small number of games over and over again. It why all the "WoW killers" never did. The MMORPG market was actually pretty small. It was the WoW market that was large. The people playing WoW didn't want to play any other game.
revolverjgw
Member
All for me, I'm all in on VR. Not sure which of Oculus or VIVE will end up being better, but I think PSVR is the least promising because of limitations from being on a weaker closed platform, but there's still some very interesting stuff.
I've never watched a porno through the PS4, does it prevent the use of porn Blu-Rays or porn websites? If not why would porn video content be blocked from PSVR if we are to assume it has video VR features?
I'm wondering if you throw on a VR Blu-Ray, or a VR video on flash drive, would an icon pop up for VR video assuming a PSVR is plugged in. Unless the talk of the PSVR not having porn experiences is directed at VR porno gaming experiences in which case there probably won't be much offerings considering AO games don't get released on consoles.
Or maybe PSVR doesn't support videos period and in that case yeah there'd be no PSVR porn videos.
I'm wondering if you throw on a VR Blu-Ray, or a VR video on flash drive, would an icon pop up for VR video assuming a PSVR is plugged in. Unless the talk of the PSVR not having porn experiences is directed at VR porno gaming experiences in which case there probably won't be much offerings considering AO games don't get released on consoles.
Or maybe PSVR doesn't support videos period and in that case yeah there'd be no PSVR porn videos.
I'm torn between Oculus and Vive. I just don't think buying a console addon mid gen is a good idea. Also think sticking to Move is kinda sad to..
I want Vive the most but I also hate the whole exclusive Oculus stuff.. ugh feel like for VR to take off we need the games on all the platforms.
I want Vive the most but I also hate the whole exclusive Oculus stuff.. ugh feel like for VR to take off we need the games on all the platforms.
Possumowner
Member
I'm not making any decisions until I see more of them...especially VIVE,which they've reportedly found the holy grail.I shall probably get 2 out of the 3 in the end,one for Ps4 and other for PC.So PSVR is more a certainty,but I want the very best experience, which I believe will come from Vive or Occulus,just which one
RoadHazard
Gold Member
They should have a new headset for the PS5 in 2019 (or whatever), absolutely. But that doesn't mean the console and its games can't be backwards-compatible with the PS4 version if Sony wants to. Unless there are some groundbreaking new features in the next version the old one should still work fine, you just won't get as good an experience. You can still play your 1080p PS4 games on a 480i TV if you really want to (not quite the same, but yeah).
serversurfer
Member
Seriously, why do you continue to spread this nonsense? They said nothing of the sort, and you've been corrected on this multiple times.
Also, where did Oculus say they plan to sell at cost? I saw that Iribe said Zuckerberg wanted to do so, but Iribe wasn't sure because he needed to make sure his business stayed healthy. So that sounds like they still hadn't even determined what their hardware margins would be, if any, but that was over a year ago. Do you have something more recent that's more concrete?
My choice is pretty easy. It's between PS VR and PS VR. Don't have a PC good enough to run any kind of VR (except some extremely rudimentary shit that's a far cry even from PS4's capabilities). I'm hoping Sony's VR will be made work with PCs somewhere down the line. Not interested in buying a second VR device yet I'm sure PC will have some experiences that I'll want to experience at some point.
BeatnikGunsoo
Member
I mean I have a pretty decent pc GTX 970, i5 4690k
I'm seeing a lot of people picking the vive
why?
is it way better than the oculus? or what?
I'm seeing a lot of people picking the vive
why?
is it way better than the oculus? or what?
biglittleps
Member
Mostly they knew nothing about the Vive and how its going to work for all games (especially for mutilplatform VR games) to support in room scale, but they are all going for that because Vive has advanced room scale tracking (it comes with cost), so they think its better blindly even without trying and not considering the launch games it will have.
At this point I've always wanted the Rift, they started all this and they have Carmack, they seem to be the one most focused on what the problems were years ago, and what will the future problems that they will have to solve.
But I'm VERY curious about that Vive tech breakthrough, if it is something huge I could change opinions...
But I'm VERY curious about that Vive tech breakthrough, if it is something huge I could change opinions...
anothertech
Member
PSVR and Rift will have the largest libraries year one, Vive doesn't have as many deals yet, at least not announced.
Eve VR will be on both ps and rift thankfully.
I think the biggest factors will be PSVR will have fairly heavy hitters game wise, while the PC connected counterparts will likely have more mod/community centric based content, as well as access to porn.
So it depends on what u want to get out if it I suppose.
Eve VR will be on both ps and rift thankfully.
I think the biggest factors will be PSVR will have fairly heavy hitters game wise, while the PC connected counterparts will likely have more mod/community centric based content, as well as access to porn.
So it depends on what u want to get out if it I suppose.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
PS VR or Vive.
If only the PS VR could support also the PC there wouldn't be any doubt......
Because Valve.
If only the PS VR could support also the PC there wouldn't be any doubt......
pls sony
Because Valve.
NotSmartEnough
Member
It can't be anything huge this close to launch; anything revolutionary would require a lot of rework and push their launch date back.
Well, it depends on your aesthetic sensibilities.
I really actually like the Oculus Rift headset from a design POV. Very well executed visually, understated black box that looks really comfortable.
NotSmartEnough
Member
There's no chance of PSVR being officially supported on PC.
I think there is a danger of Sony actively blocking attempts to create unofficial support on PC; possibly some hardware crypto solution between the breakout box and the PS4, similar to the direction they took with USB steering wheels.
biglittleps
Member
May be one day when Sony wants to sell PC (PS VR) games in their storefront like MS doing with Win 10 exclusives (HTC also trying this method in Vive according to leaked doc).
GoldenCrow
Member
PSVR. I don't like it aesthetically it looks a bit fisherprice and is a bit of a misstep especially in contrast to the PS4 itself or the TV division at Sony. However functionally I am sold and I don't need to buy any additional hardware like I would have to with the Vive or the Rift so ultimately will be a relatively inexpensive way to test the waters that are VR.
anothertech
Member
Those that have tried all three generally say the PSVR is most comfortable, I've only tried the DK2 and PSVR personally, but between them PSVR def wins in that regard, can't say for the consumer Rift or Vive though.
Will def be trying all three when they come though,
Will def be trying all three when they come though,
Dreamwriter
Member
Um, no, I've never been corrected on that to my knowledge. Because it's what they were reported to have said, exactly in those terms.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/09/18/tgs-2015-playstation-vr-to-be-priced-as-a-new-gaming-platform
The actual source quote doesn't make Iribe sound near as unsure as that article - in fact, Iribe says that "everybody agrees that if we can do it at cost that would be great for everybody". But more importantly, Palmer Luckey was saying "at cost' at the same time in very clear, solid words, and not once have they ever said otherwise.
http://www.stuff.tv/news/oculus-vr-founder-tells-stuff-were-going-sell-rift-cost-pricePalmer Luckey said:
PsVR, possibly Oculus or Vive.
Will certainly follow all the tech improvements devices will get.
Including the exiting news or breakthrough for Vive. (Which I do hope is not just more loan to actually build the units.)
Really great look on subject from Oculus Connect2.
It will be interesting to see what kind of improvement it is. (Audio, Image resolution, HDR, etc..)
Will certainly follow all the tech improvements devices will get.
Including the exiting news or breakthrough for Vive. (Which I do hope is not just more loan to actually build the units.)
They certainly seem to have some great people working on future problems.
Really great look on subject from Oculus Connect2.
Indeed.
It will be interesting to see what kind of improvement it is. (Audio, Image resolution, HDR, etc..)
flatearthpandas
Member
Absolutely no interest in a PS4 locked experience. PC will give better capability and more options for content. Not to mention Sony has a history of abandoning failing hardware very quickly. I can see a future where PSVR enthusiasts are the equivalent of today's Vita enthusiasts, except we already see a lot of the niche Japanese developers previously loyal to Sony expanding to PC. I'll decide between the PC competitors after release. Not interested enough to support anything out of the gate.
ArtHands
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One of the core reasons doesn't mean it is the only reason.
Even if these people doesn't have the will to purchase more games, doesn't mean anything. My point is, there are already 140 million gamers who already (probably) have the hardware that's almost capable of running an oculus rift. If they dont feel like playing vr games, there are still other push factors for them to get one, whether it be viewing vr movie or whatsoever.
You are stuck at the notion that the potential audience for pc vr are the people with gaming pc and buy multiple games. I am saying the potential audience are the people with gaming pc, as the headset is a general purpose headset and not just for gaming.
Ovek
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PSVR it's the only one designed for a specific hardware set and in theory should "work out of the box".
The other two have uttery pointless "exclusive" stores which will fracture the user base of a brand new and fledgling technology.
The HTC/Valve effort is by far the most awkward with its light house crap, don't get me wrong amazing tech I just can't see what Valve imagines working in most gaming setups. Let alone most PC gaming setups which have you sat directly in front of a monitor.
The other two have uttery pointless "exclusive" stores which will fracture the user base of a brand new and fledgling technology.
The HTC/Valve effort is by far the most awkward with its light house crap, don't get me wrong amazing tech I just can't see what Valve imagines working in most gaming setups. Let alone most PC gaming setups which have you sat directly in front of a monitor.
SolidusDave
Member
I don't have a PC that could run either PC VR solution so it's not really a choice for me.
Still, my biased two cents:
Maybe people will get PSVR to work on PC, maybe not. Though one thing for sure is that the PC devices will never run on the PS4, which is where I do the majority of my gaming.
Without going through lists I also have impression that PSVR will have the biggest lineup/most exclusive games (because well, Sony is the biggest developer around) so apart from some cool (probably non-gaming) indie-stuff I doubt I will miss out on much.
Being gen1 for VR, I have no trust yet in movement solutions like with the Vive. I prefer something more "conservative" and PSVR reduces the costs further for me because I already own two Move controllers (and the PS4 cam). Anything but a seated experience might also be too much for my gaming habits (that and all of the VR devices still needing cables).
I do like a lot that the PSVR can simultaneously output your view on the TV. Overall I would bet that Sony's device will the most user-friendly experience and involves less hassle to set up (especially as it should benefit that the games have to run in a fixed setup considering now you can actually getting sick from messing stuff up on
).
Regarding porn, all Sony has to do is update the Media Player app to run VR adjusted mp4s. There will be a movie-playback of some form so it only depends on if that extends to user content as well.
But to be on the save side I bought some 20€ Chinese box to put my S5 phone inside. Shitty quality but it... gets the job done... ahem
Another question would be if you guys are audio-ready for VR? You can plug in and wear any stereo headphone with the PSVR and I recommend using something of quality.
I already mostly game with my Sennheiser 558s (+mixamp for surround) anyway.
Still, my biased two cents:
Maybe people will get PSVR to work on PC, maybe not. Though one thing for sure is that the PC devices will never run on the PS4, which is where I do the majority of my gaming.
Without going through lists I also have impression that PSVR will have the biggest lineup/most exclusive games (because well, Sony is the biggest developer around) so apart from some cool (probably non-gaming) indie-stuff I doubt I will miss out on much.
Being gen1 for VR, I have no trust yet in movement solutions like with the Vive. I prefer something more "conservative" and PSVR reduces the costs further for me because I already own two Move controllers (and the PS4 cam). Anything but a seated experience might also be too much for my gaming habits (that and all of the VR devices still needing cables).
I do like a lot that the PSVR can simultaneously output your view on the TV. Overall I would bet that Sony's device will the most user-friendly experience and involves less hassle to set up (especially as it should benefit that the games have to run in a fixed setup considering now you can actually getting sick from messing stuff up on
).Regarding porn, all Sony has to do is update the Media Player app to run VR adjusted mp4s. There will be a movie-playback of some form so it only depends on if that extends to user content as well.
But to be on the save side I bought some 20€ Chinese box to put my S5 phone inside. Shitty quality but it... gets the job done... ahem
Another question would be if you guys are audio-ready for VR? You can plug in and wear any stereo headphone with the PSVR and I recommend using something of quality.
I already mostly game with my Sennheiser 558s (+mixamp for surround) anyway.
hullostranger
Member
Most probably PSVR. Will wait out for reviews and GAF impressions first though.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Definitely how I feel, I want to see how things shake out.
Either way I likely won't jump in with a 1st generation vr device
I think the tech of the Vive sounds the most interesting myself. I was all on board for Oculus and still am but Vive just sounds farther along.
But I'm probably jumpin the gun cause neither are out.
Turin Turambar
Member
It's like the early times of 3d gaming. Games would work in gpus of several companies... but because they made sure of it implementing code for each and testing it well.
Here it's the same, you make a VR game, and you have to support each device. Given that there isn't a lot of them, it isn't the biggest problem.
NotSmartEnough
Member
I'm not sure about the room-scale VR that seems to be driving some of the Vive tech decisions.
Room-scale seems cool in theory, but what proportion of the audience are going to be willing/able to dedicated that amount of space? Surely the mass market is going to be seated gaming experiences, which then leaves room-scale as either niche indie titles or additional modes on games primarily aimed at the seated market.
Room-scale seems cool in theory, but what proportion of the audience are going to be willing/able to dedicated that amount of space? Surely the mass market is going to be seated gaming experiences, which then leaves room-scale as either niche indie titles or additional modes on games primarily aimed at the seated market.
Some games for the Vive have roomscale support, so those versions obviously dont work on the rift until they release their touch controllers. But I am sure a lot of devs are targeting both systems because the market is too small to be picky really.
the VR market still needs to discover itself, we cant hold back the vive for example because we want cross compatebility. now is the time to experiment and explore options instead of holding to a standard control setup.
I think it looks awful, seriously awful. Not even far from how ridiculous looks of the Vive. I have no idea how you can even use the words sleek and stylish about it. But You know; Opinions and all.. With that said, All current VR HMDS looks like utter shit. But who cares, it's the actual experience that matters. Just close the door and enjoy.
Terbinator
Member
If you were to buy the Vive (as an example) could you use it as a cinema-size OLED screen in front of your face? Is that the whole point of VR?
Type_Raver
Member
In Valve i trust. Plus theyve made some major breakthrough which will be revealed early next year...
BrettWeir
Member
This is why I'm going Rift and PSVR. I may adopt more full room VR once they are able to get rid of the wires. Not a fan of blind tripping hazards.
RealityCheque
Banned
Seems a little defensive of you, no?
I've been burned enough times with gen 1 hardware that I'd prefer to wait this one out and let the market develop before I spend. Don't worry your pretty little head though, there'll be plenty of people jumping in on day 1.
NotSmartEnough
Member
My point was that it's a position that only the few can hold; without the early adopters to take the risk and pay the premium the technology fails and there is no 2nd gen.
With hindsight my post was unnecessarily rude. Sorry.
With hindsight my post was unnecessarily rude. Sorry.
SillyEskimo
Member
PSVR for plug and play. It's a good set to test the waters with too.
I'll let the 2 PC sets battle it out for awhile and decide which one to get when I build a new PC. My current PC will not run VR in optimal settings, so that option is out the window.
I'll let the 2 PC sets battle it out for awhile and decide which one to get when I build a new PC. My current PC will not run VR in optimal settings, so that option is out the window.