This would have mattered at launch. Not two years in
Not true Pachter. Xbox can wear braces. It closed my gap.
*checks post dates in thread*Gonna need to see your source on this one.
Not really, the ratios are the same.
Gonna need to see your source on this one.
Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One still has one main problem they have yet to resolve. They haven't been able to separate themselves far away enough from the PC market. A large quantity of their games tend to appear on PCs either same date or eventually in the future. It probably doesn't make a big enough difference but I bet there are PC owners out there who would have more incentive to buy an Xbox if they could just hold on to their exclusives. This isn't a big problem with Playstation and Nintendo games because a ton of Japanese games still aren't coming to PC on a regular basis, although that's been slowly improving.
Gonna need to see your source on this one.
Heh, I just watched this earlier today. Pity I missed the thread going up.
In any case, I'm in total agreement with Pachter.
XB1 literally has no chance as they just aren't as globally recognised as PS4.
Really?
These are places where Xbox software barely has anything in the charts when I look at PAL charts every week.
The gap in some of those EU places is damn near 7:1.
I don't want to be the defense force here...but if you've sold ~18-20 million of a thing in this amount of time, can we really call it a disappointment? Shouldn't we compare it to where the 360 was at this point in its lifespan? Just because the PS4 is doing gangbusters doesn't mean there's anything wrong with how the XB1 is performing
I dunno, they seem to be handling backwards compatibility a hell of a lot better.
So does the Wii U.
Or what the original quote you responded to was talking about, for that matter.Not sure what your talking about.
Emphasis mine. Wondering where you got your numbers on those areas from.Nah, the xb1 is doing a lot worse than the 360, particularly germany and nordic countries.
He is talking about you claiming Xbone and 360 having the same ratio in EU countries like Germany, France, etc.Not sure what your talking about.
currently ps4 35.9, xbox possible 18 mill at minimum.
is that not less than 2-1? Maybe my communication didnt seem clear, but xbox has been avoiding a 2-1 ratio for awhile now, this time barely. Which is what meant. That may change though now that its preseason and sfv is coming.
Estimates for xbox one and the sales releases from sony for Ps4 seem to have the ratio always close to 2-1 without actually being 2-1.
Thanks Captain Obvious!
He is talking about you claiming Xbone and 360 having the same ratio in EU countries like Germany, France, etc.
Sorry but you are just creating false claims here.
Nah, the xb1 is doing a lot worse than the 360
Well only he has access to numbers pulled from his own ass.It's possible he's got access to numbers I don't. Gotta show your work though. I'll wait.
This is the post you chose to quote and respond to directly.I never said that.
Nah, the xb1 is doing a lot worse than the 360, particularly germany and nordic countries.
This is the post you chose to quote and respond to directly.
Seems pretty clear to me. Eh, whatever.
Nah, the xb1 is doing a lot worse than the 360
Not really, the ratios are the same.
I have no clue why theres confusion with my post. The current sales has XB selling over the 360, the WW ratio for ps4 and xb is just short of 2-1 if 18 mill is a valid estimate. The xbox one has no lead in the us or uk, which means those countries everyone thinks the xo is doing worse than the 360 in by a large margin are making up a decent percentage of that 18 mill.
I mean, everyone seems to think the 360 was bigger than it was rotw. No, that was the market that had no momentum for the 360 and helped the ps3 catch up.
PS4: 1.600,000
Xbox One: 378,000
YTD:
PS4: 208,000
XBO: 47,000
Wii: 4.6M (42%)
PS3: 3.9M (36%)
Xbox 360: 2.4M (22%)
Similar to his claim that "the next generation most likely will be in 2019".
Like..no shit. It doesn't make you a prophet to regurgitate what the common sentiment is. Its annoying specifically because as much as he can hang onto common opinions, he gets a lot more wrong.
In the guys defense, he's doing a show, gratis, where he is asked questions that often require him to speculate. I've watched a good number of the shows the guy has done on Gametrailers and now on SIFTD and I don't think he takes his predictions as seriously as you do.
Pachter single-handedly just made Sony tremble in fear.
Not sure what your talking about.
currently ps4 35.9, xbox possible 18 mill at minimum.
is that not less than 2-1? Maybe my communication didnt seem clear, but xbox has been avoiding a 2-1 ratio for awhile now, this time barely. Which is what meant. That may change though now that its preseason and sfv is coming.
Estimates for xbox one and the sales releases from sony for Ps4 seem to have the ratio always close to 2-1 without actually being 2-1.
Sorry, but this stuff is nothing like your original claim, and what Raist was responding toI never said that.
The only post I made said the ratios where the same and that was world wide. The original post didint have anything in it for you to come up with the conclusion you did, looking back, it was a very cague post at that.
That is true, the estimates for the Xbox One has always been just short of 2 to 1` that I have seen.
Even recently, we have a supposed 18 million number and we have 35.9 ps4s, again, jsut short of 2 to 1.
My point of saying that was WW, while losing where the 36o was winning, the Xbox One is still selling according to MS, more than the 36o in the same time frame. SO, assuming that the Xbox One is doing worse in nordic countries seems odd. IMO.
The only person who made an actual claim word for word was Raist, period. Which Bish quoted above.
But of course I may have communicated poorly and caused confusion. in fact, the post I responded to wasnt very clear not that I look. So hopefully that clears things up,
to make things more clear, I was mainly responding to this part of the quote
What turn around? This gen is barely any different than last, jsut the contraction of the market made the numbers lower.
MS is losing in the same places they lost before, the only difference was two things, one was the year headstart, which was good with the cheaper price, and the fact the market had hit its peak. Seeing the 1.6 million 360 compared to 12 million wiis and 10 million PS3's is basically the same as the 50,000 Xbox One's, the almost 3 million Wii U's and the 2 million PS4's. Just the numbers looked higher on papaer so guys wrongfully think MS did much better.
The only area MS had issues with was America, and that was mostly because of Price, the DRM thing didn't really do much otherwise the launch would have been meh at best. I mean it probbaly helped but not by much. The same thing with the UK, the lack of a cheaper SKU, if not the main SKU being cheap, long-term, hurt the Xbox One sales a few months after launch. Sales didn't really start picking up again until July after the price cut, and then Xbox One blew out the PS4 during the holidays of that same year.
Every other country sans UK, is exactly the same as it was before, just the numbers aren't as big as before mostly do to how the market was. It has zero to do with Sony's or MS's policies outside a small percentage.
Oh, and I guess that late launch in tier 2 countries may have had some effect as well, but while those do ad a chunk its not that significant.
Nah, the xb1 is doing a lot worse than the 360, particularly germany and nordic countries.
This all stemmed from this post, mentioning the fact that MS had squandered what little WW popularity the 360 did manage to achieve. You responded to that by saying that Bone was really only down in US and UK, and that was because of the price, and said, "Every other country sans UK, is exactly the same as it was before, just the numbers aren't as big as before mostly do to how the market was." So you're pretty clearly claiming that MS hadn't lost any share from the 360 outside of US/UK, and the only reason they're selling fewer units is because fewer consoles are being sold.Not really, the ratios are the same.
Xbox to win this gen confirmed.
Thanks Captain Obvious!
So which is it?
Or what the original quote you responded to was talking about, for that matter.
Emphasis mine. Wondering where you got your numbers on those areas from.
It was this part I was mainly concentrating on
But to be honest, now that I look seems I wasnt really paying attention to what I was replying to.
Minecraft 2 would make an impact.
The best thing MS can do right now is learn from what Sony did at the end of last gen. Finish this gen strong by releasing good first party games. Sony focused on first party games and that has been a huge payoff for them. Sony's 2009-2013 released some amazing first party games and they capped it off in 2013 with GT6, Beyond, and TLoU. They finished strong with PS3 and that got people excited for PS4. MS needs to do the same and finish strong with the bone. They can't keep releasing Gears, Halo, Forza, and Fable each Holiday and think that somehow, magically, that people are going to abandon their PS4's and get a bone. All that does is cause franchise fatigue and all those games that used to routinely sell 4 or 5 million copies each are now barely limping towards a million. They need new first party IP. New IP are what get people excited, and Sea of Thieves is a good start. How about letting 343 make something that isn't Halo. Sony let ND do something different and they made TLoU. So there you go.
Minecraft 2 would make an impact.
lol, let me add
reach 1% of China