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Lionhead Studios and Press Play closed. Fable legends cancelled.

Yeah, the game started under Harrison (he said it was one of the most fun projects in his career), but Spencer did approve it.

Ultimately every part of the Xbox leadership shares some blame/credit for just about everything that's happened in the past 4 years.

I don't agree with this at all. This year The Witness and Firewatch have both been a huge success. And we have stuff like Salt and Sanctuary and No Man's Sky coming up, that will probably do really well as well. The small/mid-scale is thriving right now.

I meant to say that the games made by Press Play/Twisted Pixel hasn't seem to be anything more than modest successes.
 

wapplew

Member
Yeah, the game started under Harrison (he said it was one of the most fun projects in his career), but Spencer did approve it back in November 2014 when he got to see it for the first time and play it.

So, Spencer also approve Fable Legends by this logic, cause he was GM of MS studio that time.
Unless Agent Phil go behind Spencer's back and pitch the idea to Mattrick directly.
 

rrc1594

Member
I'm not going to pan Phil as a bad guy because LHS and PP were closed down. I just assume when your Platform is not doing well you are going to half cut some loses. Was there maybe other option maybe I don't know. I do think Phil has done a good job since become the head of Xbox. I will not give him high praises because it's his job and is what he gets payed to do. I think this E3 is going to be a good way to see what's plan for Xbox.
 
It seems as though if the game isn't going anywhere after the 3 year mark prepare for it to be cancelled. 3 years is a long time to not have your shit together.
 
I'm not going to pan Phil as a bad guy because LHS and PP were closed down. I just assume when your Platform is not doing well you are going to half cut some loses. Was there maybe other option maybe I don't know. I do think Phil has done a good job since become the head of Xbox. I will not give him high praises because it's his job and is what he gets payed to do. I think this E3 is going to be a good way to see what's plan for Xbox.

I think E3 this year for Xbox will be probably the most important E3 for them. I am not gonna run around calling doom and gloom like a lot of others are doing happily. I am also not going to have hopes for MS exiting the industry cause I think that is childish/ignorant way of thinking.

However, whatever it is they have planned in store...I do hope they come with a clear precise/transparent vision of how they are moving forward. The best thing for them to do is to show some honesty right now.
 

benedictm

Banned
the closure of Lionhead is very sad, especially for the employees but it does feel like the company had been Microsoft's testing ground for awhile. The Kinect thing, the episodic pricing for Fable 2 (long after it came out) , a free2play.

Their last three games were not exactly creative Tour de Forces as well: a Castle Crashers rip-off, a Kinect game and a remake of Fable 1. I wonder how much of the talent from The 'goo ' days stayed with them

To be honest, given the way Rare have been treated I'm amazed that Sea of Thieves has been announced and can't wait for it's release... Oh.

I'm most sad to not see a new current gen Fable 4 - it could have been a beautiful thing. Hey, maybe they can get Peter to do it over at 22 Cans. They are doing GRRRRREAT at shipping popular games.
 

Sydle

Member
So, Spencer also approve Fable Legends by this logic, cause he was GM of MS studio that time.

In Nov 2014 Spencer was Head of Xbox.

Harrison had been running the EMEA show since he joined in 2012. He appointed John Needham to run Lionhead in early 2014 and had him as a direct report.

Again, I'm sure Spencer was there in some capacity, but it seemed like Harrison had started a bunch of things. LiftLondon, for example, was entirely Harrison's baby. Then Harrison had Rare build out the Sea of Thieves concept before Spencer even knew what Rare was working on.

Harrison was also a direct report to Mattrick. In that kind of structure it would seem easy to do things with or without Spencer's full buy in.

Not defending Spencer, just saying that it's not that much of a stretch to believe the ex Lionhead employee about Harrison's vision of EMEA working of non traditional games.
 
In Nov 2014 Spencer was Head of Xbox.

As well as being the head of MS Studios.

I'm sure his overall management of the studios have changed a lot, since he's now responsible for far more than just 1st-party portfolio, but he's essentially still putting himself out there as the person who's spearheading the vision of MS's 1st-party portfolio, even if his direct reports from a games-perspective are just the Halo, Forza, Gears & Minecraft franchises.
 

SOR5

Member
Uhhh so 343 is downsizing?

Lawd Microsoft are moving quickly on their "new vision" for Xbox right now.

I did and I saw a company reveal they're leaving the console business and considering releasing some all-in-one gaming PCs under the Xbox brand if there is sufficient demand for it.

Another piece in the jigsaw puzzle that is MS leaving the console business and reorienting around another push for PC.

Don't worry they won't be announcing too many games full stop from now on.

They are leaving the pick up and play, high end gaming market, also known as the console market. That's what this is..

If they're smart, and it looks like they are, management will have told Rare to focus primarily on Sea of Thieves being a PC MMO. Sure it will have an Xbox One release but if that game isn't going to be axed then it's going to effectively be a PC game.

Imagine a low end gaming PC bundled with an Xbox One controller and marketed to consumers, now you're imagining the future of Xbox tm.

If you think that will sell enough to warrant developer support, then fine, if you don't, then fine, but that's what's coming.

The wider cultural impact of Halo 5 appears to be near zero and most sources claim the sales were mediocre.
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This game could still be cancelled, sure, but what I mean is they better be seriously prioritising Windows 10 in their marketing plan for this game because it won't survive on the Xbox One that's for sure.

I guess now that Microsoft are leaving the console market and refocusing on PC it might make sense for them to basically take the major IPs they've got; Gear, Halo, Forza and to a lesser extent Halo and the Rare franchises - and in future just lease them out to external developers and remain the publishers only, despite the closing of first party studios as part of the wind down of the Xbox division. Those franchises already reached peak cache (and are now on the decline) so there's no need for them to continually invest in them internally when they aren't looking to foster the library of any more home consoles.

Interested to see how MS attempt to break the news lightly to mega fans like yourself at E3. I'm gonna go with "look at all these PC games! Now coming to Xbox One...(when you install Windows 10).

The vaguery is deliberate, their plan is to wind down the Xbox division and ramp up this UWP campaign to monetise PC gaming as much as possible.

guys i think MS might be leaving the console market
 
It's frankly hilarious to continue seeing many UK/ US media push the story that Phil Spencer is the promised savior, up to and including mentionning "Mattrick's team" with Phil Harrison to place blame, omitting to say that Phil was a key part of the Xbox management team even then as the head of MS Game Studios...

So the evidential truth hurts your feelings in some way

Anyway I think MS might make something more like a steambox, if thats what people are saying when leaving the console business talk. I don't see the traditional console lasting for long anyway. Consoles are always evolving.

guys i think MS might be leaving the console market

I'm glad he let us know
 
As well as being the head of MS Studios.

I'm sure his overall management of the studios have changed a lot, since he's now responsible for far more than just 1st-party portfolio, but he's essentially still putting himself out there as the person who's spearheading the vision of MS's 1st-party portfolio, even if his direct reports from a games-perspective are just the Halo, Forza, Gears & Minecraft franchises.

He has also said he doesnt force teams to work on things, now its up to the individual whether they believe that but if the European head is pushing them in a direction and they hire management to support that vision, maybe that is what they wanted to do.

The MCV article is pretty damning on a few things though
 
He has also said he doesnt force teams to work on things, now its up to the individual whether they believe that but if the European head is pushing them in a direction and they hire management to support that vision, maybe that is what they wanted to do.

The MCV article is pretty damning on a few things though

I'm sorry, I don't quite get on which particular point that you're replying to me to? I'm in agreement with pretty much what you said anyway.
 

Sydle

Member
He has also said he doesnt force teams to work on things, now its up to the individual whether they believe that but if the European head is pushing them in a direction and they hire management to support that vision, maybe that is what they wanted to do.

The MCV article is pretty damning on a few things though

You know much about Hanno Lemke? I know he originally came from BlackTusk before Fergusson took over, but has he shared any of his thoughts on his ideas behind managing the EMEA studios?
 
I think studios like Press Play and Twisted Pixel were acquired back when there was a desire to have the mid-tier/smaller scale product portfolio lineup that complements the big AAA games.

But those kind of games doesn't really seem to do well, but rather are just complementary to the portfolio.

Uhm. A lot of the smaller indie hits had a 10x ROI. There's very, very few AAA games that can boast about the same kinda stats.

If anything, I'd say AAA is taking a hell of a beating right now. There's almost no risk-taking, simply due to development costs being exorbitant by now and we've seen a lot of AAA failures or disappointments recently.

So I wouldn't be so quick to frown upon productions that make their money back ten-fold and then some... especially if those productions also result in gamers getting some genuinely good games.
 

Ushay

Member
What a horrible, horrible username/gamertag to use.

LMAO.

Anyhow, I get the feeling Lionhead may be rebranded into another studio dedicated to a new RPG genre, feels like the name Lionhead has too much of a negative stigma attached to it after the mess Molyneux left behind.

Either that or MS is going with what works, ie keep the big hitters internal and outsource the rest. I hope they (and Sony for that matter) create a new RPG IP to go with their other mainstream games.
 

benedictm

Banned
Imagine the heaping serving of crow for everyone who called him crazy if he actually happens.

Well yes. I just tweeted a link to the list of his comments to Phil Spencer. He tweeted me back:

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Anyone got Caprinha's email so he can reach out to him
 
Uhm. A lot of the smaller indie hits had a 10x ROI. There's very, very few AAA games that can boast about the same kinda stats.

If anything, I'd say AAA is taking a hell of a beating right now. There's almost no risk-taking, simply due to development costs being exorbitant by now and we've seen a lot of AAA failures or disappointments recently.

So I wouldn't be so quick to frown upon productions that make their money back ten-fold and then some...

On a per-game basis, I don't disagree at all.

On a product portfolio perspective, all the big publishers are pivoting their lineup towards the framework of "largely hit-driving titles only."

That's not to say that all big publishers are exiting the space that studios like Press Play occupy. But I do see a trend where they're not that interested in maintaining a sizable amount of fixed overhead for said studios.
 
You know much about Hanno Lemke? I know he originally came from BlackTusk before Fergusson took over, but has he shared any of his thoughts on his ideas behind managing the EMEA studios?

Not really. He was at EA Black Box studios when Kudo was at EA Chicago then was CEO and co-founder (with Don Mattrick) of BigPark when MS bought them, moved to Black Tusk to head their Canada teams in general before going over to manage the European studios. He was presumably one of the people that voted in favour of Black Tusk working on Gears of War

He doesn't tweet much or do many interviews... I guess his job just got a lot simpler now he has half the studios to oversee

I'm sorry, I don't quite get on which particular point that you're replying to me to? I'm in agreement with pretty much what you said anyway.

I was more following the thread of the quotes which your one was last too, looking at Phil's role and how he says he does things. wasn't intending to be seen as arguing against you! I probably should have quoted the same post you did.
 
Anyhow, I get the feeling Lionhead may be rebranded into another studio dedicated to a new RPG genre, feels like the name Lionhead has too much of a negative stigma attached to it after the mess Molyneux left behind.

Rebranding has no need of a "proposed closure discussions." (as mandated by UK laws)

Vancouver was never closed before it got renamed to Black Tusk and rinse repeat for the second renaming to Coalition.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Well yes. I just tweeted a link to the list of his comments to Phil Spencer. He tweeted me back:

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Anyone got Caprinha's email so he can reach out to him

And yet Lionhead closes and it went over Phil's head. He can say that. But if the rest of MS wants to shift traditional console to a steambox model. He really has no say. And there is evidence that this in a couple years would develop into what people have been preaching. Think about it. 110 million Windows 10 users and growing vs. 15+ million on Xbox one.

If Minecraft and the likes start getting people engaged on Xbox platform on tablet/PC Phil will be battling a uphill battle to keep focus on console when rest of MS want to merge it with 10 platform.
 

MrHoot

Member
Well yes. I just tweeted a link to the list of his comments to Phil Spencer. He tweeted me back:

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Anyone got Caprinha's email so he can reach out to him

Honestly this doesn't mean much. Like you're not gonna have the head of the division outright go "Yeah nah he's right we probably gonna rethink stuff soon"
 

GHG

Member
Right now, the narrative is that people above him are pressuring him into these unpopular decisions. So basically nothing has changed. He's still helpless. Why continue blitheringly believe in someone who has no power?

The reality is that he's just a PR puppet. I'm sure he's actually a good guy and does care, but don't get it twisted, he's not the one really in charge.

Anyone who has ever worked at a large American corporate will know that.

no xbox is not going anywhere, its in it for the long haul

"I promise"
 
Well yes. I just tweeted a link to the list of his comments to Phil Spencer. He tweeted me back:

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Anyone got Caprinha's email so he can reach out to him

You're telling me that the head of a multi-front division that is branded around a central word ("Xbox") and that is currently both actively moving its efforts over to PC and exploring non-closed OS hardware options with that same branding, just denied that a product they are still selling & supporting wasn't going anywhere?

You realize, up until the day Sega publicly came out & announced they had discontinued production on the Dreamcast, they were still 'all-in' as far as PR goes? They even had projects in the pipeline & everything? And i'm not even a person who believes MS is going to abandon the X1!
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
You're telling me that the head of a multi-front division that is branded around a central word ("Xbox") and that is currently both actively moving its efforts over to PC and exploring non-closed OS hardware options with that same branding, just denied that a product they are still selling & supporting wasn't going anywhere?

You realize, up until the day Sega publicly came out & announced they had discontinued production on the Dreamcast, they were still 'all-in' as far as PR goes? They even had projects in the pipeline & everything? And i'm not even a person who believes MS is going to abandon the X1!

Exactly. Taking Phil's tweets at face value is hilariously naive.
 
Imagine the heaping serving of crow for everyone who called him crazy if he actually happens.

People of this ilk have been spouting the same nonsense for years. One day it may actually happen, but that doesn't make these people right. They were also wrong a thousand times too.

There's a clear difference between someone posting intelligible criticism and doubt, and someone posting the same old tired anti-fanboy rhetoric.
 

benedictm

Banned
You're telling me that the head of a multi-front division that is branded around a central word ("Xbox") and that is currently both actively moving its efforts over to PC and exploring non-closed OS hardware options with that same branding, just denied that a product they are still selling & supporting wasn't going anywhere?

You realize, up until the day Sega publicly came out & announced they had discontinued production on the Dreamcast, they were still 'all-in' as far as PR goes? They even had projects in the pipeline & everything? And i'm not even a person who believes MS is going to abandon the X1!

Guys guys! Of course. I'm just poking fun at Caprinha's weird obsession. I'm finding that funny.

i did;t expect a reply from Phil!
 
-_-

Of course the Xbox One will remain important to MS.

If MS wants to successfully transition in the near future, to a more "PC-ish hardware model", it's essential that their core audience (eg the XB1 owners) don't feel betrayed.

Ultimately, they're also the ones who will be the earliest supporters of these kind of new initiatives.

It's not all that different for WiiU. Nintendo, for all intents and purposes, are still releasing software on the WiiU, because that engaged WiiU audience is important for the success of the NX.
 
The reality is that he's just a PR puppet. I'm sure he's actually a good guy and does care, but don't get it twisted, he's not the one really in charge.

Anyone who has ever worked at a large American corporate will know that.



"I promise"

old broads like me always know these things
 

Synth

Member
And yet Lionhead closes and it went over Phil's head. He can say that. But if the rest of MS wants to shift traditional console to a steambox model. He really has no say. And there is evidence that this in a couple years would develop into what people have been preaching. Think about it. 110 million Windows 10 users and growing vs. 15+ million on Xbox one.

If Minecraft and the likes start getting people engaged on Xbox platform on tablet/PC Phil will be battling a uphill battle to keep focus on console when rest of MS want to merge it with 10 platform.

Obviously we shouldn't take things any company representative says as hard fact (they're obviously not going to say something "nah, we done" any earlier than absolutely necessary), but that's not a reason to act like the opposite is true either. The logic to expand to Windows 10 makes sense, you could be talking 400 millions Winows 10 users versus like 40-50 million Xbox One consoles.. however despite both pools being "potential customers", they're not really equivalent in all other ways. Xbox One customers have explicitly demonstrated that they're both looking to buy games, and that they're willing to buy them from MS specifically. They've also demonstrated that they're willing to pay for online subscription services. Steam theoretically has a potential addressable audience far larger than every console combined... but that doesn't equate to the potential (or at least predictable) sales scaling along with it.

Honestly, I can't see many scenarios where the expansion into PC gaming causes the existence of the consoles to make less sense then they did prior. I can see the argument for less games being produced (ala Valve), but not for them no longer valuing a box that sells to people that are adverse to the specifics of PC gaming, which also doesn't present them with their competitor's ecosystems as a direct alternative.
 

Ushay

Member
guys i think MS might be leaving the console market

I'll give him an A for effort at least.

Don't worry guys, there's plenty of crow to go around when MS is still here for years to come. Just like they were 5 years ago. A wish is a far cry from reality. Opinions are great, but come on now, even I feel pretty embarrassed reading some of these posts.
 

Sydle

Member
Spencer really meant Xbox is critical to their gaming future, just that gaming is not critical to MS future.

Except the CEO has said gaming was important to Windows.

Not really. He was at EA Black Box studios when Kudo was at EA Chicago then was CEO and co-founder (with Don Mattrick) of BigPark when MS bought them, moved to Black Tusk to head their Canada teams in general before going over to manage the European studios. He was presumably one of the people that voted in favour of Black Tusk working on Gears of War

He doesn't tweet much or do many interviews... I guess his job just got a lot simpler now he has half the studios to oversee

I don't hold the vote for Gears against him. Building a new AAA IP is risky and Gears is a pretty safe bet to sell a few million.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Obviously we shouldn't take things any company representative says as hard fact (they're obviously not going to say something "nah, we done" any earlier than absolutely necessary), but that's not a reason to act like the opposite is true either. The logic to expand to Windows 10 makes sense, you could be talking 400 millions Winows 10 users versus like 40-50 million Xbox One consoles.. however despite both pools being "potential customers", they're not really equivalent in all other ways. Xbox One customers have explicitly demonstrated that they're both looking to buy games, and that they're willing to buy them from MS specifically. They've also demonstrated that they're willing to pay for online subscription services. Steam theoretically has a potential addressable audience far larger than every console combined... but that doesn't equate to the potential (or at least predictable) sales scaling along with it.

Honestly, I can't see many scenarios where the expansion into PC gaming causes the existence of the consoles to make less sense then they did prior. I can see the argument for less games being produced (ala Valve), but not for them no longer valuing a box that sells to people that are adverse to the specifics of PC gaming, which also doesn't present them with their competitor's ecosystems as a direct alternative.

It's not that consoles would make less sense, it's that traditional consoles wouldn't. Their plan is to have their own brand of PC windows box that will run xbox OS, but also have windows 10 functionality with apps.
It's already starting with announcing they want native apps on xbox one. Once their fresh comes out that they were talking about. They will probably make deals like steam did with third party manufacturer's as to have different tiers of a box that wil play xbox one games and play newer ones more optimized and designed with the higher tier specs.

Then once those take off, they may get out of having their own brand of box all together, and just throw in a licensed controller, or make it compatible with any existing xbox controller.
That's how I think it will go down. And the days of traditional console for MS will be gone, and if UWA pissed people off, they may quite with their dedicated MS branded PC box, and go with third party running windows 10 with xbox gui like big picture mode setup for people to use.

UWA could blow up in their face and force them, to allow more third party development on windows 10 platform, which would in fact kill the console. People would just buy a dell, gateway, acer, asus lenovo branded xbox pc box plug it in and start playing games they can get digitally cheaper, or games they bought retail.

This E3 will be telling if we see and hear alot of PC talk with xbox brand.

I'll give him an A for effort at least.

Don't worry guys, there's plenty of crow to go around when MS is still here for years to come. Just like they were 5 years ago. A wish is a far cry from reality. Opinions are great, but come on now, even I feel pretty embarrassed reading some of these posts.

Who is saying they are not going to be around? I'm saying they won't be the traditional XBOX we know, in a few years. That their focus won't be on a dedicated traditional made console. It will be on the xbox platform itself, which would in fact make the dedicated console be irrelevant since there will be more options to play your dedicated xbox games.
If this actually goes through and UWA get's accepted.
 
I don't agree with this at all. This year The Witness and Firewatch have both been a huge success. And we have stuff like Salt and Sanctuary and No Man's Sky coming up, that will probably do really well as well. The small/mid-scale is thriving right now.
What do those indie games have in common? There all appearing first and being heavily advertised on PS4. Other than Ori the Xbox One really hasn't had any runaway success with indie games. It doesn't help that the store is a complete mess.
 

Synth

Member
It's not that consoles would make less sense, it's that traditional consoles wouldn't. Their plan is to have their own brand of PC windows box that will run xbox OS, but also have windows 10 functionality with apps.
It's already starting with announcing they want native apps on xbox one. Once their fresh comes out that they were talking about. They will probably make deals like steam did with third party manufacturer's as to have different tiers of a box that wil play xbox one games and play newer ones more optimized and designed with the higher tier specs.

Then once those take off, they may get out of having their own brand of box all together, and just throw in a licensed controller, or make it compatible with any existing xbox controller.
That's how I think it will go down. And the days of traditional console for MS will be gone, and if UWA pissed people off, they may quite with their dedicated MS branded PC box, and go with third party running windows 10 with xbox gui like big picture mode setup for people to use.

UWA could blow up in their face and force them, to allow more third party development on windows 10 platform, which would in fact kill the console. People would just buy a dell, gateway, acer, asus lenovo branded xbox pc box plug it in and start playing games they can get digitally cheaper, or games they bought retail.

This E3 will be telling if we see and hear alot of PC talk with xbox brand.

I think we'll hear a lot of PC talk with Xbox brand regardless, if Xbox is how they're going to brand their PC gaming too.

I do think the potential scenario of other companies building Xboxes is plausible... but then I would say this about any console manufacturer really (and numerous have technically done this beofre, albeit with a single general spec). None of that seems very closely tied to any of what we're actively discussing here. The "traditional console" model changes with the times. The Xbox One was already non-traditional in the sense that it was always going to be tied to Windows and Windows apps. It was already a play for multimedia beyond gaming... hell the PS3 last gen "only did everything" and initially shipped with the ability to install another OS. Nintendo's the closest to still having something that fits the idea of a traditional console in the way that it would have meant in the past. With the move to x86 processors, we're more discussing a break from the traditional console "cycle".

All this other speculation about steambox models with numerous manufacturers, or MS no longer making the hardware (which is actually opposite of the direction they've gone in other sectors with Lumia and Surface) is just speculation, and not really aligned with any of the events that have recently transpired.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
I think we'll hear a lot of PC talk with Xbox brand regardless, if Xbox is how they're going to brand their PC gaming too.

I do think the potential scenario of other companies building Xboxes is plausible... but then I would say this about any console manufacturer really (and numerous have technically done this beofre, albeit with a single general spec). None of that seems very closely tied to any of what we're actively discussing here. The "traditional console" model changes with the times. The Xbox One was already non-traditional in the sense that it was always going to be tied to Windows and Windows apps. It was already a play for multimedia beyond gaming... hell the PS3 last gen "only did everything" and initially shipped with the ability to install another OS. Nintendo's the closest to still having something that fits the idea of a traditional console in the way that it would have meant in the past. With the move to x86 processors, we're more discussing a break from the traditional console "cycle".

All this other speculation about steambox models with numerous manufacturers, or MS no longer making the hardware (which is actually opposite of the direction they've gone in other sectors with Lumia and Surface) is just speculation, and not really aligned with any of the events that have recently transpired.

So you think they will treat it similar to how the surface is being treated with the different tiers in specs and what not?
 

MisterR

Member
Guys guys! Of course. I'm just poking fun at Caprinha's weird obsession. I'm finding that funny.

i did;t expect a reply from Phil!

To be fair, it seems like you're more obsessed with him than he is with that. Taking the time to round up all his comments and then to send them to Phil Spencer. Kind of weird.
 

Synth

Member
So you think they will treat it similar to how the surface is being treated with the different tiers in specs and what not?

Not really. I think the Surface has a large range of specs/models because there's nothing close to a "one-size fits all" PC. There's far less advantage to 3 or more performance tiers for a console or set-top box. We have some variation in regards to SKUs (different HDD sizes being the most common), but I'd imagine that a single new spec console every x years makes more sense than 3 or more annually. I personally subscribe to the XB1 -> XB1.5 -> XB2 -> XB2.5 model with each console occurring every 3-4 years, and every integer upgrade being akin to a new generation in order to align with the current competition (say PS5), and the .5 revisions having the same library as the original console (i.e. it wouldn't get NN3DS type games exclusive to it).

But again, this is all just my speculation at this point too... but I think it makes sense with what Phil said in regards to coming out with new hardware. Meaningful hardware innovations don't happen on a yearly basis for consoles, whilst they arguably do in the mobile and tablet space currently.
 
You're telling me that the head of a multi-front division that is branded around a central word ("Xbox") and that is currently both actively moving its efforts over to PC and exploring non-closed OS hardware options with that same branding, just denied that a product they are still selling & supporting wasn't going anywhere?

You realize, up until the day Sega publicly came out & announced they had discontinued production on the Dreamcast, they were still 'all-in' as far as PR goes? They even had projects in the pipeline & everything? And i'm not even a person who believes MS is going to abandon the X1!

Although i agree with you for the most part, couldn't have Phil just not responded to the tweet instead of giving gamer's something to point to in the event that the X1 is abandoned. Im sure the guy gets like 1000 tweets a second...why bring attention to this post if the plan is to ultimately abandon the x1 in the future?
 
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