For a proper review of a game, it should not just be done for the core player of that genre, but for all players. It's illogical to make a sort of complaint about a reviewer just because he doesn't do fighting reviews and complains about a mechanic that may be in other fighting games.
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Pokkén Tournament Review Thread
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For a proper review of a game, it should not just be done for the core player of that genre, but for all players. It's illogical to make a sort of complaint about a reviewer just because he doesn't do fighting reviews and complains about a mechanic that may be in other fighting games.
Derrick is actually my favorite reviewer on Gamexplain. Hes also their resident Pokemon player.
Andre talks way too robotic.
Well, it's not entirely his fault that he thinks this way. Even combo-heavy games like Blazblue or Guilty Gear fail to explain to players how they're supposed to function because they just assume you already know.
If tutorials would just explicitly say "HEY you can hit people in ways where you can keep hitting them for 8 seconds", then casuals wouldn't see it happen and think it was an anomaly.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
err, blazblue and guilty gear have very in depth tutorial modes these days, like, extremely in depth
Ywah, but if that's the case and it's about visually seeing them, hence clones don't count, then how come all the assists don't count? Aren't there like 20-30? Heck maybe even the ones you see in the backgrounds...
TheSlySoul
Member
I was expecting around 75 average.
Gamespot giving a 9 is surprising though.
Edit: Wow that GameXplain review. Long one...
I agree with bad backgrounds and VA.
Gamespot giving a 9 is surprising though.
Edit: Wow that GameXplain review. Long one...
I agree with bad backgrounds and VA.
PreyingShark
Member
The reason it's "ending in the summer" is because that's when the Pokémon World Championships are. That's it. The Championship Series being in September and end with August's World Championships. Currently there are TCG and VGC Championship Series. They're adding Pokken to that.
That's all there is to it lol
I'm pretty bad at fighting games but picked up Blaze Blue ChronoPhantasma Extend recently. I was completely blown away by how in-depth the tutorial was. Aside from tutorials going over the fundamentals of the game, which are substantial, they also have tutorials and challenges for every individual character going over their specials and how to play them in specific situations.
That makes more sense, & I suppose competing with the Capcom Cup for the December slot wouldn't have ended well.
ratcliffja
Member
I'm surprised that this is scoring so highly. I might pick it up some time.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
So most of the complaints are lack of content (which is fair, except for the characters) and mechanics (which scream of git gud)
OricWindstar
Member
Are there any FGC people talking about this in depth other than Shofu?
entremet
Member
People need to get their hands on it first.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
His complaint sounded more like he took issue with the amount of damage inflicted by a single combo, and not that combos exist. Isn't Derrick a Street Fighter fan?
TheSlySoul
Member
I think lack of content/characters is valid.
I really do not want to buy a fighter if I get tired of it in 4 hours. I made that mistake with Mortal Kombat X.
Did you enjoy the game?
There's no denying the small roster size but putting the "/721" there rubs me the wrong way. Like, if the game had 300 Pokémon it'd still be less than half of 721, so still a con?
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Pretty sure they're being cheeky.
TheSlySoul
Member
Seems like an odd thing to put. I would say fighters should strive for around 20 characters now.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's a new fighting game though. If this game is successful we'll definitely see 30-ish.
Like I said about content though, it's fair.
El Sabroso
Member
I feel ya, is more about the balance of the mechanics of the game if a combo breaking mechanic has to be there or not than just being easy to casual players, even in some cases is a mechanic that is available by chose, as seen in rising thunder
I have been enjoying the game. The single-player can get repetitive due to its structure, but the online has been a blast and it's been my go to game when I need my fighting fix. I can't wait for the game to be out so I can find online matches more regularly.
They can take away a fair amount of damage, but most characters have an HP recovery counter-attack or activating their Burst Attack will recover a certain % of HP. Never mind the Support Pokemon that can do the same thing.
The halved framerate and having to use the GamePad screen for 2P kind of sucks, but it makes sense considering what this game is: it's an arcade port, where the original arcade version used one screen per player, and each player had their own view. Trying to shoehorn it onto one screen would have required a complete redesign.
What I really like and appreciate is that they preserved the arcade version's LAN support, so that the game can still be played the way it was originally meant to be played. Sure, it requires two consoles, but it's in. Much better than the PS3 versions of Time Crisis 4, which forced that horrid split-screen view.
For the record, Namco has almost never released their fighting games on consoles, then re-released them as "super" or expanded versions. The only time it happened AFAIK was when Tekken 5 came out on PS2, then Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection came out on PS3 (digital-only). Since then, they've waited for the expansions before even releasing console versions at all. There are no console versions--and seemingly never will be console versions--of Tekken 6, Tekken Tag 2 or Tekken 7; instead, we got Bloodline Rebellion and Tekken Unlimited, and we'll be getting Fated Retribution. So I'm not saying it's impossible, but history suggests the odds are against it.
FWIW, Tekken 7 has been out for over a year now and Fated Retribution is releasing soon, so development on Tekken 7 seems to about be done.
PreyingShark
Member
The English voice acting for Travis is even more amazing than Nia's. Here's a quick sound clip.
Neoleo2143
Member
Honestly the combo complaint is actually refreshing, shorter combos but massive damage is something that reminds me of super turbo SF2.
Glitchesarecool
Member
God I'm torn about this. It'd be basically just me and my fiancee playing against each other, but I don't like the idea of the lowered framerate and Gamepad requirement during 2p. I assume lan support would require two copies of the game?
PreyingShark
Member
Min is 2 Wii U's, 2 copies of the game, and a wireless router. But going wired is recommended of course.
EDIT: You don't technically need two screens due to off-tv play. But of course having two screens is recommended if you're going through all that hassle anyways. lol
Okay that solidifies it, I'm switching to Japanese VAs first chance I get.
And that's why I muted voices in the game. Nothing of value was lost by doing so.
OricWindstar
Member
I was hoping some others had been given early copies.
Glitchesarecool
Member
We have two already so that isn't a problem, but I didn't realize it wouldn't just do split screen for some reason. I guess I pictured the arcade version.
Oh well, get one and play it a bit slower I guess.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
I should've seen if I could've gotten one. Too late now.
Yeah, can go with that.
Smash has me spoiled!
One of the very first things in Pokken 2's design document should be to seek the announcer from the Pokémon Stadium games and let him go nuts.
FunkyDealer
Banned
Tekken 7 will release with 20 characters according to Wikipedia. That's the seventh game. I don't think Pokken looks all that bad in comparison with 16 on the first entry.
Hopefully they'll add a couple more as DLC. And make a sequel for NX, which I'm sure will have more than 20 playable 'mons.
Using the same data, you can say that all Tekken games starting with 5 received a major update before calling it a day. Most initial versions may have missed a console release, but it makes sense that TPC would prioritise a console release for Nintendo, versus Namco who has no responsibility towards a platform holder.
I really doubt Pokkén was made to stay forever on Wii U. A direct NX port may be considered too-little-too-late, and a sequel is hardly warranted at this point. The DR/BR/FR treatment makes the most sense to me.
Which is unlikely since we're at the tail-end of the Wii U's life.
i still find it odd how the pokemon character select screen looks like it's meant to fit 20 pokemon
TheBlackAdept
Member
My review, over at VentureBeat. 79/100.
http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/15/p...mon-somewhere-new-the-fringes-of-fan-fiction/
http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/15/p...mon-somewhere-new-the-fringes-of-fan-fiction/
OricWindstar
Member
Smash Wii U taught me that select screens don't have to make any kind of logical sense.
PreyingShark
Member
B-b-but that amazing voice acting!
Seriously though I'm switching to Japanese VAs as soon as I can too. Nia's I can stand now, but what sounds like a white guy making the worst "black guy voice" ever? No. Thank. You.
Otherwise the game looks great, but as I've said before I wouldn't recommend this for single player-only folks.
A Link to the Past
Banned
As someone who hasn't played the game yet, this seems appropriate enough of a score. I'd like to have seen the game with more characters and assists; maybe they'll be kind and offer a handful of them down the road as free DLC a la Mario Maker and Splatoon. I still need Mawile, Heracross, Venusaur, Blastoise, Snorlax, and whatever Rock-type Pokémon they can think to add.
FunkyDealer
Banned
Yeah, I don't expect it. But there's always hope. And being on the tail-end means Nintendo needs to focus on selling to the existing userbase, which makes DLC a relatively good idea.
Tekken 7 is scheduled to get several additional fighters as DLC as well, but then that's a PS4 title.
DecoReturns
Member
Melee had only 5 spots and then you were like "whaaaat?, why is Falco next to fox?"
Screens don't mean much
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Expected this to be one of those spin off games that turns out to be a bit shit, so was surprised to see it getting decent reviews. Might have to check it out now.
FunkyDealer
Banned
Could be that it was designed before they knew the final number, and they just made sure they could add or remove a few without it looking really bad. We may never know.