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[Zombie James]

Or it will be like the time the gaming media insisted Sony, too were planning to use always online DRM in their new console, and it was bullshit fed to them by sources who were just looking to take some of the heat away from Microsoft.

A gaming console running games in native 4K is not plausible anytime soon.

Meeeeemories.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

They are going to call it PS4K aren't they?

 

[Omnistalgic]

It's PS5 with full BC, in late 2018.

I'm ok with this too...

My plan was upgrade every 4 years, but doing it in the 5th is cool. I would say ps4 needs a refresh mid-cycle though. A slim version, new colors, bigger drives etc...

 

[c0de]

Good that I waited this gen. Perhaps that is what UC4 ran on at the 60fps trailer?

 

[omonimo]

I'm more interested in a more powerful CPU for 60 fps in the ps4.5. I don't care to have 4k. Useless upgrade.

 

[sublimit]

Ah good ol' Shitaku is back.Nice.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Imagine if they did contracts with your favorite wireless provider too!

$0 down on a 2 year contract!

 

[shawnbuddy]

I'm skeptical of this, but if I could really finally play 4K games on my 4KTV for less than $400 bucks, I'd buy a second PS4 in a minute.

 

[RealityPales]

Arrogant Sony hath returneth

 

[On Demand]

Sigh.

No thank you.

Sony and MS can fuck off with this shit.

 

[k4n3]

this would be a giant mistake sony finally won a console war and now they are doing something stupid like this? it just opens the door for steam boxes

 

[FyreWulff]

Hey, so regardless if the PS4K is a rumor or not,
what say some of you expert techies that know the ps4 and have toyed around with it,
is there anything there that be added to expand it's power, where would the "upgrade" even go, through the HDD, the USB ports?

Please do tell

Nope. None of the interfaces are fast enough. You would have to do like Nintendo did with the N64 and make the upgradeable parts user-removable - the only reason the Expansion Pak was even possible was because you were literally plugging something into the RAM interface, and their other consoles had high-speed ports set aside specifically for expansion in the future.

 

[Zedox]

I remember when Xbox had this same rumor... And everyone said it signaled that MS was getting out of the console business...

I guess Sony is leaving too?

Exit strategy of course.

 

[Son Of Sparda]

Microsoft is about to do this too, and Nintendo already does it. So what? Are you done with gaming, or are you running to PC (which is massively hypocritical)?

Incremental walled garden will still be better than full on PC for those technology phobic peoples (evils drivers are tricksies I tell you, TRICKSIES!).

Nintendo doesn't do this its home console as far as I know. I just switch to NX for now. If Nintendo messes up as well then I probably go to PC or handhelds or something.

You guys need to understand that $400 is A LOT of money for guys like us who live outside of Europe and NA.

 

[Foffy]

They are going to call it PS4K aren't they?

4K at silky smooth 30fps.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I get the feeling this thread will be like the one where everyone called Kotaku liars or fools when they reported that Versus XIII as we knew it was dead, possibly being rebooted as FFXV, and then two years later it turned out they were totally right even down to the timeframe when it happened.

Two years from now would make the PS4 five years old, which would be around the time of a normal console cycle, so if it were going to happen that would be a good time. But now? It makes no sense. They're about to launch a $400-500 peripheral. No one is going to want to hear anything from them about another console or upgrade any time soon.

 

[cordy]

Personally I'm fine with a console future as is. I'd rather get numerous upgrades rather than having to shell out new console after console after console every 6 years. In this case, I at least get my money's worth while I can and I'll be able to deal the most when it comes to graphics.

 

[florin3k3]

4K upgrade? Sounds like it will be expensive. I'm assuming this is to help VR seeing as it needs extra horse power but dont see how they can achieve 4K resolutions.

 

[GankzyMcfly]

I wonder if people will interpret this as sony leaving the console biz.

 

[FonkyByNature]

I love this idea of upgrades like smartphone do. I welcome this news with a big smile on my face !

Having to wait 6+ years for a new console with better specs is something i always hated. As long as these upgrades are forward and backward compatible, i'm all for it !!!

 

[RavenH2]

How about:

"Works best on ps4ti"

I like that. However I think it would not fly from a marketing standpoint since you are actually telling the consumer it works worse on his filthy regular ps4. Unless you want him to feel dirty and purchase the PS4.5

What was the point of Marketing again?

 

[Curufinwe]

Oh For Sure Man

Either that, or there were no sources and they made up the rumor on their own.

There's absolutely no evidence Sony ever had any plans to use always online DRM, despite the protestations to the contrary from guys like Adam Sessler and Garnett Lee.

 

[Geeun]

As long as it doesn't cost too much to upgrade, I'm on board.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Just don't see it. 4k gaming in a console? Sure as hell wouldn't be some 400$ upgrade lol. He'll I can't even do it( well) on my gaming PC.

 

[Bold One]

Bulldoze Sony HQ, build a Walm Mart there

 

[AmFreak]

True! And just because Sony is briefing developers on this device doesn't mean it's 100% going to happen, or that it's going to happen any time soon. But those in this thread calling it bullshit should really read the whole story (and look at our history of reporting).

I can see them experimenting with the idea. It makes some sense and if only to prepare a counter for a hypothetical succeeding Xbox One.5.
What makes it implausible is the 4k part, cause that would need 4x the gpu power and this would result in a far bigger/more costly APU than the the ps4 one's was - even @ 14nm.

 

[Interfectum]

Two years from now would make the PS4 five years old, which would be around the time of a normal console cycle, so if it were going to happen that would be a good time. But now? It makes no sense. They're about to launch a $400-500 peripheral. No one is going to want to hear anything from them about another console or upgrade any time soon.

I bet we hear about a new PS4 by E3 2017. Xbox probably sooner.

 

[kevin1025]

I guess Naughty Dog will be able to run Uncharted 4 at 60 FPS after all.

You'll need the 4K/60fps $10 upgrade from PSN that patches it in, though.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Microsoft releasing games on Windows 10, Sony experimenting with releasing games on Steam and bringing PSNow to non-Sony devices. Now hardware revisions for both consoles.
The line between console and PC seems to be dissipating.

 

[Neuromancer]

We have a saying in Hosein Abad : It doesn't rain because the black cat says so !!

The whole thing is fake , sony is not going to jeopardize their god astonishing ps4 sales by some half-dim-wit ideas like this .

I'm going to start saying this, thanks.

 

[TylerDurden4321]

In 2017 at 16nm process probably $399

agreed, but an APU..? By AMD...? I doubt that'll be early 2017 then. OR you can get ready to be on a very long waiting list. That process needs to become somewhat standard first or they will have too many bad wafers, that can't be downgraded and sold in lower end GPUs.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

This thread is a bit different to the Microsoft / new hardware thread lol

 

[The God]

Any chance sony comments on this? Would it make sense too

something about not commenting on rumors and speculation

 

[vpance]

I'll be fine with this if it's something like a 2018 release...

I think this whole thing is being seriously considered right now because they know they won't be able to get a big jump in power, like 8-10x, while being affordable until 2021, which is a long 8 years from launch. So why not release an upgrade in the middle of the gen in 2017?

 

[entremet]

Arrogant Sony hath returneth

I don't see arrogance here, only pragmatism.

Why start all over every generation and risk a crapshoot of succeeding? With this new iterative strategy they're creating a forward functioning PS platform, just like iOS or Windows.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Sounds more like a PS5 than a PS4.5 to me. The article also comes off weird because it starts off with a confident declaration followed by a bunch of qualifiers...

 

[Tigress]

Well, if this is the way of the future for consoles... why the fuck even buy consoles? You can get a PC, customize it to be more powerful, and it's not like having a console means you can use it for years or won't have to worry about whether it will play the latest games or if it says PS4 it works on PS4.

What possible reason would you have to even put yourself in a system where you have to pay for MP, you are at the whim of what hardware they decide to give you (and you know they are going to cheap out somewhere and it's not going to be much cheaper than make your own), you still have to worry about if you have the right device, and developers don't even have to try to optomize much anymore cause they can just require you get the newest console. Where in the world is the advantage to a console then?

Also, if this is PS5... I feel the PS4 is only starting to really get into the swing of things (and not just remasters... hell, they're still making remasters for it).

Honestly, I'd be pissed if this news was true.

 

[DukeLongfellow]

Personally I'm all for it. This gen's hardware is pathetic, and I don't want to be stuck with it as long as last gen.

But I thought the point of consoles WAS to last around that time, without needing to upgrade for years and years. If the problem is that consoles become completely obsolete and underpowered months after they hit shelves and if the only way for developers to develop games is for the hardware to improve on a yearly-two yearly basis then traditional consoles are obsolete not only as hardware but as an idea and have no reason to exist.

In fact, the Steam Machine scenario could very well be the in the cards. Honestly, my PC is connected directly to my HDTV and I game from the couch already, either controller or key/mouse. I have a PS4 but I literally don't feel the difference whatsoever, aside from exclusives. I essentially have a console type gaming experience with just my PC and I'm thinking this is where we're going.

 

[TimeEffect]

Would it be possible (and more desirable) to also make 60 FPS for games like Driveclub and Uncharted? I feel like I would upgrade in that case

 

[orochi91]

Haha, I can feel your anger and disappointment from here

Absolutely.

Now I'll have to be concerned with upgrade my PC and console(s) if this news turns out to be true.

Not exactly an ideal situation.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Maybe instead of getting defensive, you could acknowledge that the article adds a significant amount of padding to some bare-bones rumors.

The opening statement is:



But then you go on to say:

So, a big part of this is that you make an extremely strong supposition. After all, 'PS4.5' implies that the hardware will be iterative but won't actually be a generational leap. It carries with it all sorts of implications, and since you already admitted you're not sure if it's an official name, a nickname, or maybe just an internal nickname given by Sony, the whole thing kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

And then your story ends with this:


"Exploring the possibility" is a little bit of a backpedal compared to your bold title of "Sony is working on Playstation 4.5" and your bold opening statement, isn't it?

Perhaps this is why some people are leery.

But no. No, the only people calling bullshit are those who didn't click your article...

You know, you do have a valid point.

Reading comprehension game is solid.

 

[Griss]

My problem is that it would feel like a kick in the nuts to early adopters, as selfish as it is. That we could have held out for a superior experience.

Then again it's not like I'm buying a 4k TV in the next 5 years, and we have no idea what degree of benefit psvr would see. What will be will be.

But here's the point:
If you waited for the PS4K instead, you'd just be setting yourself up for a kick in the nuts 3 years later when the PS5 arrives. And if you wait for that, you'll be set up for a kick in the nuts when the 5.5 arrives 2-3 years later.

And so on and so on. This is the reality of modern tech. The only good time to jump in is 'When I want to and can afford it'.

The same thing happens in camera threads. People who never buy because the next best thing is just around the corner. It's stupid.

 

[Duxxy3]

At this point I'd just say kill this generation and move on. Both systems are just very weak. Can't reliably do 1080p 60fps, nevermind 4k at any frame rate.

Aside from the slight bump in power, there's not much to differentiate them from last gen. Well that's not true. A lack of games has been differentiated this generation from earlier generations. The best games that I've played this generation have been ports of last generation games.

 

[Barry Burton]

Yep been telling people to get ready for this. We are transitioning out of a traditional console cycle from all appearances all around. MS, Sony, and Nintendo all appear to be doing it

Agreed. Consoles aren't dead but it seems clear that the old, tried & true model is going to evolve over these next few years.

 

[Glorified G]

No, Patrick broke the Xbox 180 story here http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-to-pull-complete-reversal-on-xbox-one-dr/1100-4673/

That is the reversal of the DRM. When you posted "fiasco" the impression is that you're talking about MS originally going the DRM route for the Xbox One. I believe that was initally revealed by EDGE.

 

[Sesha]

The way things are going this probably will be the last console generation as we know it. Everything will probably be service-based with perpetually incremental hardware 5-10 years from now. I wonder if Activision, EA or WB will make their own SteamBox-like consoles as well.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

Arrogant Sony hath returneth

An unconfirmed rumor about Sony following in the footsteps of what Nintendo has already done and what Microsoft has publicly stated they'd like to do is now "arrogant"?

Some of you need to take a step back and realize how obvious of an agenda you're preaching.

 

[djblackice]

Oh but you see it too huh? Don't you see that this is the exit strategy for Sony from the console business? There's no way devs would be able to handle another target platform. It's just too much work and publishers won't be on board. This is dead in the water. LOLOLOLOL.

Oh man, between this and someone showing me your Twitter timeline, I'm guessing this just really made your inner fanboy super happy.

Unreal.

 

[fernoca]

I'd say that more than anything it will be a PS4 with whatever is inside the "VR box" integrated on it.

So developers can work and release game with the extra "oomph". New owners can buy this and everyone else can get one of this VR bundles.

 

[CamHostage]

In layman’s terms, 4K resolution is around twice the pixel size of 1080p, which is the current standard for games on PlayStation 4 and competing consoles.

Uh. Isn't 4K called 4K because it has 4 times the amount of pixels as 1080p, not twice.

No. 1920 x 2.

Lol, that isn't how it works. 3840 X 2160 has 4X the amount of pixels as 1920 X 1080

Howsabout we stop nitpicking about this one single point? 4K is double the resolution vertically and horizontally. Two squared. 4X. Same difference.

Calling bullshit on the content or even wasting time bickering over the writer's definition of "twice" gets us nowhere. Remove it from the OP quote, or remove it from the conversation, or just remove it from your minds and move along.