you know i was clearly talking in terms of AAA titles as i mentioned later in the post. Obviously the PS4 is it is could render simple games in 4k...
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Digital Foundry: PS4K / Neo spec leak is genuine, dev kits on their way to devs
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you know i was clearly talking in terms of AAA titles as i mentioned later in the post. Obviously the PS4 is it is could render simple games in 4k...
I think it's a CPU-related issue, since PS4X1 have it on DS3 but not PCs.
killatopak
Gold Member
too late.
By the time they release their own .5 machine it would already be the PS2 situation again where time of release was more important than specs.
This is assuming of course that MS is caught with their pants down. If they had the same intention as Sony and planned this long ago then they could at least go toe to toe. It will be pretty hard though as price point and the ESRAM does not make it easy for them.
My post is neither tongue-in-cheek nor a meltdown just merely stating Sony's hardware has been of a lesser quality this gen and early reports of the Neo seem to suggest a couple of baffing omissions which could actually improve the system quite a bit and imo really should've been included in the first iteration of the Ps4 (4K Blu-Ray drive and AC wifi).
My advice would be not to get too hung up on other people's opinions/comments.
Flow-Walker
Banned
Is everyone that thinks there will be a UHD Blu-Ray drive in the system aware that the only standalone UHD BD player currently on the market (they came out LAST MONTH) is $399 by itself?
herminihildo
Member
I really don't mind at all. Sony just wants PS4 Neo to be the first console to use 4k resolution just like what what the PS3 did with bluray. I mean it's definitely to support also their TVs since they've been pushing 4k TV for quite sometime. Why not use your most profitable products (Playstation) to support less profitable ones, right?
Unless NX suddenly decides to turn 4k and no XB1.5, Sony has nothing to worry about with having an undivided audience with Neo.
Besides devs would probably optimize it on the base PS4 since there's already around 40M install base by the time Neo will be released.
I'll probably just wait for the official announcement and actual performance analysis before making my final verdict.
Unless NX suddenly decides to turn 4k and no XB1.5, Sony has nothing to worry about with having an undivided audience with Neo.
Besides devs would probably optimize it on the base PS4 since there's already around 40M install base by the time Neo will be released.
I'll probably just wait for the official announcement and actual performance analysis before making my final verdict.
Because it needs the hardware outside the drive in order to properly deliver the content. The PS4K will have hardware that is far more significant, it just needs the updated drive and HDMI spec. Right now it seems like it would be solely for UHD Blu-ray playback since devkits are not coming with drives to support the 100GB Blu-ray standard.
Most games that had it on console were patched, no reason why DS3 can't be patched.
Flow-Walker
Banned
That makes no sense. If it doesn't support the 100GB discs, then it won't be doing any UHD Blu-Ray playback as those discs are the new higher-capacity ones.
It's not in the devkits because devs don't need them since everything has to ship on a 50gb disc. This is just the first round of early kits.
Flow-Walker
Banned
But if they were changing the drive it would probably be in the documentation. "BTW, we're supporting UHD Blu-Ray discs, so you have a ceiling of 100GB now."
All games have to run on PS4, no Neo exclusives. They can't use 100gb discs and those drives are expensive. No point in having it in the first round of devkits.
But that's the thing. They're not going to be supporting UHD Bluray discs for games. PS4neo will be running regular bluray discs that baseps4 supports. There won't be a "PS4neo" section in the store. It'll just be PS4 as it always has been.
No because the games have to work on the PS4. Adding that would break that compatibility.
You can't allow devs to put out 100GB discs unless Sony is planning to have 2 SKUs (PS4 and PS4K) for all games. The game disc needs to run on regular PS4s too.
Yeah, seriously, if a UHD drive isn't in the system. I'll hold off. But I really doubt it won't be there.
Sure, but why? Televisions and all that stuff have been a disaster for Sony. They should be making the PlayStation their number one priority, and this is a risky move for a business with not much left to gain and a lot to lose.
Me too. I also hope there's proper HDR support for games. Those are the two things that are up in the air but I think both are incredibly likely.
People wanting a 399 blu ray drive in this thing, do you want to be priced out of oblivion? Sony is not going to take a loss on this thing, a stop gap console upgrade is not going to get the PS3 treatment, especially these days
I expect them to wait till PS5 to introduce such things, and that's if at that point we still are using discs for games
I expect them to wait till PS5 to introduce such things, and that's if at that point we still are using discs for games
It being a CPU issue makes no sense as other games with frame pacing issues on consoles have had the issues patched out like Destiny and Need for speed rivals. If it were caused by having Jaguar CPU's, frame pacing patches would be an impossibility.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
I was waiting for a ps4slim this generation anyways, so this comes as a welcome surprise. I'm all in for neo.
This is specific to BB/DS3 engine's case and it does seem to disappear with you got a strong enough PC CPU. BB's issue was never patched as well.
This upclocked Jaguar will be a serious bottleneck methinks.
So people buy the game with their new PS4K? If it's a relatively simple patch it's kind of a no brainer.
4K blue rays are out now. Sony can't move fast enough to widely deploy a platform that will spark demand for their TVs and, more profitably, for UHD discs which they'll reap royalties on. They aren't going to have a problem both supporting UHD and turning a profit. Imagine if another console was first with a drive that support Sony's discs. Lawd
draughn101
Member
Didn't the PS3 have Blu-ray when Blu-ray players were outrageous expensive. It's possible with most of the hardware already going into it. It won't cost an additional 400.
I thought DF said frame pacing was an issue on PCs as well but is felt less so because it was running at 60fps.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
Ya and all the jokes about Xbone being beta tested 😊
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
Exactly, alpha kits tend to barely have anything that resembles the final hardware, it's very possible UHD drives will come in the beta kits or later.
We don't even know if the PS4k specs are locked down, the GiantBomb podcast mention supply issues, if those push the PS4k into Q1 2017, we might get additional changes up or down.
herminihildo
Member
It does help Playstation. Sure it does help sell their TVs but there are other brands out there and there no consoles and a few expensive UHBD players out there. My guess is that they'll do a similar strategy with PS3 with Neo.
herminihildo
Member
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And that engine deficiency has nothing to do with PS4, it has to do with unlocking the framerate
They took an over 200$ loss on that unit in 2006, they are not doing that now.
The digital foundry video states there are still frame pacing issues on the pc though, which indicates that with other games receiving frame pacing patches that it's a soft ware issue not a binary result of "weak cpu ".
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
At the time bulk pricing for BD-ROM drives was almost as expensive as the MSRP for standalone UHD 4K players is right now.
By this logic the definitive version of every game is a PC port that will require Dual Titan X s to get the 4K 60 FPS treatment.
I'm not for, or against the PS4K. What I am against, is blatant misinformation, and people claiming to make decisions on things when they either don't understand something, or are outright passing off false information. That's not something I'm okay with. And your post I originally responded to was full of either lies, or misunderstandings. Either way, you were simply wrong about almost everything in your post.
That's not a matter of opinion. I was trying to correct you by pointing you to the information in the original posts regarding the released material. This isn't a matter of 'winning'. I'm not even arguing with you. I'm trying to correct the mistakes you made in your awareness.
If you don't want to accept that you misunderstood something, that's just bizarre, but whatever. If you're outright spreading falsehoods, well, stop, because you'll get banned for continuing to post flagrant lies. Just trying to help you out.
Samurai G0SU
Member
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
No, I'm saying that adding UHD Blu support would be much cheaper than adding Blu-ray support was at PS3 launch.
Samurai G0SU
Member
The only argument I see, Is that you have people who generally don't upgrade their electronic equipment, upgrading their dvd machines with the latest version dvd player. One that means less people will make dvds in your format, The good dvds, the variety. The latest AAA titles.
I don't think the pc suffers from any deal breakers for games. Basic specs are pretty global. And you can generally play at shit settings. Or your video card is out of date. That would be the same equation.But, You kind of just bought the video card too. Expecting it to last as the long one did with the amount of content.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
are the $400 UHD BD players just a bare drive? or are they PLAYERS that you have on your entertainment center under your TV?
all the PS4K would need is the updated bare drive that can read the new discs. the APU and hardware decoders would handle everything else, and push it out through the 4K spec HDMI output.
man, this is giving me crazy flashbacks to back in the day when PS3 hadn't launched yet. the shirtstorm that was BD drive laser discussion...
all the PS4K would need is the updated bare drive that can read the new discs. the APU and hardware decoders would handle everything else, and push it out through the 4K spec HDMI output.
man, this is giving me crazy flashbacks to back in the day when PS3 hadn't launched yet. the shirtstorm that was BD drive laser discussion...
rokkerkory
Member
So if there's a performance parity that will have PS4k players have upper hand / advantage for games like FPS, who will we blame?
Then that makes it an ENGINE related issue that they should try and fix.
Kaz Hirai and Sony - the devil manifest who have come to bring armageddon upon the video games business.
AMD? j/k
draughn101
Member
People have already forgotten!! Lordy bee let me hop on my high horse and glare at you fools.
What I'm saying is that there's not a large hardware gap preventing it, and Sony has gone that route before. There's a good debate happening on this forum now about whether or not the current PS4 could be updated to provide it as well. I'm assuming you're putting your rep on the line and saying no Sony console will support it?