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Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles

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Eolz

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agree, but maybe excluding specs

Yeah, depends up to which point we are talking.
It's just that last posts are just "no you" or "ahah doomed!" without any thoughts behind. Even with the limited information we got out of this, it's disappointing to say the least compared to the handheld thread, especially since it was back on track after the OsirisBlack post.
 

XenodudeX

Junior Member
Didn't a dude in here just say that the NX console should be able to get PS4 and XB1 ports no problem, and that the only thing that would prevent getting them is lack of sales? So if that were true isn't the notion that NX is potentially weaker than the XBOXone kind of dumb?
 
Didn't a dude in here just say that the NX console should be able to get PS4 and XB1 ports no problem, and that the only thing that would prevent getting them is lack of sales? So if that were true isn't the notion that NX is potentially weaker than the XBOXone kind of dumb?



Why would it be ? It could be twice slower than Xbox One and still be able to receive ports. If it's the same featureset and not too far away in term of specs. Let's say it's 700gflops. If a game runs at 1080p on XB1, it could be 720p on NX.
 
You don't even know the information she was given, so how can you even say that? The fact of the matter is, if Emily is saying that from what she's heard, that NX is closer to Xbox One than PS4, but "Even that is stretching it", then that clearly means that it could be even less powerful than Xbox One. There is no confirmation bias here. Just honest to god reading comprehension.



Editing this out because I've realised I don't need to prove anything to you.


She said raw power only. That could mean anything depending on what combination of CPU / gpu / ram they are using. It's not obvious at all from her posts what the real world performance might be .
 

Rodin

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They're not my thing either, which is why I reacted in the way I did. Unless someone comes out with something ridiculous, then I think every opinion is valid. When people are accusing others of this or that, that's when the conversation turns to shit.
Well i'm sorry i triggered that reaction with my post.

But yes, I think it's obvious what kind of range we're looking at, which is as much as we can realistically go on right now.
Yup, pretty much.

Didn't a dude in here just say that the NX console should be able to get PS4 and XB1 ports no problem, and that the only thing that would prevent getting them is lack of sales? So if that were true isn't the notion that NX is potentially weaker than the XBOXone kind of dumb?
It may seem a bit weaker on paper, but not to the point that it matters for ports. If it's like 1Tflop GCN 1.2 with comparable CPU and RAM configuration, that's more efficient than what the One has, which narrows the difference even more (it wouldn't be that big in the first place, the X1 is 1.2-1.3tflops). That's without considering that engines are highly scalable, so unless Nintendo went full underpowered (e.g. 4 ARM cores, 500Gflops, 6GB of RAM) to the point that third parties wouldn't bother downgrading their games to make them run on the NX, specs won't be a problem even if they don't fully match the MS console.

The problem is that if the NX doesn't sell well and if Nintendo doesn't make something to attract at least part of the FIFA/COD/AC/WD/etc audience, to build a bigger userbase for that kind of games, they still won't get third party titles because publishers won't see an opportunity there, and this would happen even with a stronger console than PS4.
 

capslock

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XBone levels performance at best. That's what I've been saying since the start. I don't know why Nintendo fans choose to ignore the 15 years of history and evidence.
 
They were never likely to release anything that's too far from the ballpark of the current gen anyway, be that over or under powered. The Neo comparisons started this ball rolling though, and it got more absurd from there.

The user base, or perhaps the perception of it, will be the biggest barrier to ports and continued third party support. I'd rather we heard rumours of what Nintendo was doing on that front than whether it's slightly less or slightly more powerful than the XB1 / PS4.
 

Peterc

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Why would it be ? It could be twice slower than Xbox One and still be able to receive ports. If it's the same featureset and not too far away in term of specs. Let's say it's 700gflops. If a game runs at 1080p on XB1, it could be 720p on NX.


Thats not realistic, most port couldn't happen if that was the case. Even why are 3rd party happy about the nx? Don't think downgrading games for nx would make them happy
 

Peterc

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XBone levels performance at best. That's what I've been saying since the start. I don't know why Nintendo fans choose to ignore the 15 years of history and evidence.

15y back ?

Gamecube Retail availability 2001–2007

So it isn't even 10y back.

Wii was the only one started with underpowerd gfx. It was successful, they tried to repeat it with wiiu but it failed. So they are trying forget the casual market and leave it to smartphone/tablets. You can see that what they have done with the wiiu, focus again on core gamers (as far it was possible with the wiiu capability).


They don't gonna get core gamers back if they come with an underpowerd console.
 
Thats not realistic, most port could happen if that was the case. Even why are 3rd party happy about the nx? Don't think downgrading games for nx would make them happy


They already do that for PS4 and One. It's easier on such power range. Power isnt the problem. Power isnt the reason why Wii U didnt get PS360 ports. Even if NX was 2 times faster than PS4 it wont get western 3rd parties because they are established elsewhere. Their audience are established and they dont wait for Nintendo platforms to be there. And there's no gain for Nintendo to court these publishers. High cost and low return since the people who want these games already have consoles to do so.
 
As much as I hated their news about no NX during E3, I was already fine with it. Still hoping for a powerful enough console, but this kind of news really ruins any of the excitement I had left. Sure, nothing is confirmed but sadly this is not just some nobody saying it. So we know she leaked Mario Paper, what else did she gave us?

I mean, if this is true, why would the third parties bother with Nintendo?
 

Peterc

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As much as I hated their news about no NX during E3, I was already fine with it. Still hoping for a powerful enough console, but this kind of news really ruins any of the excitement I had left. Sure, nothing is confirmed but sadly this is not just some nobody saying it. So we know she leaked Mario Paper, what else did she gave us?

I mean, if this is true, why would the third parties bother with Nintendo?

my answer before about paper mario:

10 may 2015
https://mynintendonews.com/2015/05/...-wii-u-in-development-by-intelligent-systems/


But yes, Emily comes again with the same rumor on 22 Jan 2016

So, I also forcast Retro will bring a new NX game.

So we can't count on paper mario as a fact, nobody can say what she leaked before, but are assuming she is the real deal
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
They don't gonna get core gamers back if they come with an underpowerd console.
It's not like Nintendo's gonna get them back anytime soon either way. It's just too late in the generation for Nintendo to make any meaningful impact on the marketshare that Sony & Microsoft have. As for the NX Console being underpowered, note what Emily & Trev said about apples & oranges. Seeing as, according to Emily, the NX Platform doesn't use x86 (likely using ARM, probably to line up with the NX Handheld), direct comparisons with the x86 Twins aren't easy. And as long as the real-world performance is within the PS4/XB1 ballpark, ports shouldn't be a problem. One of our own (who's Bish-approved) pretty much confirmed that to be the case. And even with the PS4K/PS4 Neo on the way, devs are still required to support the base PS4. The only thing that will hold Nintendo back in terms of getting western third party support is their audience, & there's no easy fix for that.
 

Peterc

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It's not like Nintendo's gonna get them back anytime soon either way. It's just too late in the generation for Nintendo to make any meaningful impact on the marketshare that Sony & Microsoft have. As for the NX Console being underpowered, note what Emily & Trev said about apples & oranges. Seeing as, according to Emily, the NX Platform doesn't use x86 (likely using ARM, probably to line up with the NX Handheld), direct comparisons with the x86 Twins aren't easy. And as long as the real-world performance is within the PS4/XB1 ballpark, ports shouldn't be a problem. One of our own (who's Bish-approved) pretty much confirmed that to be the case. And even with the PS4K/PS4 Neo on the way, devs are still required to support the base PS4. The only thing that will hold Nintendo back in terms of getting western third party support is their audience, & there's no easy fix for that.

Everything could happen if they can get good marketing for the system.
Beside that they need to have 3rd party support, I think they know that they wouldn't release a system if they can't get 3rd party support.

looking at the flow that leaded: snes -> ps1 -> ps2 -> wii -> xbox360 -> ps4

Everything can be turnout otherwise in 1year. But I admid it would be diffecult.
 
It should be noted that whatever powerlevel the NX is on at this current time is subject to change. Even with the Wii U, the performance of the inital dev kit from the final dev kit went from 400MHz GPU/1GHz CPU to a 550MHZ GPU/1.24 CPU, nearly a 25%/ 40% difference. Considering that there is less than a 2x difference between the XB1 and the PS4 in raw performance, the NX could still wind up above the current gen at the end even if you are clocking the system below the XB1 due to Emily's statement.

NateDrake commented about this earlier in the thread:

Most rumors regarding a console power is usually wrong. The only thing I would take from this rumor is the architecture information.

That can be one factor. The other depends on the kits the "sources" have at the time as they could be an older version lacking updates and such. I don't place much stock in rumors for power levels.


GCN was weaker than every system during the gen because Nintendo gave real world performance figures. In "raw power" the Xbox was said to handle 100 million polygons per second, and the PS2 was around 60 million. Nintendo figures for GCN was something like 6-12 million polygons a second. GCN was much stronger than a PS2 in the end.

So, whatever way you interpret Emily's statement, don't get so focused on where the NX is currently at during its pre-final kit.


You don't even know the information she was given, so how can you even say that? The fact of the matter is, if Emily is saying that from what she's heard, that NX is closer to Xbox One than PS4, but "Even that is stretching it", then that clearly means that it could be even less powerful than Xbox One. There is no confirmation bias here. Just honest to god reading comprehension.



Editing this out because I've realised I don't need to prove anything to you.

Emily said that she had numerous sources, right? Even if she had several different answers, I have doubts that it couldn't been phrased in another way to avoid some of the arguments that we are seeing now. Since Emily hasn't comment on the matter AFAIK, I believe that was intentional.
 
As much as I hated their news about no NX during E3, I was already fine with it. Still hoping for a powerful enough console, but this kind of news really ruins any of the excitement I had left. Sure, nothing is confirmed but sadly this is not just some nobody saying it. So we know she leaked Mario Paper, what else did she gave us?

I mean, if this is true, why would the third parties bother with Nintendo?

It's another piece of hardware publishers can release software for and in theory grow sales for their releases. If rumors are true it can run multiplat ports fine. In your mind what kind of hardware would make publishes flock to nx? Is that leap in power really what is holding back companies like EA? I...have my doubts.
 

Neoxon

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Everything could happen if they can get good marketing for the system.
Beside that they need to have 3rd party support, I think they know that they wouldn't release a system if they can't get 3rd party support.

looking at the flow that leaded: snes -> ps1 -> ps2 -> wii -> xbox360 -> ps4

Everything can be turnout otherwise in 1year. But I admid it would be diffecult.
Nintendo will definitely have Japanese & indie support at launch or within the platform's launch window. The problem here are the western publishers. And as of now, they have no reason to support Nintendo since the audience that western publishers typically go after aren't on Nintendo platforms. And even with marketing, we're still within the height of the PS4 & XB1's popularity (more so the former), as stated earlier. Had this been the beginning of a new generation, maybe Nintendo would have a chance at a massive comeback. But this late, especially with Sony tightening its grip on the market via the PS4K, Nintendo's pretty much guaranteed 3rd Place. The best thing they can do now is minimize software droughts for their own output as much as possible (hence Iwata wanting to make the console & handheld "like brothers") & diversify their line-up enough to cultivate the audience that western publishers want so that they may eventually give Nintendo a fair shake. Obviously it won't work within a short-period of time, nor should we expect it to. But given the hole Nintendo's in, it'll take a long time for them to get out. It's the long road, but it's the road worth taking.
 
Nintendo's hope of success with the NX is to get sellouts just like they did with Wii.

Third parties will come when you sell out your console for a whole year.


If I can find an NX the month of march/april after release day then the probability of NX being a huge success will almost be nil.


Hopefully Nintendo does bring a massive number of new first party games for launch.
 

Mithos

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(1) It's not like Nintendo's gonna get them back anytime soon either way. It's just too late in the generation for Nintendo to make any meaningful impact on the marketshare that Sony & Microsoft have.
(2) The only thing that will hold Nintendo back in terms of getting western third party support is their audience, & there's no easy fix for that.

1. I still hope they try, try and try again and do not have the kind of mentality you seem to display in this regard.
2. There IS an easy fix, third party games on the platform, and keep them coming until the audience is convinced enough that they will not be abandoned AGAIN, whats difficult is agreeing between parties who should be responsible for implementing this fix.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
Look, how about if we all just agree that it's in the ballpark of Xbone, give or take, and she's hesitant to say whether it's weaker or more powerful due to the CPU being different? We didn't get a definitive statement because she doesn't have one and she doesn't understand the technical aspects enough to get one, or she's getting conflicting information and we have a situation where some of the less talented developers are getting worse performance due to not porting the games to ARM properly, or perhaps even due to other issues like lower memory bandwidth? It's safest to just say that it's roughly on-par with Xbone and leave it at that instead of being overly positive or negative. It's definitely not significantly weaker in any case.
 

Peterc

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Nintendo will definitely have Japanese & indie support at launch or within the platform's launch window. The problem here are the western publishers. And as of now, they have no reason to support Nintendo since the audience that western publishers typically go after aren't on Nintendo platforms. And even with marketing, we're still within the height of the PS4 & XB1's popularity (more so the former), as stated earlier. Had this been the beginning of a new generation, maybe Nintendo would have a chance at a massive comeback. But this late, especially with Sony tightening its grip on the market via the PS4K, Nintendo's pretty much guaranteed 3rd Place. The best thing they can do now is minimize software droughts for their own output as much as possible (hence Iwata wanting to make the console & handheld "like brothers") & diversify their line-up enough to cultivate the audience that western publishers want so that they may eventually give Nintendo a fair shake. Obviously it won't work within a short-period of time, nor should we expect it to. But given the hole Nintendo's in, it'll take a long time for them to get out. It's the long road, but it's the road worth taking.

I agree with you, thats why it would be really diffecult for them.

The only way that they can get back in the race in midgen, is if they bring something unique that people really wants. If i'm right, the sales from ps4 aren't bad, but year by year the sales are getting worst. Traditional gaming seems to get a bit boring for allot of people. It's doesn't make the same impression as what it did 10y back. Thats why wii/kinect/move/vr is/was a good thing.


I believe that if you bring something innovative but doesn't force you, it could lead again.
But It's really hard to bring something people wants
 

georly

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Nintendo's hope of success with the NX is to get sellouts just like they did with Wii.

Third parties will come when you sell out your console for a whole year.


If I can find an NX the month of march/april after release day then the probability of NX being a huge success will almost be nil.


Hopefully Nintendo does bring a massive number of new first party games for launch.

You saying this is a nintendo only thing? The only way for last place to gain third party? Because I could easily find a ps4 and an xb1 in april of 2014. Third party support them no problem.
 

Hermii

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Im reading it as being similar in power to xbox one. Maybe slightly less, but since its a different setup you can't make apple to apple comparisons. Its maybe above in some areas and below in others.

If true I think its disappointing it can't even beat xbox one in every area, first party will utilise the hardware well and be amazing but I hope this won't affect ports too much.
 

Anarky

Banned
Look, how about if we all just agree that it's in the ballpark of Xbone, give or take, and she's hesitant to say whether it's weaker or more powerful due to the CPU being different? We didn't get a definitive statement because she doesn't have one and she doesn't understand the technical aspects enough to get one, or she's getting conflicting information and we have a situation where some of the less talented developers are getting worse performance due to not porting the games to ARM properly, or perhaps even due to other issues like lower memory bandwidth? It's safest to just say that it's roughly on-par with Xbone and leave it at that instead of being overly positive or negative. It's definitely not significantly weaker in any case.

I think this would be for the best. This discussion has started to go downhill a bit.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
I still hope they try, try and try again and do not have the kind of mentality you seem to display in this regard.
But there's no point in trying, at least not now. Given that Nintendo's launching in the middle of the generation, they need to start the foundation for a long-term fix in terms of gaining core gamers & winning back the trust of western publishers. So when the next wave of NX hardware drops, more western publishers will be there at launch rather than sitting on the fence.

There IS an easy fix, third party games on the platform, and keep them coming until the audience is convinced enough that they will not be abandoned AGAIN, whats difficult is agreeing between parties who should be responsible for implementing this fix.
But that's just it, those western publishers won't support Nintendo unless they know that there's an audience for their games on the platform. And even if they support Nintendo early on, they'll bail out the second they find out that the Nintendo audience doesn't give a shit. It's on Nintendo to build up a AAA core gaming audience on their own to where said western publishers will give a shit & actually find some success on the NX Platform. Until that happens, it'll mostly be Japanese publishers & indie devs on the NX Platform.
 

Erimriv

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So nintendo is gonna put all that tones of android games on the Nx? Add to that 1st party games and some western AAA? IM all for it, price the devices accordingly (299$, 149$) and it'll be a hit.
 

Mithos

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But that's just it, those western publishers won't support Nintendo unless they know that there's an audience for their games on the platform. And even if they support Nintendo early on, they'll bail out the second they find out that the Nintendo audience doesn't give a shit. It's on Nintendo to build up a AAA core gaming audience on their own to where said western publishers will give a shit & actually find some success on the NX Platform. Until that happens, it'll mostly be Japanese publishers & indie devs on the NX Platform.

That audience will not be there UNTIL they do support Nintendos platform, tada!
Yes, and when they drop support after 1-2 game, the audience gets prof they did the right thing not buying in to their games.

And when Nintendo makes their own "western third party" games, they will buy just those NINTENDOS because they were there, and when buy our games too western thirdparty comes late to the party no one will buy their games anyways because Nintendo got that covered and will not bail after 1-2 games.
 

Neoxon

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That audience will not be there UNTIL they do support Nintendos platform, tada!
Yes, and when they drop support after 1-2 game, the audience gets prof they did the right thing not buying in to their games.

And when Nintendo makes their own "western third party" games, they will buy just those NINTENDOS because they were there, and when buy our games too western thirdparty comes late to the party no one will buy their games anyways because Nintendo got that covered and will not bail after 1-2 games.
It's a chicken-or-the-egg situation, & the responsibility is purely on Nintendo to fix the issue. Said western publishers have no reason to believe that the Nintendo audience will give a shit, so it's on Nintendo to prove it.
 

Eolz

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That audience will not be there UNTIL they do support Nintendos platform, tada!
Yes, and when they drop support after 1-2 game, the audience gets prof they did the right thing not buying in to their games.

And when Nintendo makes their own "western third party" games, they will buy just those NINTENDOS because they were there, and when buy our games too western thirdparty comes late to the party no one will buy their games anyways because Nintendo got that covered and will not bail after 1-2 games.

It's a chicken-or-the-egg situation, & the responsibility is purely on Nintendo to fix the issue. Said western publishers have no reason to believe that the Nintendo audience will give a shit, so it's on Nintendo to prove it.

Both points are right, just up to a certain point.
There's a reason most publishers are there with 1-2 games (or more) at launch, whatever happens. But they're not doing enough effort either.
There's a reason 3rd parties aren't happy with nintendo when they don't promote those games either, nor help much to sell them. They must do as much effort as they do for indie games for example.

Having worked with one of those 3rd parties, it's not "an easy fix" as some like to think, but it's also way simpler to fix than some want to believe as well...
 

Mithos

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It's a chicken-or-the-egg situation, & the responsibility is purely on Nintendo to fix the issue. Said western publishers have no reason to believe that the Nintendo audience will give a shit, so it's on Nintendo to prove it.

So lets assume Nintendo secures Bayonetta 3, 4 and 5 exclusively TOTALLY.

Tell me WHY o WHY I should buy that Devil May Cry game that Capcom decide to place on whatever the Nintendo console is named, beside Bayonetta 5?

Same shit for anything Nintendo brings to the table for any genre.
 
my answer before about paper mario:



So we can't count on paper mario as a fact, nobody can say what she leaked before, but are assuming she is the real deal


Hmmm that's interesting. In that case I wouldn't put too much stock in this, but at the same time not declare it BS right away. I wonder why she would be lying about this, in what way would it benefit her?
 

Neoxon

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So lets assume Nintendo secures Bayonetta 3, 4 and 5 exclusively TOTALLY.

Tell me WHY o WHY I should buy that Devil May Cry game that Capcom decide to place on whatever the Nintendo console is named, beside Bayonetta 5?

Same shit for anything Nintendo brings to the table for any genre.
Because the mainline Devil May Cry franchise is a great action game series & is totally worth your time. If the game is good & if the audience is there, people will care. But the key words are "if the audience is there".
 
Nintendo's hope of success with the NX is to get sellouts just like they did with Wii.

Third parties will come when you sell out your console for a whole year.


If I can find an NX the month of march/april after release day then the probability of NX being a huge success will almost be nil.


Hopefully Nintendo does bring a massive number of new first party games for launch.

Nintendo read this post and manufactures 100 NX for the first year and BOOM
Come on.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Both points are right, just up to a certain point.
There's a reason most publishers are there with 1-2 games (or more) at launch, whatever happens. But they're not doing enough effort either.
There's a reason 3rd parties aren't happy with nintendo when they don't promote those games either, nor help much to sell them. They must do as much effort as they do for indie games for example.

Having worked with one of those 3rd parties, it's not "an easy fix" as some like to think, but it's also way simpler to fix than some want to believe as well...
So even if Nintendo puts more advertising dollars for said third party games, it's not like those western publishers will instantly be encouraged to put more effort into their ports. They need a reason to believe that the audience will be there before they try as hard as they do for the other two.
 

Mithos

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Because the mainline Devil May Cry franchise is a great action game series & is totally worth your time. If the game is good & if the audience is there, people will care. But the key words are "if the audience is there".

They are to late should have been there alongside Bayonetta 3, and 4 and then 5, sorry Capcom.

So even if Nintendo puts more advertising dollars for said third party games, it's not like those western publishers will instantly be encouraged to put more effort into their ports. They need a reason to believe that the audience will be there before they try as hard as they do for the other two.

I wonder why they keep failing.. humm, no I don't.
 

KingBroly

Banned
So even if Nintendo puts more advertising dollars for said third party games, it's not like those western publishers will instantly be encouraged to put more effort into their ports. They need a reason to believe that the audience will be there before they try as hard as they do for the other two.

They need an IP that calls out to western audiences alongside them. Unfortunately, I don't think Nintendo understands that there is a western audience.
 
I interpret that as less powerful than the X1. I've been predicting around 500GF since the early rumors of the NX. I see them essentially offering a mobile SOC for the handheld and the same in the console, but with higher clock speeds.
 

Peterc

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What if Nintendo could support android games on nx and BC. Wouldn't they have a Hugh library at the launch of the console?

If Nintendo would close a deal with google, it could mean you have a hugh market already in your pocket.


It would also solve this kind of solutions:
nvidia-shield-e3-2013,V-3-388623-13.jpg


http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/15ac8281239e721c266888dc251f8310/201698649/ninfeat.jpg
 

Mithos

Member
Because western publishers have no reason to support Nintendo & their audience. Nintendo has to give them a reason why & break the cycle of no western third parties-no audience.

Third party needs to give the audience a reason to buy their games on Nintendo platforms so far they are failing bigtime.
 
Because western publishers have no reason to support Nintendo & their audience. Nintendo has to give them a reason why & break the cycle of no western third parties-no audience.


He was only talking about the CPU, & an ARM CPU can surpass the ones in the PS4 & XB1.

I'm well aware. Reading the past couple pages, however...
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Third party needs to give the audience a reason to buy their games on Nintendo platforms so far they are failing bigtime.
And why should they do that if, for the last few years, they've been given no reason to do so? Again, Nintendo is the only one who can break the cycle.

What was he saying again?
He said that the CPU for the NX (Console) surpasses the ones found in the PS4 & the Xbox One.
 

CrazyHorse

Junior Member
What if Nintendo could support android games on nx and BC. Wouldn't they have a Hugh library at the launch of the console?

If Nintendo would close a deal with google, it could mean you have a hugh market already in your pocket.


It would also solve this kind of solutions:
nvidia-shield-e3-2013,V-3-388623-13.jpg

Nintendo should do a deal with Valve for Steam. It would solve the 3rd party problem.

A Nintendo system with a Steam library => day one purchase.
 

Peterc

Member
And why should they do that if, for the last few years, they've been given no reason to do so? Again, Nintendo is the only one who can break the cycle.


He said that the CPU for the NX (Console) surpasses the ones found in the PS4 & the Xbox One.

Wasn't he proofed to be right in many other specs leaks from him in the past?
 
Nintendo should do a deal with Valve for Steam. It would solve the 3rd party problem.

A Nintendo system with a Steam library => day one purchase.

Yeah let's make our own platform so that we can give away our royalty fees to someone else. And you wonder why those EA falling out rumors persisted
 
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