plumpblumpkin
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So I guess I shouldn't sell my 980 ti?
Hey guys, just so you know I'm calling it now, 1080Ti will yield better perf than these two cards, you quote me on that!
Well I'll be going from a GTX 460 to the GTX 1070, do you guys think I'll see much difference?
So this is how much faster than my Radeon 6800? Gonna build me a PC.
So I guess I shouldn't sell my 980 ti?
So I guess I shouldn't sell my 980 ti?
Replacing a 980ti with a 1070 is a downgrade.
All the games PCGH tested show similar results in regard the 1070's performance compared to a moderately overclocked 980ti.
I don't think I can trust that benchmark you posted. It shows a 780Ti beating a Titan X.
Replacing a 980ti with a 1070 is a downgrade.
All the games PCGH tested show similar results in regard the 1070's performance compared to a moderately overclocked 980ti.
Hmmm. It makes sense to upgrade my 970 up to the 1070 for more frames. Love me my 144hz. I hope my 3570k doesn't bottleneck things. At least for the next couple of years.
Edit: Oh yeah, do we have a size comparison between the 970 vs 1070?
Replacing a 980ti with a 1070 is a downgrade.
All the games PCGH tested show similar results in regard the 1070's performance compared to a moderately overclocked 980ti.
Edit: Oh yeah, do we have a size comparison between the 970 vs 1070?
Not only that, don't forget about the new Xbox rumors and if they turn out to be true, your xbox resell value will go to shit. So, either way I'd sell it now.
Moderately, lol. And despite the fact that it isn't moderately OCed a comparison makes only sense between the same preconditions. A 1070 that's OCed by 40 % will destroy a 980 Ti that's OCed by 40 %.
Moderately, lol. And despite the fact that it isn't moderately OCed a comparison makes only sense between the same preconditions. A 1070 that's OCed by 40 % will destroy a 980 Ti that's OCed by 40 %.
Sure but we haven't seen Pascal chips hit anywhere near a 40% OC, who knows if that is even attainable. So far the ceiling on air overclocks has been around 15-18% on these Pascal chips.
People are hoping it's just the cooler / power limit that's holding back the overclocks, but I looked back at some reference 980 Ti reviews and reviewers were 1400 MHz+ on those (30% OC), so who knows...
I'm hoping some AIB cards can hit around 2.3 GHz, otherwise at 2 GHz even the 1080 would be only a ~15 % jump over a 1500 MHz 980 Ti.
Meh, after seeing some more benchmarks... I think I'll go with a 1070 to replace my 970. I was sure I would want the 1080, but seeing how well the '70 performs at 1080p, the priceerformance ratio seems to be much, much better. And I won't be going over 1080p, so there's that.
Boy, NVIDIA really made things confusing with naming scheme for the 10 Series...
Meh, after seeing some more benchmarks... I think I'll go with a 1070 to replace my 970. I was sure I would want the 1080, but seeing how well the '70 performs at 1080p, the priceerformance ratio seems to be much, much better. And I won't be going over 1080p, so there's that.
Boy, NVIDIA really made things confusing with naming scheme for the 10 Series...
1070 overclocking is limited in firmware, it won't overclock much without BIOS and/or h/w mods.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMr7grvBljk
Seems to be a similar overclocking gain to the 1080 at ~11% performance gains, which is significantly less than Maxwell. Hopefully the after-market custom cooling boards are able to extract better performance, but again it looks like the Founder's Edition is going to be a bad buy for those wanting to overclock.
Give me a break. Go back in the old threads and find just how many people were crapping on Pascal, saying it wouldn't be much of an upgrade.Hey guys, just so you know I'm calling it now, 1080Ti will yield better perf than these two cards, you quote me on that!
1070 overclocking is limited in firmware, it won't overclock much without BIOS and/or h/w mods.
Give me a break. Go back in the old threads and find just how many people were crapping on Pascal, saying it wouldn't be much of an upgrade.
You haven't been on gaf long so I understand your delusion.
the GTX 1070 is around 6-7 times faster then the GTX 460.. so my guess is yes
How is noise? Would be nice to have something that could be similar to my MSI 970 gaming which was nice and quiet
I've read through a batch of reviews and I'm not going to get giddy with excitement until I see the non-reference card reviews. A few points of caution:
1. DirectX 12 performance remains a concern comparative to AMD. What with the big games increasingly all getting DX12 versions in the future (Battlefield 1, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided etc), the driver advantage will slowly wilt going forward.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,14.html
2. It also seems the shortcomings with the Maxwell architecture are all largely there with Pascal, being as the two are very, very similar. Async compute capabilities still behind GCN? 1070 behind Fury non-X in AotS.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-pascal-performance,review-33567-3.html
3. Overclocking potential remains a mystery still. If this doesn't OC as well as a 980 Ti, buying one of those used for bargain-basement prices would make some sense. 980 Ti's are going to flood eBay very soon. I reckon I'll be able to pick one up for £300. AIB 1070's will cost from around £350 here minimum.
Not in Europe at that price. It basically costs the same of a 1080.
That's not even close to what most people are willingly to spend. For now both the 1080 and 1070 are priced for a very niche market of specialists and a few early adopters who don't mind the premium price.
Give me a break. Go back in the old threads and find just how many people were crapping on Pascal, saying it wouldn't be much of an upgrade.
You haven't been on gaf long so I understand your delusion. Just search for my posts and crow. You'll find them.
Guru3d and Hardware Canucks say quieter than the 970
Hardware Canucks review is here for the OP
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ews/72689-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review.html
A 1070 that's OCed by 40 % will destroy a 980 Ti that's OCed by 40 %.
Well, in a situation where budget is not a problem and you need a high end card and you need it in 2016, then Nvidia is the only way to go. But for everyone that would wait till 2017 or doesn't want to spend +$300 on a GPU, which believe is a huge amount of the market, we'll see if people give a shit about DX12 or not...It's hard to give a shit about DX12 performance scaling or async compute when Nvidia has so much brute force compared to the best AMD has. Especially since AMD isn't actually planning to compete with Nvidia in the high end until 2017, they are basically conceding to Nvidia the rest of this year free domination of the top shelf. If you think the amazing magical power of DX12 is going to somehow pull off a miracle and make Polaris faster than a 1070 then I got some really nice bridges to sell you.
I also wonder if anyone will ever actually buy AotS to play it. Fewer than 60,000 people actually own it. It's used so extensively for benchmarking even though no one seems to own or play it, just because it was the first DX12 game out with a built-in benchmarking tool. Nobody even knows if other DX12 games will ever achieve the scaling seen in AotS, a game which was built originally for Mantle and ported to DX12.
Isn't that the same for Maxwell though? Even so I can still just increase the power limit and adjust in software as you can with the 1070, and increase performance by a good 25% on the factory BIOS. Proper extreme hardware mods on the 980ti offered insane performance gains, but from what I'm reading the 1080 isn't fairing as well in that regard.
http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=157414&page=3
I've read through a batch of reviews and I'm not going to get giddy with excitement until I see the non-reference card reviews. A few points of caution:
1. DirectX 12 performance remains a concern comparative to AMD. What with the big games increasingly all getting DX12 versions in the future (Battlefield 1, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided etc), the driver advantage will slowly wilt going forward.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,14.html
2. It also seems the shortcomings with the Maxwell architecture are all largely there with Pascal, being as the two are very, very similar. Async compute capabilities still behind GCN? 1070 behind Fury non-X in AotS.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-pascal-performance,review-33567-3.html
All of this is true.DX12 performance isn't a concern in the slightest, AMD's DX12 uplift is still in place obviously and this won't change ever, NV cards will still demonstrate the same performance in DX11 and DX12 in GPU limited scenarios because NV's DX11 driver is much much better than AMD's.
AotS isn't faster on AMD because of "async compute", it's faster because AMD cards have way more bandwidth for compute tasks.
If you think the amazing magical power of DX12 is going to somehow pull off a miracle and make Polaris faster than a 1070 then I got some really nice bridges to sell you.
That's not "strange". A Fury X is a card with 8.6 TF single precision FP performance and 512GB/s of bandwidth. What's "strange" -- if anything is -- is just how far below its expected performance it punches in the vast majority of games.There are some plenty strange results with DX12 though. Hitman in particular shows the Fury X outperforming the 1070 at all resolutions and 'Ashes' is pretty much on parity.
That's not "strange". A Fury X is a card with 8.6 TF single precision FP performance and 512GB/s of bandwidth. What's "strange" -- if anything is -- is just how far below its expected performance it punches in the vast majority of games.
There are some plenty strange results with DX12 though. Hitman in particular shows the Fury X outperforming the 1070 at all resolutions and 'Ashes' is pretty much on parity.
It's hard to give a shit about DX12 performance scaling or async compute when Nvidia has so much brute force compared to the best AMD has. Especially since AMD isn't actually planning to compete with Nvidia in the high end until 2017, they are basically conceding to Nvidia the rest of this year free domination of the top shelf. If you think the amazing magical power of DX12 is going to somehow pull off a miracle and make Polaris faster than a 1070 then I got some really nice bridges to sell you.
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DX12 performance isn't a concern in the slightest, AMD's DX12 uplift is still in place obviously and this won't change ever, NV cards will still demonstrate the same performance in DX11 and DX12 in GPU limited scenarios because NV's DX11 driver is much much better than AMD's.
AotS isn't faster on AMD because of "async compute", it's faster because AMD cards have way more bandwidth for compute tasks.
I suspect that one thing that is helping AMD on GPU performance is D3D12 exposes Async Compute, which D3D11 did not. Ashes uses a modest amount of it, which gave us a noticeable perf improvement. It was mostly opportunistic where we just took a few compute tasks we were already doing and made them asynchronous, Ashes really isn’t a poster-child for advanced GCN features.
From what I've heard the 1070 is basically the exact same pcb as the 1080 with some components deactivated/removed, so it's a safe bet to assume it's the same size as the 1080, i.e. 10.6-11 inches/270mm.
970 is between 10.2 inches/260mm and 11 inches/280mm
I've stayed away from PC game for 3 years but with this new card I am in.