plumpblumpkin
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So I guess I shouldn't sell my 980 ti? 
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cripterion
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Hey guys, just so you know I'm calling it now, 1080Ti will yield better perf than these two cards, you quote me on that!
Backfoggen
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Hey guys, just so you know I'm calling it now, 1080Ti will yield better perf than these two cards, you quote me on that!
Oh shit, Bboy AJ surpassed as master predictor.
the GTX 1070 is around 6-7 times faster then the GTX 460.. so my guess is yes
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
So this is how much faster than my Radeon 6800? Gonna build me a PC.
SmartWaffles
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Nah it's just six 6850s duct taped together.
holygeesus
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So I guess I shouldn't sell my 980 ti?
What would be the point? Unless you are the only person in the world running at stock 980ti speeds, your card still outperforms a 1070 by a fair bit.
metareferential
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So I guess I shouldn't sell my 980 ti?
It depends; replacing a 980ti with a 1070 gives you a more recent platform and better support going forward.
It's not an upgrade in the common sense. It really boils down to how much you get for your card.
1080 is a better option, albeit still a marginal upgrade.
holygeesus
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Replacing a 980ti with a 1070 is a downgrade.
All the games PCGH tested show similar results in regard the 1070's performance compared to a moderately overclocked 980ti.
All the games PCGH tested show similar results in regard the 1070's performance compared to a moderately overclocked 980ti.
I don't think I can trust that benchmark you posted. It shows a 780Ti beating a Titan X.
holygeesus
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Haha fair enough. Here are the rest of the benchmarks they ran. PCGH is one of the most well regarded tech sites as far as I know, so they can be trusted.
Reallink
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Even ignoring that's clearly an outlier game (the 980ti is also curb stomping the 1080), it has to also be pointed out that's a 40% OC'ed 980ti Vs. a Reference 1070 (and 1080). You probably want to wait for the third party cards and what kind of clock they can expect to hit and maintain before casting judgement.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat.
3570k + 970 + 144hz Monitor
Hope the CPU will not bottleneck in VR and upcoming games like BF1.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Moderately, lol. And despite the fact that it isn't moderately OCed a comparison makes only sense between the same preconditions. A 1070 that's OCed by 40 % will destroy a 980 Ti that's OCed by 40 %.
Stupid Sexy Flanders
Member
If this can run Overwatch and Rocket League at 4k 60fps I'm in.
Ah screw it, I'm probably in anyway.
Ah screw it, I'm probably in anyway.
RamaTheVoice
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From what I've heard the 1070 is basically the exact same pcb as the 1080 with some components deactivated/removed, so it's a safe bet to assume it's the same size as the 1080, i.e. 10.6-11 inches/270mm.
970 is between 10.2 inches/260mm and 11 inches/280mm
CraigerGamer
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I kind of feel I need to purchase the 1070 just to get on the good refresh cycle. I'm using a 970 right now and more than likely, it's resale value will drop like a rock. So I lose a bunch to get the 1070 but the only cards coming for a while are cards that perform better. So if I want to upgrade to a 1080ti, my 1070 is still worth near what I paid for it. That 1080ti will last me a good while, and should I need to upgrade, I won't need to take too much of a loss on the premier card.
Did my ambien kick in and I'm not making much sense, or am I making tooooo much sense.
Sure but we haven't seen Pascal chips hit anywhere near a 40% OC, who knows if that is even attainable. So far the ceiling on air overclocks has been around 15-18% on these Pascal chips.
People are hoping it's just the cooler / power limit that's holding back the overclocks, but I looked back at some reference 980 Ti reviews and reviewers were 1400 MHz+ on those (30% OC), so who knows...
I'm hoping some AIB cards can hit around 2.3 GHz, otherwise at 2 GHz even the 1080 would be only a ~15 % jump over a 1500 MHz 980 Ti.
holygeesus
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Meh I'd say 1430MHz is a pretty moderate OC seeing as anyone with any card can achieve that on air alone. As you say though it will be interesting to see how far the 1070 can be pushed.
Meh, after seeing some more benchmarks... I think I'll go with a 1070 to replace my 970. I was sure I would want the 1080, but seeing how well the '70 performs at 1080p, the priceerformance ratio seems to be much, much better. And I won't be going over 1080p, so there's that.
Boy, NVIDIA really made things confusing with naming scheme for the 10 Series...
erformance ratio seems to be much, much better. And I won't be going over 1080p, so there's that.Boy, NVIDIA really made things confusing with naming scheme for the 10 Series...
Unknown Soldier
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Reference 980 Ti's had both power connectors already, reference 1080's only have one. That's going to dramatically hold back the overclocks, cooling is not an issue even with the reference cooler set to 100% as some people have tested. Until we have custom cards with 2x power connectors and unlocked modded BIOSes with raised power and voltage limits, we won't see the full potential of 1080.
dr_rus
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Meh, after seeing some more benchmarks... I think I'll go with a 1070 to replace my 970. I was sure I would want the 1080, but seeing how well the '70 performs at 1080p, the price
Boy, NVIDIA really made things confusing with naming scheme for the 10 Series...
Price/performance is always better on lower end cards.
Meh, after seeing some more benchmarks... I think I'll go with a 1070 to replace my 970. I was sure I would want the 1080, but seeing how well the '70 performs at 1080p, the price
Boy, NVIDIA really made things confusing with naming scheme for the 10 Series...
Did they?
970 > 1070
980 > 1080
Seems simple enough to me.
holygeesus
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMr7grvBljk
Seems to be a similar overclocking gain to the 1080 at ~11% performance gains, which is significantly less than Maxwell. Hopefully the after-market custom cooling boards are able to extract better performance, but again it looks like the Founder's Edition is going to be a bad buy for those wanting to overclock.
Seems to be a similar overclocking gain to the 1080 at ~11% performance gains, which is significantly less than Maxwell. Hopefully the after-market custom cooling boards are able to extract better performance, but again it looks like the Founder's Edition is going to be a bad buy for those wanting to overclock.
Coulomb_Barrier
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I've read through a batch of reviews and I'm not going to get giddy with excitement until I see the non-reference card reviews. A few points of caution:
1. DirectX 12 performance remains a concern comparative to AMD. What with the big games increasingly all getting DX12 versions in the future (Battlefield 1, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided etc), the driver advantage will slowly wilt going forward.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,14.html
2. It also seems the shortcomings with the Maxwell architecture are all largely there with Pascal, being as the two are very, very similar. Async compute capabilities still behind GCN? 1070 behind Fury non-X in AotS.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-pascal-performance,review-33567-3.html
3. Overclocking potential remains a mystery still. If this doesn't OC as well as a 980 Ti, buying one of those used for bargain-basement prices would make some sense. 980 Ti's are going to flood eBay very soon. I reckon I'll be able to pick one up for £300. AIB 1070's will cost from around £350 here minimum.
1. DirectX 12 performance remains a concern comparative to AMD. What with the big games increasingly all getting DX12 versions in the future (Battlefield 1, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided etc), the driver advantage will slowly wilt going forward.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,14.html
2. It also seems the shortcomings with the Maxwell architecture are all largely there with Pascal, being as the two are very, very similar. Async compute capabilities still behind GCN? 1070 behind Fury non-X in AotS.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-pascal-performance,review-33567-3.html
3. Overclocking potential remains a mystery still. If this doesn't OC as well as a 980 Ti, buying one of those used for bargain-basement prices would make some sense. 980 Ti's are going to flood eBay very soon. I reckon I'll be able to pick one up for £300. AIB 1070's will cost from around £350 here minimum.
dr_rus
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1070 overclocking is limited in firmware, it won't overclock much without BIOS and/or h/w mods.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Give me a break. Go back in the old threads and find just how many people were crapping on Pascal, saying it wouldn't be much of an upgrade.Hey guys, just so you know I'm calling it now, 1080Ti will yield better perf than these two cards, you quote me on that!
You haven't been on gaf long so I understand your delusion. Just search for my posts and crow. You'll find them.
holygeesus
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Isn't that the same for Maxwell though? Even so I can still just increase the power limit and adjust in software as you can with the 1070, and increase performance by a good 25% on the factory BIOS. Proper extreme hardware mods on the 980ti offered insane performance gains, but from what I'm reading the 1080 isn't fairing as well in that regard.
http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=157414&page=3
chromatic9
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Think I've read much more people saying Pascal was going to be 100% faster or by a considerable margin, HBM2 and the rest., VR peeps were sure the GPU VR race was on for a year and were pretty deflated when it was just 25-30%.
Calling it now guys, bookmark this page, etch this date in stone. 1080ti will be much more powerful than the 1080, NVidia aren't going to hold the industry back for the 1080 owners to feel good.
woosh
How is noise? Would be nice to have something that could be similar to my MSI 970 gaming which was nice and quiet
Seeing it around 980ti performance is a little disappointing (which I realise isn't that rational but I can't help it). And the decent gap to the 1080 had me contemplating that card.
Sensible approach would probably be to get the 1070 and then possibly upgrade to the 1080ti next year or even to the 1080 as prices should drop
Seeing it around 980ti performance is a little disappointing (which I realise isn't that rational but I can't help it). And the decent gap to the 1080 had me contemplating that card.
Sensible approach would probably be to get the 1070 and then possibly upgrade to the 1080ti next year or even to the 1080 as prices should drop
chromatic9
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Guru3d and Hardware Canucks say quieter than the 970
Hardware Canucks review. EDIT will post in the review thread.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ews/72689-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review.html
Unknown Soldier
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It's hard to give a shit about DX12 performance scaling or async compute when Nvidia has so much brute force compared to the best AMD has. Especially since AMD isn't actually planning to compete with Nvidia in the high end until 2017, they are basically conceding to Nvidia the rest of this year free domination of the top shelf. If you think the amazing magical power of DX12 is going to somehow pull off a miracle and make Polaris faster than a 1070 then I got some really nice bridges to sell you.
I also wonder if anyone will ever actually buy AotS to play it. Fewer than 60,000 people actually own it. It's used so extensively for benchmarking even though no one seems to own or play it, just because it was the first DX12 game out with a built-in benchmarking tool. Nobody even knows if other DX12 games will ever achieve the scaling seen in AotS, a game which was built originally for Mantle and ported to DX12.
Gormenghast
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Quoting myself because what I meant is that in Europe you get a 1070 for almost the price in the US you'd pay for a 1080.
Right now you can preorder in shops the 1080 for 800€. That's almost $1000 until a year ago. These are Titan-level premium prices.
The FE of the 1070, the one priced $450 it's at least 520€ in Europe, it's +200€ over the price of a standard 970. These are NOT prices for the big public. Only enthusiasts will buy these cards until the prices fall back into the norm.
I bought a 770 a few months after release for 280€. A 970 already increased prices to 320€. Now they expect you to buy a 1070 for around 450€+ for a similar model. That's a +150€.
If the 770/970 were somewhat in a middle range price that made them very popular, the 1070 in Europe is entirely off that segment. These prices in Europe just aren't going to work, at least until things fall back into norm in a few months.
cripterion
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I'm just teasing a bit, no hard feelings
I personally don't feel the cards are such a big deal, considering the euro prices and because I already own a 980Ti with a G-sync monitor but it's good to see decent performance across the board and real 8GB of ram for the 1070 (although it's not GDDR5X right?). GTX1070 is a no brainer for people who own 6-7 series and wanna get a good boost without forking over too much cash.
PS : I've been reading GAF since summer 2003 but I know it doesn't show on the profile.
That's really good to hear. My 970's would get quite loud. Asus Strix.
Gormenghast
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Problem is that some tests show how the 1070 and 1080 seem to throttle a lot more. Plus the Founder Edition selecting the best samples. The overclock scenarios don't seem comparable...
Adry9
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Well, in a situation where budget is not a problem and you need a high end card and you need it in 2016, then Nvidia is the only way to go. But for everyone that would wait till 2017 or doesn't want to spend +$300 on a GPU, which believe is a huge amount of the market, we'll see if people give a shit about DX12 or not...
dr_rus
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GM200 isn't as limited as either GP104 card. 1070 has a max power limit of 112% for example and there's something similar in place on 1080 albeit the limit is on voltage input.
GP104 cards won't be top of the line hence all the limitations.
DX12 performance isn't a concern in the slightest, AMD's DX12 uplift is still in place obviously and this won't change ever, NV cards will still demonstrate the same performance in DX11 and DX12 in GPU limited scenarios because NV's DX11 driver is much much better than AMD's.
AotS isn't faster on AMD because of "async compute", it's faster because AMD cards have way more bandwidth for compute tasks.
All of this is true.
What many people across the board seem to fail to understand is that AMD GPUs get a significant "DX12 uplift" in some games because they fail to perform up to their actual hardware capabilities in DX11. NV's DX11 drivers mostly already make good use of the hardware.
holygeesus
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There are some plenty strange results with DX12 though. Hitman in particular shows the Fury X outperforming the 1070 at all resolutions and 'Ashes' is pretty much on parity.
That's not "strange". A Fury X is a card with 8.6 TF single precision FP performance and 512GB/s of bandwidth. What's "strange" -- if anything is -- is just how far below its expected performance it punches in the vast majority of games.
holygeesus
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Well quite, but having the expected performance in only a handful of games, by definition makes them odd results. Hitman in particular had heavy AMD support, which implies that the predicted performance for the card can be met with enough hand holding. Even in DX11 the Fury X performs well.
Unknown Soldier
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Hitman is a game that AMD literally wrote the async compute code for and gave it to the devs. It's not surprising that AotS and Hitman are the two outliers that are always brought up.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Why do you always shift arguments to something that isn't even there? I never mentioned Polaris, don't make me laugh with these bewildering assumptions on my behalf. There is no way Polaris 10 is faster than 1070, everyone knows that, that's not the debate.
Well maybe 'concerned' was the wrong word to use. What I meant was, DX12 performance is one reason why I would consider a cheaper, less performant Polaris card. As going forward, AMD being hamstrung by their poor DX11 drivers will become less of a negative for their cards.
Are you sure about AotS and async compute though? I am pretty sure async is a factor in that game's performance across both sets of cards.
The dev said this on the matter:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1569897/...ularity-dx12-benchmarks/1200_20#post_24356995
Blackpanther25
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I've stayed away from PC game for 3 years but with this new card I am in.
AllenSpawn
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I have a Galax 970 which is 9.5 inches.
The thing is ,I need a 9.5 inch card to fit into an X51.
I'm hoping some third party makes a 9.5 inch card. Res
*fingers crossed*
Visualante2
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I'm still on a 7870. Wanted to go with Polaris but if AMD don't release something competitive soon I'm likely going to buy a 1070.
