Sounds great. Hopefully they're also turning up their effort on some new IP.
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Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Sounds great. Hopefully they're also turning up their effort on some new IP.
aaronwt
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I thought it was reported that it does have a UHD BD drive? It's not like the actual drive is very expensive.
wesleyshark
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Ol' Wade was wrong. It has a UHD BD drive.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Zombie James
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Sounds like MS is getting their priorities straight again. Betting on Kinect for the Xbone has to be one of the bigger mistakes a company's made.
I think people are worried about cost?
I think people are worried about cost?
BruceLeeRoy said it wouldn't be there, then Matt said it wouldn't be more powerful than the Neo.
This is why I don't speculate about such things before it's revealed.
Bits N Pieces
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Are they not both 'Sony insiders'?
Very valid concern. But I think alot of people just like to "lol, MS."
Time will tell.
Aceofspades
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Its not "power" alone that make people choose Playstation over Xbox.
Playstation brand is simply way bigger than Xbox especially WW, it also has more games, world class 1st party developers and VR.
duhmetree
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It's not a new generation. There's a solid foundation already for Sony. Sony expects to sell another 20M units before Scorpio is even released. Then you factor in Sony exclusives and NEO dropping a full year in advance... XB exclusives now on PC... with AMDs new line of products, PC gaming has never been this attractive.
LukasTaves
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To be fair Xbox one wasn't just weaker, it was more expensive at launch, had a controversial reveal, and all that. And now with scorpio they might be a few months late to the party, which could be too late.
But even so, there's no denying that no longer having the most powerful console will hurt them to some extent.
AquaWateria
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How much is the Scorpio going to cost? If its going to be massively expensive then its going to be bad idea.
Heck when the PS3 first released it ended up being a bad idea due to how expensive it was.
I mean having great specs isn't bad but if its too expensive consumers aren't likely to dip.
Heck when the PS3 first released it ended up being a bad idea due to how expensive it was.
I mean having great specs isn't bad but if its too expensive consumers aren't likely to dip.
I think so, I'm not exactly sure though.
pixelation
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Because history shows that it never has been, simple as that.
DOWN
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Remember these new models will likely be expensive. PS4 beat Xbox on power AND cost. Scorpio may only be playing the power game. Neo also may be coming much sooner which could be to its advantage when upgraded multi platform franchises are rolling in.
LukasTaves
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To be honest I doubt it will be higher than $400.
Ms has played that dance before (and I don't mean the Xbone). They know that a higher priced console that comes later will get crushed on sales.
Things are a bit different now, specially Ms needs to have a box that is successful, but I think they still want to have the CoD/Destiny/BF crowd playing on xbox every year, so they need to be aggressive.
MilkyJoe
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Everyone was of the belief that MS would be doomed again unless they counter Sony with the better console after "this gen" machines. They have, by a fair old wallop. Now it is somehow still doomed because ; it'll be too expensive, MS have no games, it'll will be hobbled by xbox (see PC Ultra settings for this folly), it'll come too late to the party, PS4 will have already sold another billion consoles so it will be too late... etc... All of which are tales from the arse (i saw that once on here and have stolen it heh heh ) plus the usual uninformed nonsense about having no VR and will be constrained my 4K mandate.
Fox and the grapes
I think the first statement was the cherry on the cake of the whole 2013 reveals; with the second, for me anyway, while more power is always better you still have to compare the ecosystems as a whole, power is just a component consideration.
Personally Ive always wanted games to hit native resolution as I usually game on a monitor so non-native is noticeable. While I remain with 1080p with no real impetus to move to UHD til (mainstream) content is there then when I see the power argument all I want is someone to provide 1080p and use all that extra power on graphics and framerate.
The arguments Ive seen about 'true 4k' and the like seem stupid in reality knowing how far those Tfs really go, especially in light of RX480 reviews (especially the TDP!). I still think 1080p upscaled to UHD is the best solution while we still arent capable of 'true 4k' - both consoles will be able to deliver that so the power difference ends up manifesting itself like it already has with the PS4 and XO.
Also Im sure Im not the only one that worries more about having to have the PS4/XO as baggage for half their life expectancies - thats less time optimising and possibly designing games with those constraints.
I guess if I was already on UHD my thoughts actually could be different - havent really thought about it because Im so jaded with the concept after how long it took 1080p to deliver (i.e. it still hasnt outside of gaming and BDs)
EDIT: And I push back on the second sentences 'MS is still doomed' as its as stupid as 'MS has won' when talking about Scorpio - just hyperbole.
ps3ud0 8)
Because it is not the sole reason ps4 is beating xb1. Ps4 was cheaper and powerful. Neo will still be cheaper than Scorpio considering the power difference next year.by the time the power difference starts to make a difference Sony would have the ps5 coming out
Backfoggen
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Pretty neat how that is all going to work out.
justsomeguy
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Yup, it'll probably take ages for developers to make the 6tf version of a game look better than the 1.8tf version of a game.
But then if PS5 is more powerful... won't it also take the same length of time for the power difference to make a difference?...
MS's intentions to be closer to PC's has been clear, so MS will likely have another Xbox ready around PS5's launch provided there is good power jump there.
Also consider Spencer said he had design docs for an upgraded Xbox One, but decided to move forward in bigger numbers to target 4K and high fidelity VR.
All signs point to them not falling behind in power again.
Are you guys seriously convinced power alone is going to make them the desired console? The xbox brand is not strong outside US/UK. Cod, destiny, star wars and now marvel with spiderman are still going to be associated with Sony and Playstation for the foreseeable future. All xbox games are going to be on PC as well so I am not sure what makes Scorpio a must have console. If you guys are suggesting MS is going to dominate with Scorpio, please tell me how they will do it.
I don't think they implied that.
Backfoggen
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All these "How Scorpio is definitely not going to be successful" scenarios are useless because we don't know anything except for the fact that it's going to come out and it's going to be powerful. MS has to do work around it to make it happen and we know none of their plans.
dragonelite
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Did marvel confirm it will only release its games on Sony console, or was it only the spiderman game?
Cod, destiny and star wars are multiplat titles the strongest console will be the one
associated with it. Current gen obsession with resolution and frame rate will help with it.
WhiskerFrisker
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How if PlayStation has marketing rights with those games?
SlipperyFishes
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Scorpio and Neo are both members of the Xbox One and PS4 families respectively. Whatever comes after Neo will be met by whatever comes after X1, S and Scorpio.
There are some people that will stick with a platform no matter what, I think those are the people that would make statements like this. I wouldn't put too much stock in it, the market will speak for itself. What interest me more is the software they have in the pipeline for 2017 to showcase the hardware, after all software is what will sell the hardware.
Smooth transition and not having to buy the game again will make sure friends and ecosystems carry over to the next playstation system especially with marketing and exclusive deals for cod, destiny. Spiderman console games are exclusive to Sony for the foreseeable future as per marvel.
This is what I agree with.
Not at all. Just suggesting that the path MS seems to be on now, where they explicitly stated they want to more closely follow the trends in PC gaming, means they'll check the power box for their console offering going forward. You can deny it as a selling point, but it's no less an important factor among several factors for where consumers choose to spend their dollars.
As for price, by the time PS5 comes out then they can drop the price of Scorpio and come out with (or announce) a more powerful version of Scorpio to match or exceed whatever Sony offers.
Ultimately, they'll probably settle into a pretty close pissing match on price and performance just as they've always done.
All the other stuff you mentioned is a fair point, but it's not what I was talking about.
I think it's pretty obvious this will happen tbh. they will be cheaper then scorpio, and earlier then scorpio. i don't see MS gaining this ground back, certainly not if they're selling some $500 machine over a year later.
You know the price of Scorpio?
To those talking about the marketing stuff Sony has with Activision for COD, Destiny, etc: That is usually tied to whichever console is doing the best. Last gen it was the 360 and we saw all the exclusives and such for that system mostly. This gen it was fairly obviously early on it was the PS4 and Activision jumped there. If the scorpio outdoes the neo, whats stopping Activision from jumping over to the scorpio at that point?
The only game in that list I see sticking with the Sony bias is Destiny, because of the background of Bungie and Microsoft splitting and I doubt Bungie wants to have to go back to giving Microsoft exclusive perks.
The only game in that list I see sticking with the Sony bias is Destiny, because of the background of Bungie and Microsoft splitting and I doubt Bungie wants to have to go back to giving Microsoft exclusive perks.
justsomeguy
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You've just invented a whole load of stuff i never said
Power is always relevant and the hardcore will gravitate to the most powerful console provided the software experiences are there.
The PS4 was stronger, cheaper and had the right messaging. Scorpio will have one of those three but the other two are difficult for Microsoft to achieve.
Yet Sony and MS did catch up to Nintendo after the Wii.
Anything can happen. Looks like this thread went from the specs talk and excitement of new power to why MS is will never and can never be the go to console for gamers.
Oh wow, never knew it was going to release on the xbox first. I guess those rewrites/changes (whatever is was that happened to Destiny that caused us to get the version we got at launch) let them change how that worked out.
anothertech
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Xbone: always online, power, and price vs PS4 = doomed
Scorpio: 4K only, confused messaging, premium price likely, year later than NEO = doomed
No one is saying the power alone dooms the consoles.
The above is also mostly untrue, like the always online part, but it's the message they're sending. The message is where Sony have been playing Aces since 2013 and MS keeps failing miserably.
Scorpio: 4K only, confused messaging, premium price likely, year later than NEO = doomed
No one is saying the power alone dooms the consoles.
The above is also mostly untrue, like the always online part, but it's the message they're sending. The message is where Sony have been playing Aces since 2013 and MS keeps failing miserably.
4K only => false
confused messaging => I don´t find it confusing
premium price likely => pure speculation
MilkyJoe
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Funny thing is that this will use their "console brand of choice" to push further and they will reap the benefit.
I'm finding less and less reason to get a Neo at this point. I'd rather put money towards Scorpio for all its trying to do. Neo feels like a half measure.
biglittleps
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Neo and Scorpio are not generation reset and it just an premium SKU of existing consoles. And these consoles wont have user base of 1/3 of their predecessor considering their prices and release time which is middle of the generation, so won't have much impact in sales. These are meant for enthusiasts who are minority and not meant for the mass adoption, so 3rd parties won't jump because their games sell great on big user base (original consoles and these will outsell their high end parts easily due to price factor alone) and many users won't jump on new upgrades just for some resolutions updates and nicer effects.