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Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)

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GK86 said:
The Associated Press ‏@AP

BREAKING: Authorities: Man called 911 in south Georgia to report break-in, then ambushed, shot officer who came to investigate.
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Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress says the officer also was wounded, but both men are expected to survive. He says the officer was shot “multiple times” but is going to be fine.
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At least both people will survive and the shooter can be brought in.
 
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I hope people will do some kind of counter rally against this violence. Coming in killing people Rambo style is going to do nothing for the cause. Something that should be communicated to potential copycats around the country.
 
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ShockingAlberto

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frogger said:
Of course, we are talking about statistics not just one instance.
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No we're not. That's explicitly not what you said.

frogger said:
Not saying all of the police shooting were justified, but if you have been robbed at gun point, you might think a bit differently.
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This is literally an anecdote. You were trying to gin up sympathy by implying "I was robbed and the guy was black and none of you know what I went through!" and when people respond that your experience did not justify your views, you suddenly retreated into "I was speaking statistically."

No, you weren't.
 
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Syder said:
What, why? Black people understand orders from a cop the same as anyone else. The solution would be to adequately punish cops who murder people but they so rarely get fully penalised.
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Sure, if it is murder they should get punished as any murderer.
 
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sindbadthesailor said:
The systemic abuse and oppression of minorities could only go on for so long before they started fighting back.

You reap what you sow.
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The problem is that this is the same line of thinking that fuels bigotry in all its form.

What does the Dallas PD have to do with the recent deaths?
 
frogger

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ShockingAlberto said:
No we're not. That's explicitly not what you said.



This is literally an anecdote. You were trying to gin up sympathy by implying "I was robbed and the guy was black and none of you know what I went through!" and when people respond that your experience did not justify your views, you suddenly retreated into "I was speaking statistically."

No, you weren't.
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I did spoke statistically, I said all 10 robberies happened to my colleagues and I were committed by blacks in my very first post.
 
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frogger said:
This is such a tragic event. The racial tension is only going to get worse.

On one hand I do feel for the police. From my personal experience, I used to deliver food for a restaurant during college years. Between my colleagues and I, there were nearly 10 robberies during the 4 years of college and all of them were committed by blacks and most of them with guns. If I am a police officer I would be extra careful when the suspect is black too. I just don't see a perfect solution for all of these problems.
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I have the perfect solution for you, quit, you are not fit to be a police officer.
 
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frogger said:
Sure, if it is murder they should get punished as any murderer.
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Yet, they never do. Philando Castile was murdered. He complied and was murdered and I'm willing to bet, ain't shit gonna happen for the most part to that cop

The black cop union is calling for the commish to resign, the governor called out the fact if Castile was white he'd be alive, but shit ain't gonna change
 
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frogger isn't telling an anecdote. He's straight up lying. It took 3 posts for him to show a big inconsistency in his story.
 
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entremet said:
The problem is that this is the same line of thinking that fuels bigotry in all its form.

What does the Dallas PD have to do with the recent deaths?
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Nothing. But that's what happens.

No one's condoning violence but it needs to be understood that whitewashing the reasons behind this will only result in further atrocities. Unless serious and immediate steps are taken to curb police brutality and unchecked powers, then more and more of the disenfranchised will see violence as the only solution. That's just how the world works.
 
EscapeArtist

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Iorv3th said:
Swat was there. What are you talking about? Even if they used a flashbang or something he could still fire without knowing what he is shooting at or detonate a bomb if he had one.

What after they 'contain him'? The guy was shooting at them, said he wanted to kill as many as he could. In that situation killing the criminal is going to be the best way to make sure he doesn't injure anyone else.

Get out of here with these posts wanting to protect the murderer and acting like the police did a bad job.
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Pretty sure that was the reason for the explosives, they used an explosion near him and didn't want officers near him in case he was sitting there with an explosive himself.
 
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inky said:
Your personal experience as a delivery man is not statistics.
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From wikipedia
"According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites. Robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than the reverse"

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher."

The whole thing is a social economical issue started generations ago. The poverty between races caused more crimes and caused more racial profiling.
 
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LionPride said:
Yet, they never do. Philando Castile was murdered. He complied and was murdered and I'm willing to bet, ain't shit gonna happen for the most part to that cop

The black cop union is calling for the commish to resign, the governor called out the fact if Castile was white he'd be alive, but shit ain't gonna change
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I think the video is going to make a difference this time.
 
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wesleyshark said:
No need to apologize... I just am cringing that whomever runs that Twitter account would think that was okay to post, because it definitely was not an okay thing to post.
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Oh good, I agree.

I erased the rest of your comment though because that twitter account could just be run by one person, and isn't necessarily representing a sect of BLM or BLM as a whole. Just a shitty tweet, and it gets roasted in the replies.
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No problem - that's fair - but as they do claim to be an official chapter of the BLM I could see how someone could think that the tweet represent more than just the opinion of one person. That's partially why I posted it, to find out if the account in anyway speaks for a larger group of BLM members.
 
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frogger said:
I did spoke statistically, I said all 10 robberies happened to my colleagues and I were committed by blacks in my very first post.
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K look I get it you're a victim and because of that I really don't feel comfortable seeing you get attacked like this.

But look, your posts sound awfully racist. Undeniably so. However, because you are a victim, I suggest you drop out of this thread. You're heavily biased due to past trauma and you're earning no favors burying yourself this way.

So listen carefully. You need to leave this thread and seek counseling. You shouldn't feel like you have to walk around in fear of anyone (black white etc). That's a miserable way to live.
 
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LionPride said:
Yet, they never do. Philando Castile was murdered. He complied and was murdered and I'm willing to bet, ain't shit gonna happen for the most part to that cop

The black cop union is calling for the commish to resign, the governor called out the fact if Castile was white he'd be alive, but shit ain't gonna change
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Really separates the two incidents, doesn't it. Whether yesterday's murder was captured alive or not he was going to face justice. Both cops who executed black men a couple days ago probably won't be charged, and certainly won't be indicted/sentenced.

How long can you push people before someone pushes back Not justifying this nonsense, but you can't expect incident after incident of state sponsored executions to result in no justice and not eventually spark a violent reaction.
 
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ishibear said:
K look I get it you're a victim and because of that I really don't feel comfortable seeing you get attacked like this.

But look, your posts sound awfully racist. Undeniably so. However, because you are a victim, I suggest you drop out of this thread. You're heavily biased due to past trauma and you're earning no favors burying yourself this way.

So listen carefully. You need to leave this thread and seek counseling. You shouldn't feel like you have to walk around in fear of anyone (black white etc). That's a miserable way to live.
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This is good advice.
 
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frogger said:
"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher."

The whole thing is a social economical issue started generations ago. The poverty between races caused more crimes and caused more racial profiling.
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That statistic is fabricated. Last I remember, blacks make up less than 15% of the population. There is no way they could be responsible for 52% of homicides.
 
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I think the Dallas PD made great strides in making sure the community could trust them and fixing up their policing practices. And when things went down, they got protected by the people. The ultimate reward IMO.

But they aren't the police in general. They aren't the US police, and the departments all over the country failed to hold themselves accountable and make the necessary fixes.

It's a shame the five cops died due to a deranged mind reaching a breaking point. And it sucks that more cops are now in danger.


But this could have been stopped! And one side had the power to stop it, to fix things, to make life easier for themselves and the communities if they had just listened. The state failed the people, I just hope they figure out a way to mitigate the fallout and find positive solutions asap.
 
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frogger said:
I think the video is going to make a difference this time.
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MOTHERFUCKER IT NEVER DOES

We can have video evidence and shit won't change

Also, I don't give a rat's anus that 10 times yall were robbed. That doesn't mean you should racially profile us. Shit ain't a fucking reason, barely borders as an excuse.
 
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frogger said:
From wikipedia
"According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites. Robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than the reverse"

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher."

The whole thing is a social economical issue started generations ago. The poverty between races caused more crimes and caused more racial profiling.
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Socio-economic gaps don't just happen, by the way, they're engineered by the elite in society.
 
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entremet said:
The problem is that this is the same line of thinking that fuels bigotry in all its form.

What does the Dallas PD have to do with the recent deaths?
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The difference is cops aren't punished the same way the rest of us are. The system is doing a bad job of encouraging people to play by the rules when the rules aren't enforced equally. Cop killers and killer cops are not treated equally and it's unreasonable to expect victimized people to take it on the chin forever.
 
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ishibear said:
K look I get it you're a victim and because of that I really don't feel comfortable seeing you get attacked like this.

But look, your posts sound awfully racist. Undeniably so. However, because you are a victim, I suggest you drop out of this thread. You're heavily biased due to past trauma and you're earning no favors burying yourself this way.

So listen carefully. You need to leave this thread and seek counseling. You shouldn't feel like you have to walk around in fear of anyone (black white etc). That's a miserable way to live.
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Sound advice.
 
frogger

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kamspy said:
That statistic is fabricated. Last I remember, blacks make up less than 15% of the population. There is no way they could be responsible for 52% of homicides.
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The source in Wikipedia is cited. Not saying it is 100% true, but given how sensitive this subject is, if this is not true, someone would have corrected it already.
 
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cr0w

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frogger said:
Lol, I don't see how am I a racist when speaking true personal experiences.
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Because you're using anecdotal experiences to color your opinion of an entire fucking race, and supporting racial profiling because of those experiences. That's why you're a racist.
 
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