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[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Pal, you're reading what you want to read and being angry at anything that may not sound exactly like what you want to hear. You're the type that hurts movements because you can't engage in conversation, recognize sympathetic souls, and shout down anyone that disagrees with your methods. You're also putting words in my mouth.

Okay. Let's back up to what I said you said:

Guy, you came in here to say MLK isn't infallible...

Just because MLK said it doesn't make it gospel. He wasn't infallible.

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...that black people could possibly make you late to pick up your child...

I completely disagree with shutting down roadways. As both a parent and sufferer of an anxiety disorder, I would have a very difficult time sitting idle in my car if I was attempting to reach my child. It's not just about medical emergencies.

We're not talking about forcing people to hear and see you. We're talking about restricting someone's movement. And I think that's wrong.

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...and they should stop because the protests they did long ago were more palatable to you.

The civil rights movement wasn't strictly or even primarily about this type of protesting. Shutting down a highway or burning people's businesses is not the same as refusing to give up a bus seat. Those were different times, and it was very simple acts of civil disobedience that brought about the movement, and it was the unification of all brothers and sisters in the movement for equality that brought about real change.

What words did I put in your mouth?

 

[GK86]

5 cops are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

Trayvon, Tamir, Sandra, Alton, Delrawn, Philando, Eric, Sean, Freddie, Michael, Walter, Jamar are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

 

[teiresias]

5 cops are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

Their fill? I think they've had their fill of being terrorized by police officers due to the color of their skin. You need to step back and see that protesting injustice doesn't stop because some crazy person takes advantage of circumstances.

 

[Mr. X]

5 cops are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

I need more context before I decide to walk away from the screen. Please tell me you aren't saying what I think you're saying.

 

[Infinite]

5 cops are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

You're disgusting

 

[Bad_Boy]

It's an acceptable form of protest in 2016 because overt racism is seen as distasteful now, while institutional and insidious racism is seen as the norm. There are no busses to occupy in this new system of widespread silent injustice.

true.

... i'm not sure what peaceful marching protests will accomplish if they aren't hurting the financial infrastructure of those who want to ignore the problem.

Spoiler

im not saying resort to violence for those who want to read too deep into what i'm saying

 

[marrec]

I need more context before I decide to walk away from the screen. Please tell me you aren't saying what I think you're saying.

Context is:

Dude wants to troll.

 

[TheOctodad]

5 cops are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

No one wants more cops dead.

We want less deaths period.

And there have been thousands of blacks killed without justice.

Both or horrible - they are not mutually exclusive things to be against.

BUT.

One has power, government funding, and systematic support.

The other has been told to shutup, sit quiet, and wait ... for decades.

 

[hokahey]

The boycotts ruined the livelihoods of many people in the city directly. Indirecty it ruined peoples ability to get to work and pick up their kids.
Sit-in made thing bad for innocent customers who just wanted a meal.

And marches shutdown whole roads and towns all the time in the Civil Rights movement.

You have to be willing to agitate decent people to get attention.the disruptive nature is the very reason it worked so well.

I really respect and appreciate your responses. You're clearly well informed and capable of intelligent dialogue.

You're 100% right, but all of those things were primarily affecting racist institutions and areas and those that supported them to begin with. They were targeted.

 

[woolley]

Trayvon, Tamir, Sandra, Alton, Delrawn, Philando, Eric, Sean, Freddie, Michael, Walter, Jamar are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

No, they're black. They only equal like half a cop.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

No, they're black. They only equal like half a cop.

Pfftt.. More like 1/10000th of a cop.

 

[Bad_Boy]

No, they're black. They only equal like half a cop.

thats very generous of you.

 

[Johnny]

Did BLM kill those cops or not? Are they killing cops now or not?

BLM has called for the death of cops on numerous occasions, in their marches. One of the founding members was inspired by a well known cop killer. Protesters were throwing rocks and rebar at cops just last night in St. Paul. They incite this violence.

 

[Breads]

5 cops are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

Gonna need you to break this down for me buddy.

Because it sounds like you're implying that the protesters are losers who are out for police blood.

Surely this isn't what you meant.

:e:

BLM has called for the death of cops on numerous occasions, in their marches. One of the founding members was inspired by a well known cop killer. Protesters were throwing rocks and rebar at cops just last night in St. Paul. They incite this violence.

Oh. You're one of those people. Benefit of the doubt gone~

 

[hokahey]

Okay. Let's back up to what I said you said:


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What words did I put in your mouth?

I'm not going to fight with you. Ultimately we're on the same side here. You assume I'm not because I disagree with shutting down the highway. You know nothing about me though. I'd suggest engaging in actual dialogue instead of jumping down people's throats.

All movements should be about "making friends", or at least gaining supporters. Failure to do so dooms a movement to fail.

That said, again, I'm on your side.

 

[EdibleKnife]

BLM has called for the death of cops on numerous occasions, in their marches. One of the founding members was inspired by a well known cop killer. Protesters were throwing rocks and rebar at cops just last night in St. Paul. They incite this violence.

Hmm Did they kill cops is what I asked. If they didn't then I don't know what your point is. Also, you didn't answer my question about numbers games. How many more black people do you need to see dying on nation TV until you're satisfied that black people have an actual grievance.

All movements should be about "making friends", or at least gaining supporters. Failure to do so dooms a movement to fail.

BLM has friends and supporters. People all over the world have shown support and solidarity and BLM is going on 3 years strong. No one has forgotten their name.

 

[Vice]

I really respect and appreciate your responses. You're clearly well informed and capable of intelligent dialogue.

You're 100% right, but all of those things were primarily affecting racist institutions and areas and those that supported them to begin with. They were targeted.

I feel, that in a nation that has shown signs of racism in its police forces from the largest most liberal citiies like NY and San Francisco to small backwater towns in the mid-west that these racist insritutions still exist. If a city is willing to have a police for filled with officers who see black life as having little if any value then the city officials and institutions are as bad as any during the Jim Crow south.

 

[Mr. X]

I really respect and appreciate your responses. You're clearly well informed and capable of intelligent dialogue.

You're 100% right, but all of those things were primarily affecting racist institutions and areas and those that supported them to begin with. They were targeted.

And they are today since roads are controlled by the city, state or federal government that need to change these laws and policies and fund these racist institutions and pay these trigger happy cops. And if they stop people from traveling to work to make money or on their way to spend money, we are disrupting the economy.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

All movements should be about "making friends", or at least gaining supporters. Failure to do so dooms a movement to fail.

That said, again, I'm on your side.

We asked you before for examples of movements and acts that progressed us by trying to gain supporters.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

BLM has called for the death of cops on numerous occasions, in their marches. One of the founding members was inspired by a well known cop killer. Protesters were throwing rocks and rebar at cops just last night in St. Paul. They incite this violence.

BLM is a movement, not an organization. If what you choose to look at is the minimum of people that promote violence which is drown out by the large majority who do not promote violence that is your choice. But this whole BLM calls for the death of cops is legitimately false, a few tweets and selective youtube video does not disprove that.

And police officers showing up to peaceful protest in full riot gear pointing gun escalates situations. You are not going to get protests this large and charged to go smoothly when youre literally intimidating the protesters.

 

[Condom]

BLM has called for the death of cops on numerous occasions, in their marches. One of the founding members was inspired by a well known cop killer. Protesters were throwing rocks and rebar at cops just last night in St. Paul. They incite this violence.

Nah they are reacting to violence.

 

[BitStyle]

5 cops are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

The hell are you going on about?

This posted yet?

https://twitter.com/lizzkatherine_/status/752304872356057089

That scene is just...unreal

 

[Johnny]

Thousands of innocent black lives are dead because of cops and institutionalized racism, and many more are being killed every day.

Seriously, those five cops' deaths continue to show me the reality of America. Hundreds of innocent black lives taken by the cops, no one bats an eye, 5 white cops, BLM are disgusting/terrorists/a disgrace.

Also, if I recall, the shooter wasn't part of BLM, I believe he hated the peaceful way they're doing this.

Blacks are no more likely to die at the hands of police than Whites when you control for criminality. You're seeing racism where there is none.

Trayvon, Tamir, Sandra, Alton, Delrawn, Philando, Eric, Sean, Freddie, Michael, Walter, Jamar are dead and these losers still haven't had their fill? Disgusting.

All of those people were killed in racist blood lust like the cops, were they?

Their fill? I think they've had their fill of being terrorized by police officers due to the color of their skin. You need to step back and see that protesting injustice doesn't stop because some crazy person takes advantage of circumstances.

There is no injustice being enacted against Blacks in America by police, on average, when you control for things like criminality. You're pushing a faulty narrative that only incites violence.

I need more context before I decide to walk away from the screen. Please tell me you aren't saying what I think you're saying.

Feel free to walk away.

You're disgusting

Thanks.

No one wants more cops dead.

We want less deaths period.

And there have been thousands of blacks killed without justice.

Both or horrible - they are not mutually exclusive things to be against.

BUT.

One has power, government funding, and systematic support.

The other has been told to shutup, sit quiet, and wait ... for decades.

Plenty in the BLM want cops dead, they shout it in their marches. Police brutality is a real issue at times, but it needs to be addressed in an honest way. Not hijacked by Black supremacists and run of the mill losers who want a selfie for facebook.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

BLM has called for the death of cops on numerous occasions, in their marches. One of the founding members was inspired by a well known cop killer. Protesters were throwing rocks and rebar at cops just last night in St. Paul. They incite this violence.

They had it coming. I mean, sure, there's a huge institutionalized racism problem in American Law Enforcement which targets black people far more than whites and actively ends up killing those blacks over nothing, sometimes even for following their instructions, but they had it coming because cops risk their lives or some other nonsense.

Blacks are no more likely to die at the hands of police than Whites when you control for criminality. You're seeing racism where there is none.


All of those people were killed in racist blood lust like the cops, were they?


There is no injustice being enacted against Blacks in America by police, on average, when you control for things like criminality. You're pushing a faulty narrative that only incites violence.


Feel free to walk away.


Thanks.


Plenty in the BLM want cops dead, they shout it in their marches. Police brutality is a real issue at times, but it needs to be addressed in an honest way. Not hijacked by Black supremacists and run of the mill losers who want a selfie for facebook.

Oh, you're one of those people.

 

[Kitschkraft]

This posted yet?

https://twitter.com/lizzkatherine_/status/752304872356057089

Disgusting.

 

[Jonm1010]

This posted yet?

https://twitter.com/lizzkatherine_/status/752304872356057089

God I hate police around here. These guys are just itching for confrontation.

They aren't serving and protecting, they are antagonizing, intimidating and bullying.

Not to broad brush but of the handful of people I knew growing up that became part of the BRPD, not a one of them are people you would want to be cops.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

You're pushing a faulty narrative that only incites violence.

This was my favorite part.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

BLM has called for the death of cops on numerous occasions, in their marches. One of the founding members was inspired by a well known cop killer. Protesters were throwing rocks and rebar at cops just last night in St. Paul. They incite this violence.

BLM isn't an organization like the KKK. They're a movement and you're gonna get varying degree of supporters but the vast majority are peaceful protestors. Sure some are angry, but when your people are killed casually, you'd be angry too.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

There is no injustice being enacted against Blacks in America by police, on average, when you control for things like criminality. You're pushing a faulty narrative that only incites violence.

Ah a closet racist.

Never mind.

 

[Slayven]

Blacks are no more likely to die at the hands of police than Whites when you control for criminality. You're seeing racism where there is none.


All of those people were killed in racist blood lust like the cops, were they?


There is no injustice being enacted against Blacks in America by police, on average, when you control for things like criminality. You're pushing a faulty narrative that only incites violence.


Feel free to walk away.


Thanks.


Plenty in the BLM want cops dead, they shout it in their marches. Police brutality is a real issue at times, but it needs to be addressed in an honest way. Not hijacked by Black supremacists and run of the mill losers who want a selfie for facebook.

are you suggesting blacks are more prone to criminality than whites?

 

[Infinite]

Blacks are no more likely to die at the hands of police than Whites when you control for criminality. You're seeing racism where there is none.


All of those people were killed in racist blood lust like the cops, were they?


There is no injustice being enacted against Blacks in America by police, on average, when you control for things like criminality. You're pushing a faulty narrative that only incites violence.


Feel free to walk away.


Thanks.


Plenty in the BLM want cops dead, they shout it in their marches. Police brutality is a real issue at times, but it needs to be addressed in an honest way. Not hijacked by Black supremacists and run of the mill losers who want a selfie for facebook.

Nvm

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Johnny's one of those people that gets really mad over a few of his people dying, but he doesn't understand why anyone else would get really mad about so many more of those other people dying, or why saying this out loud makes him literally racist for seeing certain people as having lesser value to the world.

 

[Slayven]

Johnny's one of those people that gets really mad over a few of his people dying, but he doesn't understand why anyone else would get really mad about so many more of those other people dying, or why saying this out loud makes him literally racist for seeing certain people as having lesser value to the world.

These black losers should stop being criminals and then maybe they would be worth letting live

 

[Jmanunknown]

This MLK quote is meaningful today as when he wrote it in that jail cell in birmingham, alabama.

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

 

[TheOctodad]

Plenty in the BLM want cops dead, they shout it in their marches. Police brutality is a real issue at times, but it needs to be addressed in an honest way. Not hijacked by Black supremacists and run of the mill losers who want a selfie for facebook.

BLM is a movement, not an organization. Yes, some (very, very, few) black people have shouted for the deaths of cops.

Some (very, very, few) white people and cops have shouted for the deaths of black people. Would you like to see multiple links of cops on Facebook, twitter, and other news sources saying they would shoot more black people if they could? Because they are out there. But guess what? I don't apply that to most cops. I actually believe that most cops don't want to kill anyone and they are trying their best.

You are highlighting the minority extreme of one group and ignoring the minority extreme of the other.

BLM as a movement is about the systemic problem of racism that is embedded in our systems economically and judicially. These problems are not invalidated by an individual shouting something.

 

[Velcro Fly]

Was a pretty cool scene I saw posted on twitter of people on a bridge on I-40 in Memphis. Seemed organized and was just a powerful image.

 

[Mike M]

Ah a closet racist.

Never mind.

Closet?

 

[Jonm1010]

Blacks are no more likely to die at the hands of police than Whites when you control for criminality. You're seeing racism where there is none.


All of those people were killed in racist blood lust like the cops, were they?


There is no injustice being enacted against Blacks in America by police, on average, when you control for things like criminality. You're pushing a faulty narrative that only incites violence.


Feel free to walk away.


Thanks.


Plenty in the BLM want cops dead, they shout it in their marches. Police brutality is a real issue at times, but it needs to be addressed in an honest way. Not hijacked by Black supremacists and run of the mill losers who want a selfie for facebook.

hmm, seems you don't post much but when you do, it seems to be revolved around the same thing:

Why is the number of white male characters in games "troubling"?

Further pushing back against the notion the industry is white male dominated:

Do you not have examples in mind already? You seem to be starting off your research with a lot of assumptions, and then asking others to validate those assumptions by doing research for you, or worst, co-opting the arguments of others who share your assumptions, without crafting your own. It kind of defeats the purpose of the whole exercise.

On the issue of gender equality in games:

Gender equality already exists, in that developers target their product to whoever is willing to purchase it, regardless of gender. If women are willing to spend more money on video games, then more video games will be targeted towards women.

All of this "social justice" talk serves no purpose other than to fool those involved into thinking they've accomplished something. No one outside of the echo chamber is listening.

You seem to get riled up when people bring up equality or possible injustices. You have a reflexive disregard and strong distaste for it.

 

[TheOctodad]

They had it coming.

What? No. Let's cut that kind of talk out.

 

[Condom]

'Please leave me alone with my comfortable life and don't annoy me with your problems'

Of course he thinks BLM incites violence because his life was violence free before this, not knowing in what kind of reality other people are living every day

 

[EdibleKnife]

Blacks are no more likely to die at the hands of police than Whites when you control for criminality. You're seeing racism where there is none.

Ah the old "blacks are more likely to be criminal bs" that ignores racial profiling, the school to prison pipeline, stop and frisk and broken windows initiatives, and actual police training toward racial bias. But yeah fuck my whole race I guess. I hope people are paying attention because it's people like you that civil rights movements of all swaths are up against alot.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

No one outside of the echo chamber is listening.

This guy's great.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

What? No. Let's cut that kind of talk out.

I was basically summarizing the other guy's gibberish down to what it truly meant. I want to make it very clear I do not think or tolerate such crap.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Ah the old "blacks are more likely to be criminal bs" that ignores racial profiling, the school to prison pipeline, stop and frisk and broken windows initiatives, and actual police training toward racial bias. But yeah fuck my whole race I guess.

Well we are just a bunch of losers so what do we know?

 

[User1608]

I've been reading this thread... Johnny, I am disturbed at the implication you made about black people being more prone to violence.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

This is happening around Memphis right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXbuP19AWDM

 

[Johnny]

Gonna need you to break this down for me buddy.

Because it sounds like you're implying that the protesters are losers who are out for police blood.

Surely this isn't what you meant.

:e:


Oh. You're one of those people. Benefit of the doubt gone~

Many of them are obviously out for blood, they chant it in their marches, celebrate in the streets and on twitter when cops are murdered.

Hmm Did they kill cops is what I asked. If they didn't then I don't know what your point is. Also, you didn't answer my question about numbers games. How many more black people do you need to see dying on nation TV until you're satisfied that black people have an actual grievance.



BLM has friends and supporters. People all over the world have shown support and solidarity and BLM is going on 3 years strong. No one has forgotten their name.

I answered your question. BLM incites violence and racial hatred, if that doesn't bother you like it does me then we simply have different standards for our fellow man.

BLM is a movement, not an organization. If what you choose to look at is the minimum of people that promote violence which is drown out by the large majority who do not promote violence that is your choice. But this whole BLM calls for the death of cops is legitimately false, a few tweets and selective youtube video does not disprove that.

And police officers showing up to peaceful protest in full riot gear pointing gun escalates situations. You are not going to get protests this large and charged to go smoothly when youre literally intimidating the protesters.

I never claimed that every single individual marching in a BLM protest has called for the death of cops, but there are far too many. Whole processions at times. This isn't a peaceful movement by any stretch, and their grievances are based on unfounded, racist dogma.

Nah they are reacting to violence.

They're reacting to the paranoid and false narrative of racist White cops targeting innocent Black folk, when stats don't support that, and individual cases are few and far between.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Johnny you should talk to black people once.

 

[Breads]

These black losers should stop being criminals and then maybe they would be worth letting live

The deaths of innocent black people are just collateral damage for the control of criminality.

It's unfortunate but it's nothing to create a hashtag or assemble over. Can't offend the sensibilities of well to do folk with this uppity foolishness. We ought to be thanking police for their brave work really.

Many of them are obviously out for blood, they chant it in their marches, celebrate in the streets and on twitter when cops are murdered.

Oh I'm pretty sure you believe that considering where you got your talking points from. That's what happens when you aren't actually interested enough in the subject to sift through multiple sources of information yourself. I've heard the same chants and I've read the tweets. There are some unsavory folk out there. As there are anywhere.

And yet I somehow came to a different conclusion. Fancy that.

BLM has nothing to do with killing police or black supremacy but there is no trying to convince someone who doesn't have genuine interest in the pursuit of knowledge. You have an agenda and it isn't a well reasoned one and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Johnny you should talk to black people once.

And not just that one guy at the office that you call "one of the good ones".