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[Calvero]

Saw this on Twitter. (Mock-up, obviously.)

https://twitter.com/Mucrush/status/758475979689979904

so it's an add on for the Wii U?

Spoiler

:^)

 

[jroc74]

Hybrid, detachable controller, local multiplayer on the go with one console. Although I feel like every of these has been done before.

The thing is we would have to assume Sony and MS wanted to do a hybrid also.

MS is trying to get more into PC gaming and Sony is doing fine with PS4 sales.

I dont see Sony doing another handheld and MS has never even got in that market.

Sony seems to want to hold on to PS Now. I think both MS and Sony want to do game streaming, games as a service vs something like a hybrid.

If its other companies they are worried about.....like you said most of this has been done before to some extent (in smartphone land). The Shield could be connected to a TV ...

Maybe some controller thing like someone mentioned. But not the overall concept of the NX. Maybe the SCD.

 

[Dreamwriter]

For starters, this will be much cheaper. That $250 launch price slowed down a lot of the 3DS' momentum early on.

Not as much as you'd think. I think had Nintendo given the 3DS some great games at launch, people would have considered the $250 price worth it. Note that when they dropped the price, that did NOT improves sales hardly at all. It wasn't until they had released Zelda, Mario 3D World, and Mario Kart, that sales picked up to what you would expect from a Nintendo handheld. Wii U had the same problem - its price at launch wouldn't have been considered bad if Nintendo had launched it with some of their AAA franchises.

 

[Refreshment.01]

If the controls are detachable, those mockups can't.

You missed the point. XD It was about how you can change the traditional button arrangement in a controller using alternative technologies.

Anyway, another thing to consider is that when the device is in home console mode, the possible camera attached to the touch screen when sitting in the base could be used to track the detachable controles absolute position 1:1.

 

[Pittree]

Ok. One last mockup post. This time I played with the possibilites with the form factor and deattachable controllers. Hope it adds to the discussion.

I must say that after thinking a lot about the concept, something seems to be missing and as many have pointed there is a lot of things to figure out before an idea like dettachable controllers on a portable really becomes viable and appealing...however if any could come with a solution, that is Nintendo.

P,S. Thanks a lot for all the comments about the last mockup, that is what made me keep going.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

I don't want detachable nothin'

Make me use a dang controller when I'm home! Reason number ultimate is its inelegant and will ad bulk to the portable unit.


^Nice concept! Reminds me of the mini 8bitdo bluetooth controller.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Portable screen with carts and detachable controllers?

...VR not eliminated with this rumor.

 

[Dreamwriter]

Portable screen with detachable controllers?

...VR not eliminated with this rumor.

VR eliminated with Reggie saying Nintendo wasn't going to do any VR until after it had already gone mainstream.

In my judgment, I think VR is a bit further out there for mainstream, mass market applications and applications that consumers can invest a lot of time in versus short snacks of entertainment...For us, we want to make sure that technology is mainstream. We want to make sure the technology represents strong value to the consumer… So the way we look at VR or even AR… for us the technology has to be at a point where it can be mainstream, and then it takes content creating companies like us to really make things that the consumer wants to experience, that they want to jump into the particular technology.

 

[crazy monkey]

wii mote and nunchuk should be back. They can be attached to unit some how. Two wireless controller awesomeness.

 

[Dreamwriter]

wii mote and nunchuk should be back. They can be attached to unit some how. Two wireless controller awesomeness.

I assumed that's what the detachable controllers were.

 

[gafneo]

Not my point and that Wii remote is focused around you hitting that A button and back trigger and not much else unless you turn it sideways. In the design I quoted and pretty much most of the mockups they are putting the dpad and buttons way at the bottom, so if you are using these primarily then you're putting your thumbs at a horrible angle. The only way to get some relief would be to shift the device forward in your palms so your thumbs can be at a more natural position, but if you shift it forward you're also losing some of your ability to stabilize the device since you'll no longer have a grip where the entire device is resting in your palms. The Wii U controller layout was weird but at least they had the sense to not put the face buttons directly below the analog stick. They are offset for a reason. The thumb can naturally move to that position with little discomfort.

Nah, placement will mostly determine on how the width and weight is. The guy who made this image didn't say what it's dimensions were in the first place. Maybe the NX will have a backrest like the U. Maybe buttons will be in the r3 zone. I hold devices from the top, so this looks comfortable to me. I don't use face buttons when dual analog gaming either. Two sticks,plus shoulder buttons. If we are playing a shooter like Federation Force on a normal 2ds, only 1 circle pad is in use. We are not multitasking much because you have a choice between face or shoulders at the same time. Button mappings will make or break a relaxing hand rest.

 

[tr1p1ex]

VR eliminated with Reggie saying Nintendo wasn't going to do any VR until after it had already gone mainstream.

Originally Posted by Reggie

In my judgment, I think VR is a bit further out there for mainstream, mass market applications and applications that consumers can invest a lot of time in versus short snacks of entertainment...For us, we want to make sure that technology is mainstream. We want to make sure the technology represents strong value to the consumer… So the way we look at VR or even AR… for us the technology has to be at a point where it can be mainstream, and then it takes content creating companies like us to really make things that the consumer wants to experience, that they want to jump into the particular technology.

What Reggie said doesn't eliminate Nintendo from being the one to bring VR to mainstream.

 

[Snakeyes]

Ok. One last mockup post. This time I played with the possibilites with the form factor and deattachable controllers. Hope it adds to the discussion.

I must say that after thinking a lot about the concept, something seems to be missing and as many have pointed there is a lot of things to figure out before an idea like dettachable controllers on a portable really becomes viable and appealing...however if any could come with a solution, that is Nintendo.

P,S. Thanks a lot for all the comments about the last mockup, that is what made me keep going.

Looking good. Just put the controls a bit closer to each other and I think it could work pretty well.

Now I'm starting to wonder how this would look with a 16:10 display like on the Nvidia Shield.

 

[KingBroly]

What Reggie said doesn't eliminate Nintendo from being the one to bring VR to mainstream.

After 3DS not working out, I can't see them doing the same for VR

 

[ekurisona]

so it's an add on for the Wii U?

Spoiler

:^)

 

[OnFire331]

It's really disappointing if I see the NX as the console successor but it's actually exciting if I see it as the handheld successor. Wouldn't the Tegra X1 be a 100x jump in power from the 3DS?

 

[Hatty]

Ok, and how are those detachable pieces supposed to work standalone?

EDIT: That's also really big.

maybe like a Wii Remote and nunchuck but without the wire?

 

[Silent_Ocarina]

maybe like a Wii Remote and nunchuck but without the wire?

They're supposedly supposed to be standalone, so they would act as two separate and presumably identical devices. I'm super curious as to how this will work, man.

 

[Pittree]

Looking good. Just put the controls a bit closer to each other and I think it could work pretty well.

Now I'm starting to wonder how this would look with a 16:10 display like on the Nvidia Shield.

I placed the controllers as close as was possible without overlapping the screen while mantaining simmetry for them (for ergonomic and aesthetic purposes)

 

[Snakeyes]

I placed the controllers as close as was possible without overlapping the screen while mantaining simmetry for them (for ergonomic and aesthetic purposes)

Nah, I mean the buttons and sticks. They need to be closer to each other to be comfortable when connected to the tablet.

 

[AmyS]

Wouldn't the Tegra X1 be a 100x jump in power from the 3DS?

Yes, I think so.

106x

More if you consider Maxwell architecture is massively superior to that of PICA 200.

 

[anothertech]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of playing all Nintendo everything on one device.

Mobile, handheld, AAA console games all right there, taking it with me wherever I please. Sounds great.

Hope it looks and feels great too.

 

[gafneo]

I put a keychain on it, because why not?

 

[tr1p1ex]

After 3DS not working out, I can't see them doing the same for VR

Don't know what that means. Don't see the parallels.

It's not like you'd have the option of playing a game on the tv or on VR. I don't think that's the way it would work.

IT would be more like you'd get separate short VR experiences. Perhaps some would be packaged as additional modes in regular games.

Kind of like the Face RAiders game that comes on every 3ds.

 

[GodfatherX]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of playing all Nintendo everything on one device.

Mobile, handheld, AAA console games all right there, taking it with me wherever I please. Sounds great.

Hope it looks and feels great too.

agreed but also thats assuming things pan out that way when they streamline development.

ideally this would open up the possibility to see more variety in Nintendo's franchises, like instead of just a 3d zelda being made, we can get another new top down zelda, maybe a side scrolling metroid ( lol not happening), 3d mario games evolving that series, while also producing the mario 3d worlds/lands for the people that prefer those. The concern there is oversaturation and devaluing the brand, but if mario party doesnt do that, i dont see how a game in a franchise every 1.5 or so years with the aforementioned variances from game to game would.

 

[Übermatik]

I put a keychain on it, because why not?

That's waaaaaaay too small.

 

[Darryl]

with a dpad, stick, and at least two shoulder buttons you can play the majority of nintendo multiplayer games on them. anything that would've worked on an n64 at least.

with gyroscope and stuff, you could play pretty much everything. it's a genius design. they are gonna be small and annoying, but at home you can probably use a pro controller anyways

 

[tr1p1ex]

Yes, I think so.

106x

More if you consider Maxwell architecture is massively superior to that of PICA 200.

Not to say it isn't more powerful but you gotta compare apples to apples. YOu're quoting specs from the Android TV device which is plugged into a wall. Not from a handheld/tablet.

Plus the Nvidia specs are "peak" GFlops. It's still going to be quite a bit more powerful than a 3ds, but not this 100x more powerful.

 

[Gleethor]

Thinking on it more (and I'm sure this has been brought up), using the detachable controllers to achieve local multiplayer on one device is such a Nintendo idea. Hell, look at the original Famicom:

I'm sure they'll reference this design when NX is finally revealed. More than that though, this sort of self-contained local multiplayer handheld design is a thoughtful acknowledgement of the fact that not everyone (at least outside of Japan) has a dedicated gaming handheld on them at all times. It also helps to eliminate the image of a lone person completely absorbed in their mobile gaming device, not interacting with anyone else. It's a very Nintendo design philosophy and I think it makes way more sense than whatever the hell they thought Wii U was accomplishing.

 

[gafneo]

Not my point and that Wii remote is focused around you hitting that A button and back trigger and not much else unless you turn it sideways. In the design I quoted and pretty much most of the mockups they are putting the dpad and buttons way at the bottom, so if you are using these primarily then you're putting your thumbs at a horrible angle. The only way to get some relief would be to shift the device forward in your palms so your thumbs can be at a more natural position, but if you shift it forward you're also losing some of your ability to stabilize the device since you'll no longer have a grip where the entire device is resting in your palms. The Wii U controller layout was weird but at least they had the sense to not put the face buttons directly below the analog stick. They are offset for a reason. The thumb can naturally move to that position with little discomfort.

Left is the first look. Ride side is the tweaked. Maybe you like it now that it's closer?

 

[gafneo]

That's waaaaaaay too small.

But now you can connect it to your tongue ring and have mouth tracking. jk

 

[Snakeyes]

I'm sure they'll reference this design when NX is finally revealed. More than that though, this sort of self-contained local multiplayer handheld design is a thoughtful acknowledgement of the fact that not everyone (at least outside of Japan) has a dedicated gaming handheld on them at all times. It also helps to eliminate the image of a lone person completely absorbed in their mobile gaming device, not interacting with anyone else. It's a very Nintendo design philosophy and I think it makes way more sense than whatever the hell they thought Wii U was accomplishing.

This is a good observation. Remember Iwata's talks about the Alone Together book? Now granted, the Wii U was supposed to be a response to this, but the concept fell flat on its face. This could be them trying to address this perceived problem in a different way.

 

[gafneo]

This is a good observation. Remember Iwata's talks about the Alone Together book? Now granted, the Wii U was supposed to be response to this, but the concept fell flat on its face. This could be them trying to address this perceived problem in a different way.

I joke about that to my friends that play solo mobiles in the same room. Together Alone.
The U's lack of social chatting features, limited MP games, and abandonment of A symmetric gaming made that thing the Alienated Alone. Even Mario Maker rejected my hard levels. It then turned into, Alienated, Alone, and Shunned.

 

[Neoxon]

Here's SuperMetalDave/Trev's take on the whole leak.

 

[AmyS]

Here's SuperMetalDave/Trev's take on the whole leak.

Finally.

 

[John Harker]

So whose going to announce first, Nintendo or Sony?

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Here's SuperMetalDave/Trev's take on the whole leak.

He's been pushing this "controlled leak" nonsense on his twitter insisting that there has to be this supercharged AMD x86 console. It's hilariously sad to see him break down like this.

 

[lwilliams3]

Yes, I think so.

106x

More if you consider Maxwell architecture is massively superior to that of PICA 200.

Where is that image from? The clock speed for the 3DS' CPU is wrong. The original 3DS had two ARM11s @ 256Mhz. The N3DS has four ARM11s that can run up to 768Mhz.

EDIT: Oops, so that is suppose to be the GPU. That is still wrong though. The PICA200 in the 3DS/N3DS runs at 256MHz.

 

[Kurt]

So whose going to announce first, Nintendo or Sony?

You mean the hybrid solution, right?

 

[GifGafIsTheBestGaf]

does the Tegra X1 (or X2) support quick charge? that would be a GOAT feature to a handheld

 

[Prevolition]

I'm still hoping for a home console variant. All Tegra X1 demos look pretty janky to me. And I don't do much mobile gaming.

 

[NateDrake]

Here's SuperMetalDave/Trev's take on the whole leak.

Guy is out of his fucking mind. Claims 3DS Nvidia was fake, when it was a deal that fell apart after Nvidia failed to deliver on promises. But, sure, go ahead and use that to debunk Eurogamer. I'm glad he doubled-down and said Tegra will not be used, because he just sank himself with that statement when it is officially revealed to be the case. There is no x86 Nintendo console happening. Accept it.

So whose going to announce first, Nintendo or Sony?

Nintendo would be my bet.

 

[Neoxon]

Guy is out of his fucking mind. Claims 3DS Nvidia was fake, when it was a deal that fell apart after Nvidia failed to deliver on promises. But, sure, go ahead and use that to debunk Eurogamer. I'm glad he doubled-down and said Tegra will not be used, because he just sank himself with that statement when it is officially revealed to be the case.

To be fair to Trev, he did say that the Tegra in the 3DS was a placeholder. This could be the case for the actively-cooled X1 in the dev kit (though it could be just Nintendo waiting for the X2, but that remains to be seen). I'll keep my expectations at a minimum & will go with the X1 for now.

 

[AmyS]

Where is that image from? The clock speed for the 3DS' CPU is wrong. The original 3DS had two ARM11s @ 256Mhz. The N3DS has four ARM11s that can run up to 768Mhz.

EDIT: Oops, so that is suppose to be the GPU. That is still wrong though. The PICA200 in the 3DS/N3DS runs at 256MHz.

Here's the link. http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/

First one on google search for 3ds gflops. guess I should've searched more.

 

[NateDrake]

To be fair to Trev, he did say that the Tegra in the 3DS was a placeholder. This could be the case for the actively-cooled X1 in the dev kit (though it could be just Nintendo waiting for the X2, but that remains to be seen). I'll keep my expectations at a minimum & will go with the X1 for now.

It wasn't a placeholder for 3DS. It was going to be used, but Nvidia failed to deliver on promises and Nintendo had to make other plans. He then continued to go on to say with confidence that Tegra will not be in NX. Tegra is going to be there. Whether it is X1 or X2 is unknown right now, but Tegra is being used.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Guy is out of his fucking mind. Claims 3DS Nvidia was fake, when it was a deal that fell apart after Nvidia failed to deliver on promises. But, sure, go ahead and use that to debunk Eurogamer. I'm glad he doubled-down and said Tegra will not be used, because he just sank himself with that statement when it is officially revealed to be the case. There is no x86 Nintendo console happening. Accept it.


Nintendo would be my bet.

Unfortunate, he went from 80% believable to 10k%.

 

[Vena]

So whose going to announce first, Nintendo or Sony?

If Sept is genuine... then probably Nintendo.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Nintendo shouldn't have to resign themselves to the portable space like they're allegedly doing with the NX. They have too big of a war-chest for that. It's either an extremely powerful, on-the-go device, or an extremely dated console, maybe both. Point is, no one wants an overclocked WiiU for their home entertainment system and/or a battery seeping handheld with detachable controls. I'm sure that most people who are disappointed with this news are the nintendo fans looking for an online savvy, current gen console with a normal controller and at least some freaking attempt at courting Western 3rd party developers. This news shat all over that.

Whatever NX is, the big n wants to make it the jack of all trades and you know what that means if that's the case...

They shouldn't, but there's not much point in making dedicated home consoles just to appease a steadily declining fanbase. All of their home consoles have been profitable (maybe except the Wii U and the Virtual Boy, I don't know about those), but the home console market isn't a segment where they can expect to grow. Their best option really is the NX, as in a device that attempts to consolidate their handheld and home console business. It may not be quite what their fans want, but it is what Nintendo needs.

 

[Neoxon]

It wasn't a placeholder for 3DS. It was going to be used, but Nvidia failed to deliver on promises and Nintendo had to make other plans. He then continued to go on to say with confidence that Tegra will not be in NX. Tegra is going to be there. Whether it is X1 or X2 is unknown right now, but Tegra is being used.

While I'm on the subject of the Tegra (be it X1 or X2), wouldn't Nintendo need to modify it either way to fit their needs? It doesn't really fit Nintendo's MO to just plop a Tegra into their device & call it a day.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Unfortunate, he went from 80% believable to 10k%.

He was never believable in the first place. All of his predictions were wrong, the rumor he started about the NX in 2016 was wrong, and the only legit thing he did was leak out that marketing document and that ended up being pointless to us and extremely dangerous to release.

It's still weird people took him seriously in the first place.