Let me get this straight.
So Eurogamer, SemiAccurate, Wall Street Journal, MCV, Kotaku, IGN, and Emily Rogers are all part of this big giant conspiracy?
Edit: The video is not too bad, and he does make some reasonable points.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Let me get this straight.
So Eurogamer, SemiAccurate, Wall Street Journal, MCV, Kotaku, IGN, and Emily Rogers are all part of this big giant conspiracy?
Edit: The video is not too bad, and he does make some reasonable points.
AtlantiC_CodeX
Neo Member
I don't think it's related to the cpu itself.
Yes. It would be a custom Tegra X1/X2.
pixelation
Member
Pretty good post and certainly applies to me.
Who does Nic Cage play in this movie?
lwilliams3
Member
Yeah. Even the Wii U's GPU was internally very different from what was expected.
A lot of good points.
I'm late to seeing this, but dude, this is an amazing mockup and absolutely what I think they'll go with. So good! Kudos.
Bruh we don't even know what it is still
lwilliams3
Member
Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying, Amy. It is unfortunate that the page have quite a few inaccurate numbers.
darkistheway
Member
Iwata
Still like the dude and even though I don't agree with all the points (Tegra stuff/controlled leak) I still have this weird feeling that the NX isn't just this
I dunno, everything about this seemed off.
KelpPlankton
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Every mockup I see has the two detachable side-controllers be different from one another. Why would they be different from one another?
I think that's causing a lot of the theoretical layout/ergonomics problems people are imagining with these things. The two controllers that detach would likely be identical, meaning their orientation is going to be the opposite of one another. Left side with the thumbstick on top and buttons on bottom, right side with buttons on top and thumbstick on bottom. Much more comfortable, and also saves them from creating two different controller models because they'd only have to make one.
I think that's causing a lot of the theoretical layout/ergonomics problems people are imagining with these things. The two controllers that detach would likely be identical, meaning their orientation is going to be the opposite of one another. Left side with the thumbstick on top and buttons on bottom, right side with buttons on top and thumbstick on bottom. Much more comfortable, and also saves them from creating two different controller models because they'd only have to make one.
This looks fantastic. Do you envision shoulder buttons on this, though?Ok. One last mockup post. This time I played with the possibilites with the form factor and deattachable controllers. Hope it adds to the discussion.
I must say that after thinking a lot about the concept, something seems to be missing and as many have pointed there is a lot of things to figure out before an idea like dettachable controllers on a portable really becomes viable and appealing...however if any could come with a solution, that is Nintendo.
P,S. Thanks a lot for all the comments about the last mockup, that is what made me keep going.
Picture this:
Let's take one of the detached pads and say there are shoulder buttons on top. Let's say that the top side, with the shoulder buttons, is the side that attaches to the tablet. This is a good way to conceal the shoulder buttons inside the tablet, so that you're not accidentally pressing them when holding the tablet with the pads attached.
For this to work, though, I think the controls on the right side of the tablet would need to be flipped so that the buttons are on top and the circle pad is down below, like a GCN controller. That way the pads are symmetrical in design when detached. The left pad's top is on the right, and the right pad's top is on the left.
Do you think you could tweak your image so that the individual pads have shoulder buttons, and so that the controls on the right side are flipped?
But then the question remains: Where will the shoulder buttons be when the pads are attached to the tablet? I don't foresee Nintendo dropping shoulder buttons... or triggers, for that matter — too integral to games like Splatoon. There need to be enough buttons to play Breath of the Wild. Currently, the WiiU version of the game uses every button.
If the shoulder buttons/triggers were on the top (when the pads are attached) that means they'd be on the sides of the pad when detached. This seems problematic, insofar as your palms would be squeezing them when holding a pad in its detached state. They could be inoperable in that state, but it wouldn't feel very comfortable to have the buttons/triggers squeezing against your palm.
I think you're onto the right idea, but I'm still trying to figure out how they reconcile shoulder buttons and triggers with this thing so that the functionality is there in both the "together" and "apart" state.
At some points I'm inclined to believe him.
At other times I'm not sure.
Man let's just all sit down and wait for September. Something doesn't add up here.
ShockingAlberto
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The NX? At this point I feel like Sony is more likely to reveal the damn thing than Nintendo.
Jorok Goldblade
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Tried my hand at a mockup.
The controllers are the width of a Wii remote and 75% of the length.
The controllers are the width of a Wii remote and 75% of the length.
Relaxed Muscle
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What dosn't add exactly? I saw this comment several times and don't know what people refers to.
Seems to me that people can't deal with the fact that Nintendo is sidestepping from the traditional console market rather than legitimate issues with a hardware that makes total sense in the actual console market and Nintendo's current situation.
Seems to me that people can't deal with the fact that Nintendo is sidestepping from the traditional console market rather than legitimate issues with a hardware that makes total sense in the actual console market and Nintendo's current situation.
Dagobert Duck
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Thats what I thought when I read the question...now that its out what it is (somehow) Playstation NX announcement is imminent...
I really don't think the NX is going to have two full controllers on each unit. Could you do 2-player mini-games with the two halves? Probably, but you aren't going to be playing games like BotW with a single tiny controller. And it would be dumb for Nintendo to design the controller based on that usage instead of the normal one.
Dark Cloud
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SuperMetalDave should relax. Dude is going to be in a depression when NX is revealed and it's not what he keeps thinking it is in his mind. He's going delusional it feels like. I'm sure there's more to the NX, but man...
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
If this thing has two controllers on the side that detach and use individually I will drink a gallon of milk. I just think its too stupid to be real
Of course there is more to it. We only have basic details right now that allow for a general idea of the core concept.
Dark Cloud
Member
Tbh I agree with you. I know I've said this, but nobody has come up with any concept art that looks remotely good in terms of design with them attached to the screen and with them not attached to the screen. There's something MISSING for sure that we don't know about when it comes to these controls. Or the whole thing is wrong and it will look different.
I know. We won't know everything until NX is revealed.
While they might be able to be used that way for some games/mini-games (simple ones,) I get the impression that they detach to operate like either wiimote+nunchuck or as a normal full gamepad (via a spacer or something.)
This would give the device WiiU Gamepad functionality, Wiimote functionality, and Pro controller functionality all in one.
There is also talk of mobile gaming compatibility, and it's possible that the "controller lite" halves could be used as superior controls for mobile games rather than using having a touchscreen be the only control type. These parts can communicate with other devices/SCDs right? Maybe with a Nintendo app on your smarrtphone you can control Ninty mobile games with those.
Wasn't he the guy that leaked the wii u budget and game code names earlier this year?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
It still just seem stupid to me.. like why you gonna do that? I was team hybrid before now im team "no detachable controllerS) It might have 1 perfect detachable controller but thats it. Yall keep ignoring the goddamn falco gif but just wait til they reveal it. I promise yall I will be VINDICATED again!!
I have a Nvidia Shield tablet, K1. It ran some games gorgeously, like Trine 2 and the TellTale games. I thought some of them looked about as good if not better than games I owned for Wii U, and just as good as they did on PC running at 1080p (when applicable). So looking at the specs of the X1, if it's merely just as good as what's in the Pixel C, this should be fine for the kinds of games Nintendo typically puts out.
I suppose Nintendo would hope it sells about as well as the 3DS and has a high attach rate. Personally, if it's priced at $199.99 - $249.99 with software units going for $39.99 - $49.99, I'd pick it up and probably purchase more games for it than I do at $60 for my PS4. If they get the marketing right and have titles people actually want to play it has to sell better than the Wii U. I hope so, at least.
I suppose Nintendo would hope it sells about as well as the 3DS and has a high attach rate. Personally, if it's priced at $199.99 - $249.99 with software units going for $39.99 - $49.99, I'd pick it up and probably purchase more games for it than I do at $60 for my PS4. If they get the marketing right and have titles people actually want to play it has to sell better than the Wii U. I hope so, at least.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
If this thing has a controller that looks like a remote I will drink a gallon of milk. I just think its too stupid to be real.
If this thing has two screens I will drink a gallon of milk. I just think its too stupid to be real.
If this thing has a tablet controller I will drink a gallon of milk. I just think its too stupid to be real
If this thing has a glasses free 3D display I will drink a gallon of milk. I just think its too stupid to be real
Why are you doubting this? They've been doing this kind of thing for over a decade now. Is this seriously not believable?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Pretty interesting take. Never thought that much into it... Then again, I didn't care to. Still a cool take though. Not hating.
civilstrife
Member
Tried my hand at a mockup.
The controllers are the width of a Wii remote and 75% of the length.
Great mockup. The only thing I'd add is real analogue sticks. Otherwise I think it's spot on and pretty much what I hope it ends up being.
Also I hope those half controllers can be used for motion gaming and/or IR pointing.
hawt
I came up with an idea of how to implement shoulder buttons (L/R) for both configurations while mantaining symmetry and ergonomics by adding a protective rim around the unit wich would hide the buttons and obviously protect the system from falls. I would like to know your opinion about it. And man, what a ride! We are pretty much designing a system now and I am willing to bet NX it is going to end up being nothing like it.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Damn it, this is too good. I'm already disappointed in advance that Nintendo's own solution won't be nearly as ergonomically sound
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
It's plenty feasible. Those controllers are probably connected via bluetooth or something.
Wow. Amazing mock up. Really good work.
But seem it like that, It gets me thinking. Both controllers need a battery each as the display. Would it have 3 micro usb? Wouldn't the batteries dies fast with a speaker for each controller?
And I'm torn about the controllers. Logically it must be thin, but, I would like some grip as the Wii U controller.
Edit: If they go with AA batteries(not likely), the controllers would have a grip.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
I'm guessing Neo and NX will be revealed in the same month.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
My problem with it is that it doesn't have a d-pad and it's probably a Wii-style split controller setup, not two separate controllers.
Panajev2001a
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I do not know, the only console where they competed on equal fronts without tying their own arms behind their backs was the SNES. Either massive specs differences compared to the competition or choices like the N64 Dream Team + really harsh third party developer relations + carts vs cd's and the GameCube launching late against the PS2 + the choice of custom mini discs without offering people DVD playback making developer' lives more difficult than strictly necessary and not offering a popular user feature (although the rest of the HW was quite on the easy to program for side).
I think it was fair to hope for an SNES2 kind of philosophy for once, but in the big scheme of things what you said make sense too if Nintendo sees their place in the home console market that hopeless or is unwilling to compete on similar terms.
AtlantiC_CodeX
Neo Member
So i got carried away and ended up making a poster for September, just gonna leave it here...
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I dont care how its connected, thats fine. I just dont think the design and structure is feasible.
So you are removing and adding additional hardware to the device several times.. that just feels like it can be damaged one way or another or lost. It doesnt seem convient as described on paper.
People already have problems buying a new wii u gamepad if they broke or lost theirs. Will Nintendo really have extra "detachable" controllers in store if they are packaged with the device? How can you sell that?
Sales Associate: "So yes this is the NX. It comes packaged with 2 detachable controllers. Touch screen tablet and handy dock for connecting to your TV when you want to play your games in HD on the big screen."
Situation 1:
Customer: Nice! *Sees extra detachable controllers in isle* What are these for?
SA: Well these are extra controllers in case you lose or accidently damage your controllers.
Customer: They can break? What are the chances of them breaking?
END
Situation 2:
Customer: What happens if I lose or my controllers break?
SA: Well you would have to contact Nintendo and let them know what happened so you can custom order brand new controllers.
Customer: Ummm.,
END
See what im saying? Thats some Wii U bs right there that Nintendo havent run into until the Wii U and potentially this idea. Before they had extra controllers because the console supported it for a reason. This idea of NX and detachable controllers, sounds very anti-consumer. It comes with 2 controllers because of the design but there is a mental barrier for consumers when they come across an idea like this.
edit: Thats another thing.. Batteries!!! Are yoy really gonna have 2 devices with seperate batteries inside them and then a battery in the tablet itself. Just way too much fluff.
AtlantiC_CodeX
Neo Member
Could this be it?
HandsomeCharles
Member
Could this be it?
No, that's just a generic copyright-free tablet image.
Could this be it?
Snack World is confirmed for iOS/Android and 3DS in case you're wondering.
Eh, depending on when Nintendo's rumoured September event is, we could have both NX and PS4 Neo unveilings in the span of one week, especially if NX is unveiled at the beginning of September. That would be wild.
EDIT: I mean, that is if Sony decides to unveil it at TGS.
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