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[Audioboxer]

all the molyneux comparisons are making me worried for the centre of the universe. remember curiosity and the centre of the cube?

They're probably patching in a giant Crackachu as meme potential would make the haters excited on messageboards for long enough to mask the innevitable disappointment.

I'm away to tell Sean to do this.

 

[SomTervo]

yeah, he's never made a game anywhere near as good as those guys have.

You've played NMS then yeah? It's nowhere near as good as their games - it's stratospherically better.

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Being facetious here myself - I've enjoyed all of Molyneux and Wright's games but their newer output honestly isn't as good as NMS (albeit just as ambitious) and more importantly the extent to which they overhyped and oversold their games is on a whole nother level from Murray. He's just not comparable on that metric.

If he's misinformed, that's only because of Sean...

Spoiler

It's a joke...

Well played.

 

[colinp]

Just don't care at this point mate. Molyneux and Wright wrote their games up as a pair of massive, expansive experiences that would give players loads of cool features. They weren't massive, or expansive, and the majority of the features didn't come to fruition or were painfully toned down. Murray wrote his game up as a massive expansive experience that would give the player loads of cool features. It is massive, expansive, and 90% of the features he talked about are in the game.

Yes, he has misrepresented a couple of features of his product (multiplayer and universe simulation), absolutely, and that's bad, and he should own up to it, but it's nothing on the level of Molyneux/Wright.



Sorry to break it to you - you don't deserve anything. The world doesn't owe you anything. Far worse people than Murray get away with far worse things every second of every day.

Entitlement-entitlementeverywhere.gif



I've seen a lot of pretty cool interaction in the game (food chains, stand offs, flights, her movement) but admittedly I haven't seen creatures eat anything else. Which is really diasappointing. Hopefully it's not hard for them to patch in.



This is so true, too. You have to realise that they're people who wake up in the morning at home, go to an office, work hard, then go home in the evening. They're just humans. If there was some massive international gaffe at your workplace would you be expected to, personally, be contacting all your contacts/customers/whathaveyou within two days to respond?

It would definitely be good to have some words from Sean about it and every half-day that goes by makes the whole thing more and more tenuous, but we are all getting riled up within 72 hours here.

Ahahaha you keep saying you're finished with the thread and going to play NMS and then keep coming back... Something magnetic about his thread, eh?

Don't worry, I can't stop reading it either.

 

[Liamc723]

It would definitely be good to have some words from Sean about it and every half-day that goes by makes the whole thing more and more tenuous, but we are all getting riled up within 72 hours here.

So? 72 hours is a long time. It takes all of 1 minute to send out a string of tweets to clear up the situation.

 

[Necromanti]

Thank you Mango, but you can't deny it is problematic that they're on record confirming a handful of features (multiple times even) which aren't in the game

Sean definitely said a lot more about what was (supposedly) in the game than I had remembered. Saying that finding other players was rare (rather than it being outright physically impossible) was indeed deceptive. I wonder how much more development time they would have needed to come close to what they wanted.

So? 72 hours is a long time. It takes all of 1 minute to send out a string of tweets to clear up the situation.

Maybe they're in a desperate strait of crunch time and working on adding something as a stopgap through a patch to soften the blow before they address their customers.

 

[Jonnax]

Todd Howard made a career about promising things that never materialised and he's revered on the same level as Miyamoto by some.

 

[SomTervo]

Ahahaha you keep saying you're finished with the thread and going to play NMS and then keep coming back... Something magnetic about his thread, eh?

Don't worry, I can't stop reading it either.

It's the second level of hell

I'll be here forever

( ._.)

 

[Froli]

Wait, there's no player model?!?

So far everything seems leading to this conclusion.
Why did they do this? it's pretty smart if you ask me lol. Save's a lot of time, work and budget.

 

[KingSnake]

Since you haven't experienced this for yourself then I guess your opinion is a fucking joke

Using a smiley at the end doesn't make it less rude.

 

[flkraven]

Lol "entitlement"

 

[Heavy_D206]

The premise of the game is space expolaration.
The star, as you may be aware, is probably the third most important thing in space after the big bang and gravity (ignoring the stuff happening right before the big bang).
It doesn't matter that you can't land on it, or get close to it without dying, it's still a necessary component in a space exploration game.

I'm just going based on the footage of the game I SAW before the game released.

Everything that I saw is available in the full game and the size and scope of the glatatic map is larger than any game I've ever seen before.

I really can't ask for any more than that.

 

[lastplayed]

all the molyneux comparisons are making me worried for the centre of the universe. remember curiosity and the centre of the cube?

You know what's at the centre of the galaxy?

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[brau]

If by binary system you mean 2 planets the same size next to eachother, there's a screen of something like that in the NMS screenshot topic I think.



I'm pretty sure they always hinted at MP being P2P/Lobby based so it makes sense that you can pause the game if you're going solo. That's how a lot of games do it when there's currently no P2P session going on.

Yea. this would make a lot more sense. I guess i was stuck thinking of it more like an MMO.

 

[Caayn]

lol yep.

Hello beautiful. I think a quintuple star system is the largest I managed to stumble upon so far.

 

[Exploratory]

If people ever complain about why we get 12 Assassins Creeds, 7 Halos, 4 Uncharteds, 8 Forzas, 15 CoD, 4 God of Wars, 15+ Final Fantasies just point them to this thread. Because when someone actually comes up with something relatively different the internet just shits on it completely. They nitpick every single thing instead of enjoying the game.

Note to self never create something for people to enjoy.

People shit on a lot of those games too.

 

[Liamc723]

.Maybe they're in a desperate strait of crunch time and working on adding something as a stopgap through a patch to soften the blow before they address their customers.

As I said, it takes all of 1 minute. There isn't an excuse.

 

[Brashnir]

You've played NMS then yeah? It's nowhere near as good as their games - it's stratospherically better.

Spoiler

Being facetious here myself - I've enjoyed all of Molyneux and Wright's games but their newer output honestly isn't as good as NMS (albeit just as ambitious) and more importantly the extent to which they overhyped and oversold their games is on a whole nother level from Murray. He's just not comparable on that metric.

I'm just having a laugh, really, but given the pedigree of Molyneux and Wright, I feel pretty comfortable with the statement nonetheless. Those guys made some stinkers too, but I mean, we're talking about games like Sim City, Populous, Syndicate... legitimate all-time greats.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Sorry to break it to you - you don't deserve anything. The world doesn't owe you anything. Far worse people than Murray get away with far worse things every second of every day.

Oh, ok, well I guess I will go out and lie to people and sell them stuff that isn't what I tell them it is. I will become rich and there isn't anything anyone can do about it because I don't owe them or anyone else an explanation or anything... They can't arrest me either because they aren't owed justice.

I hate this argument. Bad people exist and get away with stuff so it's ok to do what they do as long as you aren't as bad as the worst... I can't believe that is the kind of world you want to live in.

I'm not even saying that that is what Sean is trying to do, but it's getting harder and harder to defend with his silence, especially while they are raking in the dough.

 

[Klyka]

It's the second level of hell

I'll be here forever

( ._.)

At least you don't have to recharge your posting meter every 2 posts

 

[SomTervo]

Sean definitely said a lot more about what was (supposedly) in the game than I had remembered. Saying that finding other players was rare (rather than it being outright physically impossible) was indeed deceptive. I wonder how much more development time they would have needed to come close to what they wanted.

I think almost everything he said was in the game is in the game and I've been following it vehemently. Honestly after my 20+ hours with the game the only things apparently not in it are the multiplayer presence (which is impossible to test anyway due to servers) and the real-time flight/presence of sun/distant star systems. Nothing else anyone has mentioned has been true of my experience.

The good thing about interconnected gaming nowadays is that the game has all the time it needs to become what they want it. They're on record saying they want to follow the Minecraft model of substantial content updates 2+ times per year. They already delivered with the day one update and have given a hint at the roadmap for the second.

So? 72 hours is a long time. It takes all of 1 minute to send out a string of tweets to clear up the situation.

It does, but my point was that we don't know how many tens of other very important things they're also trying to juggle. These GAF and Reddit threads are probably a storm in a teacup compared to the entire dinner table of the playerbase and they are stil trying to run an office at the same time.

It'll be very interesting to see how it pans out, i.e. when/

Spoiler

if

they confirm or deny features like player-presence.

 

[texhnolyze]

Wait, there's no player model?!?

I believe this will be revealed after PC version is out.

Not by the devs, by the way, but by the modders.

 

[Furio53]

As I said, it takes all of 1 minute. There isn't an excuse.

yeah it takes all of 1 minute. Then you have the inevitable shit storm of more questions no matter what your answer is. I've seen this on both sides of the table. It's a no win situation for them.

 

[Audioboxer]

Oh, ok, well I guess I will go out and lie to people and sell them stuff that isn't what I tell them it is. I will become rich and there isn't anything anyone can do about it because I don't owe them or anyone else an explanation or anything... They can't arrest me either because they aren't owed justice.

I hate this argument. Bad people exist and get away with stuff so it's ok to do what they do as long as you aren't as bad as the worst... I can't believe that is the kind of world you want to live in.

I'm not even saying that that is what Sean is trying to do, but it's getting harder and harder to defend with his silence, especially while they are raking in the dough.

Probably having to carefully curate a response with Sony folks (part of their own doing for wanting Sony backing).

Someone at Hello Games should contact TmarTn for how to deliver an apology when you mislead.

 

[Necromanti]

As I said, it takes all of 1 minute. There isn't an excuse.

Of course there isn't. It's very self-serving. But that's probably their rationale (along with coordinating what to say with Sony).

 

[mike6467]

Probably having to carefully curate a response with Sony folks.

Someone at Hello Games should contact TmarTn for how to deliver an apology when you mislead.

I want to see Sean's face on the dog picture.

EDIT: With Crackachu pasted onto the dog.

 

[watershed]

So the question is finally settled right? No more guessing or dodging, you can't meet other players, simple as that?

 

[SomTervo]

Oh, ok, well I guess I will go out and lie to people and sell them stuff that isn't what I tell them it is. I will become rich and there isn't anything anyone can do about it because I don't owe them or anyone else an explanation or anything... They can't arrest me either because they aren't owed justice.

I hate this argument. Bad people exist and get away with stuff so it's ok to do what they do as long as you aren't as bad as the worst... I can't believe that is the kind of world you want to live in.

Of course I don't want to live in a world like that. My post was pointing out the hypocrisy here. That you, along with many, have grabbed your pitchforks and traipsed digitally to Hello Games' door when really, in the big scheme of things, this is no fucking biggie and you take far worse things lying down. (I'm not saying their behaviour isn't problematic but I'm trying to put it in perspective.)

I'm not even saying that that is what Sean is trying to do, but it's getting harder and harder to defend with his silence, especially while they are raking in the dough.

I agree with this, but it's not the message you were pushing previously.

I'm just having a laugh, really, but given the pedigree of Molyneux and Wright, I feel pretty comfortable with the statement nonetheless. Those guys made some stinkers, but I mean, we're talking about games like Sim City, Populous, Syndicate... legitimate all-time greats.

I know man - and I love those games - but No Man's Sky has been out for two days and nobody has even finished it yet. We have to see how time treats it. Right now it gets a 9/10 from me - I think it's better than Populous, but I don't know about Sim City or The Sims yet.

It's early goddamn days!

So the question is finally settled right? No more guessing or dodging, you can't meet other players, simple as that?

It's not really settled, no.

 

[Supermanisdead]

They're probably patching in a giant Crackachu as meme potential would make the haters excited on messageboards for long enough to mask the innevitable disappointment.

I'm away to tell Sean to do this.

crackachu might be the only thing true in this game after all

 

[demigod]

Any updates yet from Sean? Hello........hello......hello games?

 

[etta]

So far everything seems leading to this conclusion.
Why did they do this? it's pretty smart if you ask me lol. Save's a lot of time, work and budget.

I don't think a simple model would take a lot of budget to design and animate...

I believe this will be revealed after PC version is out.

Not by the devs, by the way, but by the modders.

Isn't the Steam pre-load out already?

 

[SomTervo]

I believe this will be revealed after PC version is out.

Not by the devs, by the way, but by the modders.

There are loads of moments in the game where the camera pulls away from your body and there's nothing there.

You also have no feet.

You're just a floating camera and gun.

There is no player model from the player's POV.

Unless you mean by looking through game files? Yeah, that makes more sense haha

 

[Brashnir]

Isn't the Steam pre-load out already?

Not available for pre-load as far as I know.

 

[shintoki]

I really wish the Molyneux and Wright comparisons would stop coming up. They actually had great games under their belt, so there was a logical basis for the argument.

 

[Envelope]

This is so true, too. You have to realise that they're people who wake up in the morning at home, go to an office, work hard, then go home in the evening. They're just humans. If there was some massive international gaffe at your workplace would you be expected to, personally, be contacting all your contacts/customers/whathaveyou within two days to respond?

if you're the boss 100% yes? are you actually serious?

 

[Tagyhag]

yeah it takes all of 1 minute. Then you have the inevitable shit storm of more questions no matter what your answer is. I've seen this on both sides of the table. It's a no win situation for them.

Staying silent forever isn't the solution. People won't forget.

 

[thecouncil]

For people that say this is an "easter egg", an easter egg is something I can find. If someone tells me they hid one and I search for hours to find out they really didn't hide it, I'd be pretty pissed.

That being said, Sean wouldn't lie, so I'm pretty confused right now.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

if you're the boss 100% yes? are you actually serious?

They're indies. You just don't understand

 

[Liamc723]

yeah it takes all of 1 minute. Then you have the inevitable shit storm of more questions no matter what your answer is. I've seen this on both sides of the table. It's a no win situation for them.

It would be much worse for them to stay silent though.

That being said, Sean wouldn't lie, so I'm pretty confused right now.

Why wouldn't he?

 

[Audioboxer]

Staying silent is the solution when Sony are probably telling you to. You don't want the journalists printing the "NMS developer apologises for cut content" headline before the game makes as much bank as possible.

Bit of a sobering dealwithit moment. HG rolled that dice and made that "deal with the devil" when they accepted Sony doing marketing hustle on this.

If HG had remained fully independent? Yeah... I'd be expecting Sean to have cracked by now if he has any guilt for misleading.

 

[Supermanisdead]

yeah it takes all of 1 minute. Then you have the inevitable shit storm of more questions no matter what your answer is. I've seen this on both sides of the table. It's a no win situation for them.

it's a no win situation staying silent. probably worse tbh.

 

[gossi]

This isn't news, but for those who missed it;

 

[Mad Season]

So is this multiplayer shit storm only limited to gaf or is it hitting mainstream gaming sites?

 

[Envelope]

This isn't news, but for those who missed it;

no Sean, we didn't ~*imagine*~ you saying those things, no matter how cute~ teehee~ i'm just a little silly indie dev~~~~ you try to be.

 

[Supermanisdead]

we imagined the multiplayer ;;;;;;

 

[Audioboxer]

So is this multiplayer shit storm only limited to gaf or is it hitting mainstream gaming sites?

Radio silence will be an effort to try and contain it to enthusiast gaming forums, and reddit.

Once the reasons start being plastered all over twitter and FB that has some potential to impact sales.

 

[mike6467]

Staying silent is the solution when Sony are probably telling you to. You don't want the journalists printing the "NMS developer apologises for cut content" headline before the game makes as much bank as possible.

Bit of a dealwithit moment. HG rolled that dice and made that "deal with the devil" when they accepted Sony doing marketing hustle on this.

This is what I see and I'm surprised so many people think this campaign isn't being carefully watched by Sony to make sure they get the most sales with the least backlash. I mean, these are gigantic companies that carefully study trends and consumer behavior, I know they want to give the impression that it's all Sean and his team, but I really have a hard time seeing that, given how much money is involved.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

-Snip-

 

[KingSnake]

This isn't news, but for those who missed it;

Is this a new text?

 

[gossi]

So is this multiplayer shit storm only limited to gaf or is it hitting mainstream gaming sites?

I've seen it mentioned on Eurogamer and Game Informer. However, they're taking Sean's tweets at face value and saying it is down to server load basically. (Again, I should state I really like the game and this is not a slam at anybody).

I do think 99% of the playbase probably only saw a trailer and probably don't even know anything about it or expect multiplayer. It was only really if you watched every single interview you maybe saw something about it, which isn't almost everybody.

 

[thecouncil]

They're indies. You just don't understand

Exactly. These guys aren't your typical mainstream corrupt company. They're just getting their feet wet and don't understand the industry like we do. Everyone needs to give them a break. Please. They're trying their hardest and I love them for that.