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Rumour: New PSP like device is in dev. / PS4 Neo weighs 10lbs / 3cm thicker than PS4

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I think it's the vita 3000 model.

What would be the point in creating a new model when the retail presence in NA is dried up? Stores are clearing out shelf space for upcoming Neo/XB1 slim/NX, not another Vita model that wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before. I'd like a new model myself, bring back the OLED( the tech has improved since the OG Vita), mini-usb, 16gb internal storage and mini-SD support( LOL.....right) but practically I can't see how or why Sony would be investing money in an improved Vita, or a 3rd portable in general. The ship left port ages ago.
 

MilkyJoe

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Think of a handheld with full support of (digital) PS4 games (just downscaled to 720p)... I mean, how expensive could a Sony memory card big enough for Uncharted 4, Diablo 3 and some other stuff be?

It's 2016, that sort of money doesn't exist...

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BitStyle

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At most the handheld is a vita revision. I don't see them coming out with a new handheld.

It's most likely some other device unrelated to Sony.
 

TrutaS

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If it's a portable I'm expecting either a device that streams Ps4 games like the Wii U, or/and a device that streams from PS Now. So not a fully fledged new console.

That's my bet anyway.
 

10k

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What would be the point in creating a new model when the retail presence in NA is dried up? Stores are clearing out shelf space for upcoming Neo/XB1 slim/NX, not another Vita model that wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before. I'd like a new model myself, bring back the OLED( the tech has improved since the OG Vita), mini-usb, 16gb internal storage and mini-SD support( LOL.....right) but practically I can't see how or why Sony would be investing money in an improved Vita, or a 3rd portable in general. The ship left port ages ago.
Maybe to hit the $150 price point and be profitable?

I'm just guessing anyways.
 

PrimeRib_

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I can see this making sense if Sony is serious about thwarting Nintendo's attempt at disruption with NX. The Vita didn't catch on so well in the West with original content from 3rd party studios. Perhaps if they could release an updated version of the Vita with L2/R2 triggers, that streamed PS4 content at 720p with little to no lag, then it starts to make sense. Depends on hardware costs though.

Don't discount how Sony and Microsoft respect Nintendo's approach to disruption. Both Sony and Microsoft both were touting the PS4/Xbone ability to stream to other devices (Vita, tablet) when the Wii U came out with its handheld controller. For this reason, Sony could be privy to trying to include a new Vita for this gen revision for that very reason.
 
I can see this making sense if Sony is serious about thwarting Nintendo's attempt at disruption with NX. The Vita didn't catch on so well in the West with original content from 3rd party studios. Perhaps if they could release an updated version of the Vita with L2/R2 triggers, that streamed PS4 content at 720p with little to no lag, then it starts to make sense. Depends on hardware costs though.

Don't discount how Sony and Microsoft respect Nintendo's approach to disruption. Both Sony and Microsoft both were touting the PS4/Xbone ability to stream to other devices (Vita, tablet) when the Wii U came out with its handheld controller. For this reason, Sony could be privy to trying to include a new Vita for this gen revision for that very reason.

The only way I can see Sony even attempting another stab at the portable market would be a device that offers portable VR as its hook, since they're investing alot in that medium. I doubt creating a more powerful streaming device is going to be worth their while.
 
has the vita been profitable for sony over its lifetime? if not, do we know what kind of losses sony incurred?

From what I understand the unit has been profitable for a few years now. I can't imagine Sony keeping it on the market for 4 1/2 years if they were still losing money on it, if ever,
 
What would be the point in creating a new model when the retail presence in NA is dried up? Stores are clearing out shelf space for upcoming Neo/XB1 slim/NX, not another Vita model that wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before. I'd like a new model myself, bring back the OLED( the tech has improved since the OG Vita), mini-usb, 16gb internal storage and mini-SD support( LOL.....right) but practically I can't see how or why Sony would be investing money in an improved Vita, or a 3rd portable in general. The ship left port ages ago.

It would obviously be aimed at Japan :p
 

kingwingin

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Id like a psp that was bassically just for remote play. Vita is cool and all but the input lag and lack of r2/l2 kill the experience
 
WTH? I just noticed the PS4 Slim has no Optical Out and only a HDMI Out (besides the missing fan and the rear USB). What else ? They should have ommited the Aux port too and then no PS4 Camera so no PS VR. Thank you, but you can keep this new model.
Just don't screw up the Neo
 

PrimeRib_

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The only way I can see Sony even attempting another stab at the portable market would be a device that offers portable VR as its hook, since they're investing alot in that medium. I doubt creating a more powerful streaming device is going to be worth their while.

If the manufacturing costs are low enough (particularly if they don't deviate too far from the VITA innards) then it makes sense from the perspective of keeping potentially disruptive technology at bay. It's not always about hooking in new ecosystems but rather, stemming potential market loss.
 
WTH? I just noticed the PS4 Slim has no Optical Out and only a HDMI Out (besides the missing fan and the rear USB). What else ? They should have ommited the Aux port too and then no PS4 Camera so no PS VR. Thank you, but you can keep this new model.
Just don't screw up the Neo
I guess a lot of people don't use it? The optical out.
 

Servbot24

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If there was another handheld, would calling it PSP3 be a bad idea?

Eh, I don't think there's any point in trying to capitalize on PSP popularity. That was ages ago, and wasn't even a very big deal at the time. I'd say they should have a new name.
 
If the manufacturing costs are low enough (particularly if they don't deviate too far from the VITA innards) then it makes sense from the perspective of keeping potentially disruptive technology at bay. It's not always about hooking in new ecosystems but rather, stemming potential market loss.

Are we assuming that Sony thinks that market is even worth pursuing in 2016 and beyond? Not if their support for the Vita after 2014 is anything to go off,.....
 

Pancake Mix

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At this point, I really do think the PSP-like device is a Nintendo handheld with 1 screen, not something from Sony. I don't think Sony will try a dedicated handheld again.
 
The only way to get me interested in a handheld device (from Sony or Nintendo) would be if the device is Android based. They can then connect to PS Store or Nintendo Store where I can purchase the games, which theoretically only work on that device. It would serve as a tablet with a frankenstein peripheral that I can attach to it when I wanna play games. Do something like that, and I'm interested, otherwise, pass.
 

Widge

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I can't see why they'd go Android, all that would do is leave a nice open back door for people to do what they want with the device.
 

MoonFrog

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Say it is a Vita refresh.

This could do a couple things around the edges that could hurt NX's chances of getting wide developer/consumer support in Japan.

By providing a short term boost in Vita sales, such a move could make PS4/PS3/Vita cross-gen look like a bigger ecosystem and there'd be less impetus to port to NX early on, which would hurt NX's potential catalog and, therefore, adoption. Similarly, if the refresh was beefed up somewhat, more games could be cross-gen between PS4 and Vita more easily, again lessening the impetus to port to NX.

I don't think a refresh could kill NX in its crib (it'd be crazy to think so; if NX is stillborn, it is a combination of Nintendo and mobile that killed it), but it could drive a modicum of support away, which is something that Nintendo really needs to stop having happen. NX is Nintendo's opportunity to corner what remains of the Japanese console development community, which in turn drives up their consumer base through more software. Every potential multi-plat from PS4/PS3/Vita crossgen that Nintendo loses out on is a blow to NX; not as big a blow as losing 3DS support to mobile, but a blow nonetheless.

Say it is a PSP3, with similar specs to NX. Unless Sony has bought off Nintendo's 3DS support and developed a new IP that can compete with Nintendo first party on handheld, this will do worse than NX against mobile in Japan. Perhaps if it has cool compatibility with PS4 and NX does really bad in the west, it'll do better than NX in the west as another NEO/VR for the consumer deep into the Sony ecosystem.

It'd also have the potential to keep some third party support from NX that NX could have otherwise received.

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Ultimately though, such a device will not be a huge deal for NX, but could make the environment it launches into less than ideal. Mobile is a much bigger threat to NX. That said, what I'm saying is not relying on the hypothetical device doing well or doing better than NX. Rather, it is assuming quite the opposite, which I think is the safer assumption. It is what damage I think the device could do to NX's potential even taking into account that the NX will likely outperform it, whatever that amounts to.

Basically, I could only see Sony doing this as a move to lower the ceiling on NX as much as they can in light of the Vita's failure. It wouldn't be a move to build a handheld future for Sony, but rather to constrict the change a hybrid Nintendo could bring to the gaming market and development community, particularly in Japan.

Sony's future doesn't rely on Japanese consumer or development support, unlike Nintendo, but perhaps they would still rather not share what they do have in that country.
 

Elios83

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I hope that no one is taking seriously the idea of a true Vita successor :D
For Sony the dedicated handheld market is dead.
Even the investment of redesigning the Vita seems pointless given the sales of the device everywhere but Japan.
I don't know what to think, if the rumor is true maybe it might be an other attempt at recycling the Vita hardware in something else, like they tried with Vita TV.
 
I'm not buy anything unless I can seamlessly swap between my PS4 and PSP and I don't need to buy separate games. I'm ok buying PSP-only games, but I need cross-buy on everything.
 

Pancake Mix

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I'm not buy anything unless I can seamlessly swap between my PS4 and PSP and I don't need to buy separate games. I'm ok buying PSP-only games, but I need cross-buy on everything.

It would really suck if all console games were held back by a handheld. No thank you.
 
Wait a sec.

Project Mopheus.
PlayStation Neo.
Vita Trinity.

A big link there don't you think?

They've got a new brand of 4K TVs that clone themselves called 'Smith' and are returning with Walkman now calling it the 'Persephone Walkman' and new VR/headphones combo called 'Oracle'.
 
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