7DollarHagane
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Sony's making a lot of bad moves. I wonder if boyes saw this coming.
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Sony doesn't allow Fallout 4/Skyrim mods on PS4
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Raiden1018
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lol
Crayon
Member
No. You are supposed to think about what you did. Sent straight to your room with no explanation.
wesleyshark
Banned
Uncommonly Good At Pulling Tales From My Ass
Actually, it is. I was just forwarded this from a very strong source.
Here.....we go
cheezcake
Member
I mean is it really that hard to believe? PC modding has been around a while and not everyone who bought Skyrim had their rig explode. A simple rating + comment system allows the community to self curate more effectively than a dev ever could.
Im not saying this is a good decision. Im just saying that this is not a huge deal as people here are saying, PS4 will not sell less just because it doesn't support mods.
TimeEffect
Member
Would Bethesda have to pay to use those propietary software?
Then once their games start falling apart and bricking systems people will complain and scream
"WHY DID YOU LET ME!? THIS IS YOUR FAULT!"
Basic shitty human behavior
Papacheeks
Banned
And that is relevant in what way?
It worked presentation wise. No bullshit, just games with amazing music for each demo or trailer played in real time. That's being artistic no arrogant.
How is that arrogant?
XBox had fucking macklemore for their xbox one launch, which had nothing to do with games.
Except mods don't generally test with each other unless it's a comprehensive pack and those are usually made without the mod makers permission. It's basically trial and error and knowing what certain mods are going to effect and guessing they will interact poorly with each other.
Transistor
Banned
If it was a system level thing (allowing mods to all games), I could see it becoming an issue because of marketing. But for one game? Nah, it's not an issue
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Yo, bishpost
Now to wait for the bishupdate.
Now to wait for the bishupdate.
The biggest offense they have made yet in my opinion. It's ridiculous they still can't give us PSone classics. Not giving us that sums up their crappy behavior ever since launch.
Probably partially true. The whole way they've handled bethesda.net has shown an extreme aversion on their part when it comes to moderating the content and community around it, to the point where many mod authors no longer feel like bothering with putting their mods up there because it's so terrible compared to Nexus.
Of the 3 issues mentioned only the 3rd is in reference to cloud storage, even then i can understand Sony wanting to ensure some sort of cap (though 900mb is ridiculously small), as you don't want to incur added expense for a feature that a 3rd party is offering. Having said that I don't know why Bethesda don't host the mods.
Except Sony is allowing for mod support but, if that text is true, they expect the company to test each one before releasing it on the system.
SwiftDeath
Member
Wow that's super disappointing. Definitely need to hear more details on that but the Scorpio is looking even better then if this doesn't change.
I saw the headline and thought "must be a tech issue", but that statement by Bathesda... yikes!
What is going on with Sony I have no idea but it doesn't feel like the same company as it did during the last 3 years of the PS3.
As soon as one company trumps the other they immediately start viewing customers as cattle for them to screw for money.
One day Sony and Microsoft will realise what gets you to the top will keep you at the top. And that is listening to your consumers and offering them consumer friendly options.
What is going on with Sony I have no idea but it doesn't feel like the same company as it did during the last 3 years of the PS3.
As soon as one company trumps the other they immediately start viewing customers as cattle for them to screw for money.
One day Sony and Microsoft will realise what gets you to the top will keep you at the top. And that is listening to your consumers and offering them consumer friendly options.
some mods have compromised security on pcs. And no, self curation did not prevent that.
Transistor
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I'd take that text with a major grain of salt. The real fact is we're not going to know who is at fault until Sony or Bethesda come out directly and tell us why they're not supported
Makoto Yuki
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Not upset because you can't even get the good mods.
If you know what I mean.
In theory mods on consoles are cool, but I would rather just use a PC where you have unfiltered access to mods. Sucks for those who want to use them on PS4, but in the grand scheme of things mods will always be best on PC.
If you know what I mean.
In theory mods on consoles are cool, but I would rather just use a PC where you have unfiltered access to mods. Sucks for those who want to use them on PS4, but in the grand scheme of things mods will always be best on PC.
KingdomHeartsFan
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I don't see the big deal of mods using PC textures.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Every time bish does this, I'm spamming F5 just to see his follow-up.
I hate this. I love this.
Harmondale
Member
Whelp, Believe it or not, was my Most anticipated game this year. Not any more
I bought my xbone at a pawn shop tho
a launch party =/= showing the work of God I mean sony
Macklemore doesnt invoke the same feelings as an orchestra lmao
Macklemore doesnt invoke the same feelings as an orchestra lmao
timetokill
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Which is a de facto ban of mods. Saying they "allow mods" under those circumstances is absurd.
That is the nature of PC. You have to know what you're downloading or it can be bad for you.
It doesn't apply to this discussion which is mods on consoles or lack of.
Any signed developer have access to the convertion tools and like (they're part of SDK sent by Sony), but would never be allowed to share anything that's a part of of the development environment. I seriously doubt that any reasonable amount of money would change it, so it would have to be a much more complex solution.
AgentChris
Member
L's Await.
And going by the narrative and wishes of not so few people, nothing is going to change that, no matter what the competition will do, as it is the strongest brand worldwide so they can act as they want.
Transistor
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I think it has to do with memory. A lot of textures in PC mods are much higher res, and that could cause massive performance issues on consoles
Well we have a statement from Beth. Mod support works on PS4 but it comes with restrictions that they don't want to deal with. As I said earlier they could allow mods to be released that fit the size and content limits so it seems like something else is going on unless it really is just them putting their foot down and saying all or nothing. Having them be responsible for the content and testing of the mods before release would probably kill it even if they had the full space and tools. If it is true that could be part of why Sony isn't working on the other parts at this point.
Crayon
Member
Precisely. That's why that conversation isn't very interesting.
Goldenroad
Member
So, does this mean that the Scorpio version, as far as we know, will have mod and VR support?
So was the blackberry and the walkman.
Transistor
Banned
Yeah, I saw the statement from Bethesda, what I meant (and worded poorly) was that I'm awaiting to see if Sony has a counter-statement, which I'm really hoping they issue one. That or they need to refund people's preorders since that might have been a big selling point
AcademicSaucer
Member
Actually, it is. I was just forwarded this from a very strong source.
Mods are a risk by definition tho, you install mods that have good reviews/rating .
are you guys really arguing about the arrogance of an orchestra vs macklemore?
Disappointing for those who were looking forward to this. It makes no sense that Sony wouldn't allow mod support.
The Albatross
Member
Actually, it is. I was just forwarded this from a very strong source.
This reflects more poorly on Sony than the original issue, that there is proprietary audio encoding and proprietary texture formats.
If Sony requires the game developer to QA every community mod then that's ridiculous and embarrassing
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Sony doing their best to shoot themselves in the foot it seems.
Just wondering...
If we ignore the mod file size, could mods have been allowed if Bethesda would repackage the audio and textures themselves. I'm not part of the mod community, so I have no idea if this would have been feasible.
Also, do we know where mods get stored on ps4? I get the feeling Sony want to store mods in the savefile location and not just somewhere on the hdd and definitly not intergrated with game data. (just a feeling, literally no knowledge of this). Someone can inform we on that?
If we ignore the mod file size, could mods have been allowed if Bethesda would repackage the audio and textures themselves. I'm not part of the mod community, so I have no idea if this would have been feasible.
Also, do we know where mods get stored on ps4? I get the feeling Sony want to store mods in the savefile location and not just somewhere on the hdd and definitly not intergrated with game data. (just a feeling, literally no knowledge of this). Someone can inform we on that?
Complicated
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This is just one bad decision after another from Sony. The shift from good guy to bad guy happened in record time this cycle.
sure it does if the issue is lack of q&a and who takes responsibility when things go wrong.
Though it can. Unfiltered anduntested mods on console could potentially lead to another issue where it takes people's information.
Thus then people blaming Sony yet again.
Not saying it would happen but could
TimeEffect
Member
So Sony expects Bethesda to quality test all mods?
But that's unreasonable, right?
Why cant Bethesda/Sony make a user agreement that dissolves them of any responsibility for crashes/bricked systems?
That way, mods can be downloaded by fans like usual, and the responsibility is theirs. At the end of the day, mods offer freedom that Sony wants to restrict, just like they restricted EA Access.
But that's unreasonable, right?
Why cant Bethesda/Sony make a user agreement that dissolves them of any responsibility for crashes/bricked systems?
That way, mods can be downloaded by fans like usual, and the responsibility is theirs. At the end of the day, mods offer freedom that Sony wants to restrict, just like they restricted EA Access.
Transistor
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Apparently it's just a free-for-all right now