fvng
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Yes.
That doesn't mean anything, It means games need to be compatible with both consoles but it doesn't mean all games are required to take full advantage of Pro beefed up specs.
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Sony demos 4K/HDR enhancements for PS4 Pro at TGS (FFXV, RE7, UC4, Horizon, Infamous)
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That doesn't mean anything, It means games need to be compatible with both consoles but it doesn't mean all games are required to take full advantage of Pro beefed up specs.
Theonik
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There is no way to mandate pro feature sets as such. Developers have to have a pro mode but they can do no upgrades for it just leaving you with much smoother framerate.
fvng
Member
I wish this made some type of sense, can you please reword this for clarity
Its common sense. Just updating games by default to recognizing the Pro's hardware will boost performance for games, even if devs left games the same general settings as the original PS4 game. The CPU upclock and new GPU aren't just going to sit there and not do anything.
fvng
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1) is that confirmed? That nothing is necessary on the developer's end to benefit from the improved hardware?
2) yeah his post was definitely worded like shit, it's not me.
Exactly. I don't see where people see any improvement in vegetation and LOD or shadow draw-in. It looks the exact same as the base version.
No wonder, if this is running in 4K mode, which doesn't add much if any graphical improvements. It's all about rendering the game in a much higher resolution. Additionally to that there's not that much additional power left on the PS4 Pro unless there's also a 1080p mode with graphical bells and whistles.
Reports from TGS actually confirm the base PS4 version is already running in stable 30fps.
The quality might not be the best, but if we assume that all the footage in the most recent trailer is resembling the base version of the game it already had some really nice improvements in regards to the foliage:
Blackleg-sanji1
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Welp I was already in the fence with my hype induced pro preorder, this just adds more to my not getting it side
Still has an issue with not seeing literally any foliage in the distance though.
It is necessary for the developers to update their games with a pro mode, but the pro mode doesn't have to mean drastically using the power of the console in some huge way like upping the resolution significantly or making better graphical assets. It can be as simple as updating the software to recognize the hardware of the console, and let it run faster on its own.
Of course, that only goes for native 1080p titles. All games must be at a minimum of 1080p on Pro, so games that are 900p, or variable res between 900p and 1080p, like Final Fantasy 15 for example on PS4, must be set to a locked 1080p.
Theonik
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1) As of right now, games need to be pro aware after the mandated period. This isn't a rule, but since the pro is faster in every way it should be the case for games which don't offer pro features, 4K or 1080p. The Xbone S similarly offers performance benefits for games due to the upclock though ms doesn't advertise the feature.
E: Yes, the exception is sub 1080p games like bf1 that also need to support 1080p.
2) I'm sorry I'm typing on mobile.
You can only expect so much from a PS4... and with that in mind it is actually quite decent in my opinion. But yeah, longer draw distance is always appreciated in any game!
Until they release a proper direct comparison footage it will be hard to get a final judgement of the differences. And unfortunately I don't think we're going to get that before launch because they clearly don't want people to think that the PS/XB1 versions are not good enough.
But even looking at this shitty screen grab:
I've never seen anything with this vegetation density in the normal PS4 version of the game. Coincidence?
Not to mention the texture quality that seems greatly improved (or it's the higher res that make the assets shine instead of blurring them).
Of course it's not like the Pro version will look like an other game, but the improvements are there and are noticeable.
You can easily see the improved shadow LOD in XV pro footage compared to any of their base console footage.
From someone who saw that XV Pro footage reel in person and also played the TGS demo...
https://forum.finalfantasyxv.com/discussion/2647/tgs-demo-build-and-ffxv-pro-footage-impressions
Shuya: "FFXV Pro footage...
The footage being showed representing PS4 Pro was not actually running on a PS4P. It was a video, but having said that... it was night and day compared to the demo. You could see high quality details as far as you could see."
From someone who saw that XV Pro footage reel in person and also played the TGS demo...
https://forum.finalfantasyxv.com/discussion/2647/tgs-demo-build-and-ffxv-pro-footage-impressions
Shuya: "FFXV Pro footage...
The footage being showed representing PS4 Pro was not actually running on a PS4P. It was a video, but having said that... it was night and day compared to the demo. You could see high quality details as far as you could see."
Until they release a proper direct comparison footage it will be hard to get a final judgement of the differences. And unfortunately I don't think we're going to get that before launch because they clearly don't want people to think that the PS/XB1 versions are not good enough.
But even looking at this shitty screen grab:
I've never seen anything with this vegetation density in the normal PS4 version of the game. Coincidence?
Not to mention the texture quality that seems greatly improved (or it's the higher res that make the assets shine instead of blurring them).
Of course it's not like the Pro version will look like an other game, but the improvements are there and are noticeable.
Yeah, that looks pretty from what we can actually even make out there. But I doubt the PS4 Pro will have more trees (in the back here) and bushes (in the front here). That's usually not even happening in PC versions of console games. What I would guess it will get are updates such as more grass and more objects displayed in the far distance but not more objects in the immediate or medium distance, like you seem to think is happening in this picture(?). I am also sure that textures will pop more, just because of the higher resolution but how are people able to judge that based on these images?
Last but not least this region (with the birches) was never shown before in none PS4 Pro footage so that region might be usually lusher in vegetation, also on the regular PS4. The Leide desert and Duscae valley are more dry/arid in climate and thus it's obvious there are less bushes, trees and grass. What I meant by the LOD of vegetation looks the same was also based on the footage from Duscae in the Pro video.
Risk Breaker
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Dat draw distance in the FFXV video <3
Arrogant Bastard
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So I'm gonna have to buy a new TV for this because my set doesn't have HDR, right?
Yeah thanks.
I couldn't see it in the OP pics but when i went onto the site i could.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh man that looks so great, draw distance is phenomenal and frame rate looks rock solid too. Can't wait to play this on a Pro.
Karak
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Sure no problem. I currently have just that tv right in front of me for some video coming soon of the reasons why its a good tv but not a good GAME HDR TV which no one is really covering. But I actually have HDR games right now so I can
Best idea so far ya.
Theonik
Member
Senran Kagura lightbars will blind you.
It's posts like this that knock some sense into me.
Pocky4Th3Win
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Anyone know a way I can test HDR on my TV with the PS4? I Wana see it in action but from what I know no released game right now supports it.
ArkhamFantasy
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Based on the little bit we've seen it certainly looks like it.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Yep...getting it for Pro.
What is mind blowing actually is why Sony still haven't released proper 4H HDR direct feed video to download on their website ? Some of us have the technology but can't use it yet because reasons, it's like Microsoft or EA who released demos without HDR even when the final games will have it, it's too fucking stupid.
HDR is already difficult to market but if you don't released videos properly to people that can show it to other people, what is the point ?
michaelius
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Just a small correction watching jpg on HDR screen won't do anything. You need container that has data which HDR tv can interpret as such.
Caayn
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If you search for problems with a popular brand you'll always find people who have them. It's anecdotal but I've never had a TV break down on me and I've had quite a few different brands myself (Cat, LG, Panasonic, Philips)
The Samsung KS8000 has extremely low input lag, just 21-22ms at 4K HDR. There's no need to wait, it's an excellent TV (unless you need to watch it at an angle, which I personally don't) that comes for an affordable price.
You can't see HDR on your screen
That placebo effect.
shouamabane
Member
I'm still waiting for somebody to really sell PS4 Pro @ 1080p.
isnt that 38-39ms actually?
I am surprised that many people recommend ks8000, from my impression the response time of the tv is way too slow for games I can literally see the inking ghosting effect on all the black color or dark scene. Far worse than what review described. People use to complain slow response time for pc mon but now its not an issue? Weird.
three_muffins
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Not sure about the curret Tv market......are there 1080p hdr tvs available?
HDR looks like it really is worth it, but i dont need 4k resolutions. Im still fine with full hd resolution.
HDR looks like it really is worth it, but i dont need 4k resolutions. Im still fine with full hd resolution.
Nah, 1080p sets are budget priced. No one is putting HDR in the low end market.
Omnistalgic
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Probably not going to find many 1080p sets with it, but it'll have to be new ones.
4K sets are replacing 1080p ones though, you can get cheap 4K for $500-$600 already.
FearlessBelgian
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Im so disappointed with my 55X8505c... 93 ms in HDR ...
Why i have buy this TV ? ...
I tried Forza Horizon 3 in HDR and it is unplayable for me...
Why i have buy this TV ? ...
I tried Forza Horizon 3 in HDR and it is unplayable for me...
michaelius
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Im so disappointed with my 55X8505c... 93 ms in HDR ...
Why i have buy this TV ? ...
I tried Forza Horizon 3 in HDR and it is unplayable for me...
Same here, pathetic but lets hope an update is coming.
You can't see HDR on your screen
He clearly saw the difference doe. This HDR craze is funny, because you can't show it to the masses and yet some people think they can see a difference :lol So damn hard to market this stuff.
The store i bought my tv is replacing my old busted set under warranty for this one
http://www.samsung.com/uk/tv/KU6000/
The 60" one
Is that good enough for the ps4pro/xbox one s?
My old tv is 1080p with awful light bleeding haha
http://www.samsung.com/uk/tv/KU6000/
The 60" one
Is that good enough for the ps4pro/xbox one s?
My old tv is 1080p with awful light bleeding haha