The laser vs shotgun comment is rich, considering they are circling the wagons and protecting him.
We ain't got space lasers.
The livelihood and family line has been trotted out time and again to excuse looking the other way.
Lol. Oculus can fuck off then.
And what the hell with Carmack? He used to be cool.
He never was.Lol. Oculus can fuck off then.
And what the hell with Carmack? He used to be cool.
Dude who said story in games is like story in porn shouldn't surprise you with dismissive comments about women.
I'm very happy with the Oculus Rift so far, and am looking forward to getting the touch later this year. Hopefully mob brutality won't stifle innovation.
I don't have to agree with peoples political inclinations to appricate the work that they do.
Dude who said story in games is like story in porn shouldn't surprise you with dismissive comments about women.
Dude who said story in games is like story in porn shouldn't surprise you with dismissive comments about women.
It's 'trotted out' because it's simple reality. If it isn't in your world, then you're lucky and shouldn't be so smug about it.
In short, putting your moral convictions before your, and potentially your family's, economical safety is a luxury that not everyone can afford at the drop of a hat.
The disgust lies in the fact the company turns a blind eye to that asshole's/racist actions.
they must have determined the "incident" PR fallout was mostly self-contained within tech-nerd circles like GAF and that acknowledging it in any way would only spread the contagion to the general populace, most of whom have no idea what the hell this is all about.
You consider actively funding a group whose purpose it is to spread hate speech about women and minorities just a "political inclination"?
I had no agenda when purchasing the Rift, and still don't when I purchase the touch. The beleifs of the executives of big companies have no impact on what I purchase. I imagine that if I truely cared about these issues, then I would end up buying nothing at all.
I would like to also clarify that the only thing that I am actively funding is my desire to use a product that I have an interest in. I am so far removed from whatever issues are happening with the corporations that I refuse to be responsible for however they choose to spend their money.
His or anyone else's antics aside, what does one have to do with the other?
I don't know the context but that reads like a perfectly valid criticism of the level of storytelling in video games relative to superior mediums like books and film. Video game scripts have a long way to go and many are currently at a level barely fit of the worst summer blockbusters or mid-winter filler.
It's, uh, it's there somewhere. I know i thought of something when i wrote that. Just a sec.
Just a point of contention, he wasn't criticizing them, not at all. He was saying story in games should have the same relevance as story in pornography, which, he implied, was very very little.
It's, uh, it's there somewhere. I know i thought of something when i wrote that. Just a sec.
Just a point of contention, he wasn't criticizing them, not at all. He was saying story in games should have the same relevance as story in pornography, which, he implied, was very very little.
At this point, I just hope Xbox doesn't partner with them for Scorpio.
Dude who said story in games is like story in porn shouldn't surprise you with dismissive comments about women.
The disgust lies in the fact the company turns a blind eye to that asshole's/racist actions.
unfortunately companies have a lot of power in this country(supreme court ruled a while back they can be like people), and these companies throw their influence into a lot of things. So if this company is employing people like luckey its fair game to criticize the whole company.
It's not because of the one person, its because of how the company reacts to that one person.
Which was:
1) "We respect everyone's political opinion", acting as if racism and hate-speech are valid opinions worth discussing and the same as every other non-racist opinion
2) Plugging their fingers into their ears and ignoring the whole event
If that person is your founder and your ceo and head of content both put out statements supporting him as a person then it doesn't really matter how many awesome mid level employees you have, it's rotten at the top.
Burn it the fuck down.
Whoa, good point! Now that I think of it, every company I've worked for had a founder that took profits from my work and invested it in a hate speech group.
Golly gee, I guess it just happens everywhere. Nothing to see here folks.
I agree that a company should be held responsible, and yes, the higher ups should be the ones that should be abhorred. But the ones how are taking the punishment for that on dude are the ones who are actually working hard and not necessarily agree with him and could very well, oppose him on his actions. Boycotting the whole output is a tad bit unnecessary.
I mean, you could say they could all leave the company, but considering the harsh environment we live in, its not easy as they have to feed themselves and family.
Of course, Palmer isn't going to be arrested for what he did, but there's no overt protection under the law from losing his job. It's not illegal to be racist and hate filled. That doesn't mean executives who own the company he worked for can't terminate his employment.
Edit - Obviously, none of us know the details of his conrtact, so I don't know what clause(s) is in place to keep him there, but if Facebook execs wanted him gone, I have no doubt he'd be gone. Their lack of statement on this matter is disturbing.
This is just dumb comment that doesn't even need responding to properly.
But there is. You have to "prove" someone is racist. Saying the support an ultra conservative base doesn't really flag as racism (again with Fox news and Trump as example), as I posted before California's FEHA makes it illegal to fire someone for political stance. Oculus is based in Irvine, California.
Like I said before though, there are other reasons people could get fired, such as losing money or causing a PR debacle. That is the part I think Palmer is protected by some sort of contract, because almost every example of bad PR of this nature that I have seen, ends in that persons termination.
What do people envision happening in a boycott? I'm really curious.
Public outcry hurts sales and turns developers away from the ecosystem. Investors and Facebook leadership demand corrective action, and it happens. A sustained boycott shows a company that they can't simply ignore a situation and need to actually do something about it.
If that person is your founder and your ceo and head of content both put out statements supporting him as a person then it doesn't really matter how many awesome mid level employees you have, it's rotten at the top.
Burn it the fuck down.
I just wanna know what food was served at this luncheon... are we talking deli sandwiches? Perhaps even a fruit salad bowl or cookie platter?
I'm very happy with the Oculus Rift so far, and am looking forward to getting the touch later this year. Hopefully mob brutality won't stifle innovation.
I don't have to agree with peoples political inclinations to appricate the work that they do.
Where do you draw your line in the sand between company leader uses your money to support hate groups and white supremacists to company leader uses your money to actually buy children from human traffickers as snacks?
Obviously these are very different scenarios but where do you personally say "ok I'm not supporting this"?
I had no agenda when purchasing the Rift, and still don't when I purchase the touch. The beleifs of the executives of big companies have no impact on what I purchase. I imagine that if I truely cared about these issues, then I would end up buying nothing at all.
I would like to also clarify that the only thing that I am actively funding is my desire to use a product that I have an interest in. I am so far removed from whatever issues are happening with the corporations that I refuse to be responsible for however they choose to spend their money.
Come on, are you serious? You're comparing what he did to cannibalism of trafficked children? What use is such an utterly insane and improbable analogy? Why not just ask if he would support Luckey after he blows up the Eastern seaboard?
If you had no agenda you probably wouldn't be posting in this thread to tell people how much you don't care. If you don't care about the issues, then why post? I'm not sure I understand why you would bother giving your opinion about this if you don't care about the issues.
Yeah, what if Palmer was a mass murderer? Hmm?
There is no useful purpose to using such an improbable scenario that has nothing to do with what actually transpired. Luckey is a douche but he didn't do anything remotely as horrific as importing underage slaves and then murdering them in order to feast on their flesh and organs. It's a dumb jumping off point for a discussion. He already said he doesn't agree with what Luckey in fact did but separates the man from the company. Where is the sense in jumping to wild hypotheticals?
You're conflating "I don't care about this as it relates to an Oculus purchase and my ability to enjoy it" with "I don't care about any of this and we shouldn't be having this discussion." The sentiment he expressed is a valid one. The way I'm reading it he's not being dismissive of the very existence of this topic and anyone who stands on the side of not supporting Oculus.
The fact that he used the term "Hopefully mob brutality won't stifle innovation." makes it pretty clear where he stands as far as this discussion goes.
If I complain about a problem at work, it's because I want cool heads with a nuanced approach to offer solutions that help everyone, not because I want an immediate firing and heads to roll. The manner in which some want this situation handled is to have it blow it up in a big way, as quickly and recklessly as can possibly be. This is great from a vengeance standpoint and seeing immediate retribution against the hated Palmer before moving on to new news... but probably not any good for all others involved in this long-term.
And where is that? Because I said something similar.
FB and Oculus need to do an exhaustive investigation into Palmer's activities, figure out how deep his involvement was with these Internet groups, interrogate him to learn his intentions and who was harmed or could have been harmed. It's not shocking to suggest that mob justice and a public dragging aren't the answer. So many people online act as if they're owed a highly visible "flogging" when maybe it is an internal matter for the respective employers of Palmer to handle.
Here John let me help you:Dude who said story in games is like story in porn shouldn't surprise you with dismissive comments about women.
Lol. Oculus can fuck off then.
And what the hell with Carmack? He used to be cool.
Here John let me help you:
"Dude who said 'But I want da best!' when questioned about the gender gap in video game dev. shouldn't suprise you with dismissive comments about women."
Fixed.
Where is what? The viscous mob line? It's what the guy said in the post you are defending saying he has a valid concern.
The fact that he used the term "Hopefully mob brutality won't stifle innovation." makes it pretty clear where he stands as far as this discussion goes.
weallstink: OMG look at this hate mob brutally attacking Palmer for being a racist and Oculus for defending him! Is anyone thinking of Palmer's feelings? He's the victim of viscous mob brutality!
He didn't say "I hope that people disgusted with his racist behaviors don't stifle innovation". Nope, we're just an irrational viscous mob lashing out.
Where is it you think he stands because I said something along the same lines of preferring an exhaustive investigation conducted by mature, responsible parties and not people looking in from the outside with a unquenchable need for swift retribution.
It's in response to posts stating Oculus needs to be burned to the ground and anyone/everyone working there should be fired, among other statements calling for serious crippling of the company.