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[Desparadina]

Props to you OP for making this thread in gaming even if ppl want to avoid discussion. As for your question, I'm not really sure tbh, I mean some parts of the gaming community actively seem in line with some of Trump's harmful rhetoric, at the same time though I'm not sure there should be games that go straight into our real world politics and do trivial and gimmicky shit like "protect Trump from potential assassinations'. I would like to see the companies take more of a stand against bigotry in both their companies and outside of that.

 

[QaaQer]

I mean, Joe Arpaio for homeland security? A person who has abused his power, misuse of funds, committed unlawful enforcement of immigration laws, election law violations, unlawful discriminatory police conduct and racial profiling which he was sued for.

I see your point. My point is, at the end of the day, legislation is what matters; and that is what I focus on. I'm not telling anyone else to do the same.

 

[Silver Arrows]

This thread is still going and people are still bitching about "getting politics out of gaming side"

el o el

 

[Snowybreak]

ah yes, the old 'your intolerance of MY intolerance is just as bad!!!'

i don't think i've ever seen anyone argue that a vote for hillary made you a good person. ever. i've never seen that.

also fucking LOL @ calling neogaf fascist. it's a private video game discussion forum. get over yourself.

edit: oops bye

Remember, people don't understand what free speech is.

This is only touching upon him calling NeoGAF fascist of course, sadly his martyr post has been removed, completely making the point of him martyring himself null.

 

[Woorloog]

Ah, XKCD is so good.

Of course, alt right cares only about its own narrative. A movement with its head so deep in its ass you can tell the head and ass apart.

 

[RenegadeXV8]

I mean, Joe Arpaio for homeland security? A person who has abused his power, misuse of funds, committed unlawful enforcement of immigration laws, election law violations, unlawful discriminatory police conduct and racial profiling which he was sued for.

I dunno about Arpaio. He's under criminal investigation and has a billion lawsuits aimed at him, not to mention he's 84 goddamn years old. Highly doubt Trump would want that kind of baggage.

 

[Snowybreak]

Ah, XKCD is so good.

Of course, alt right cares only about its own narrative. A movement with its head so deep in its ass you can tell the head and ass apart.

The alt-text on the image is pretty damn good:

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

 

[xxracerxx]

I dunno about Arpaio. He's under criminal investigation and has a billion lawsuits aimed at him, not to mention he's 84 goddamn years old. Highly doubt Trump would want that kind of baggage.

Change the age and that could be Trump.

 

[AmaterasuOkami076]

I thought there was some good points made in that deleted post (and some not so good points which I definitely disagreed with) but I thought it was worth discussing. It was starting to get off topic though.

On topic, I definitely agree with the poster who said more games like Papers, Please would be perfect. The games industry has a fantastic opportunity to create situations that cause you to feel empathy more than other mediums since you're the one making the decisions. Papers, Please made me feel like a bastard.

 

[Chastten]

So, as an European who hasn't really followed the USA elections beyond some front page headlines... are people in the States really that worried about this? Most of his plans seem pretty much impossible to execute and sound like typical election stuff that'll be dropped because they're too expensive or there's no support or whatever within a few weeks. I'd be surprised if more then 10% of his plans actually happen.

 

[xxracerxx]

So, as an European who hasn't really followed the USA elections beyond some front page headlines... are people in the States really that worried about this? Most of his plans seem pretty much impossible to execute and sound like typical election stuff that'll be dropped because they're too expensive or there's no support or whatever within a few weeks. I'd be surprised if more then 10% of his plans actually happen.

The Republicans now control the top three layers of government.

 

[The Scientist]

How about a tower defense game where I need to protect my property from whining liberal/progressive hippocrites who wont accept the results of this election.


Yes, I live in northern CA. These people are ticked, I get it. Stop burning and trashing innocent peoples property!


I know what I have coming for me Diversity of political thought is pushed by NeoGAF in video games, is it welcome on the boards though?


Headless Hearts

 

[Snowybreak]

So, as an European who hasn't really followed the USA elections beyond some front page headlines... are people in the States really that worried about this? Most of his plans seem pretty much impossible to execute and sound like typical election stuff that'll be dropped because they're too expensive or there's no support or whatever within a few weeks. I'd be surprised if more then 10% of his plans actually happen.

The problem is that every level of government is currently controlled by that guy's party, and a lot of his plans are things that republicans have been wanting to do forever.

 

[Silver Arrows]

How about a tower defense game where I need to protect my property from whining liberal/progressive hippocrites who wont accept the results of this election.


Yes, I live in northern CA. These people are ticked, I get it. Stop burning and trashing innocent peoples property!


I know what I have coming for me Diversity of political thought is pushed by NeoGAF in video games, is it welcome on the boards though?


Headless Hearts

so brave, this opinion is

 

[Snowybreak]

How about a tower defense game where I need to protect my property from whining liberal/progressive hippocrites who wont accept the results of this election.


Yes, I live in northern CA. These people are ticked, I get it. Stop burning and trashing innocent peoples property!


I know what I have coming for me Diversity of political thought is pushed by NeoGAF in video games, is it welcome on the boards though?


Headless Hearts

Um... It would be, if people actually argued their points instead of baiting the mods and claiming they're above it all.

 

[Nanashrew]

I dunno about Arpaio. He's under criminal investigation and has a billion lawsuits aimed at him, not to mention he's 84 goddamn years old. Highly doubt Trump would want that kind of baggage.

Well... The alternatives aren't very great either...

Here's the short list: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313436

How about a tower defense game where I need to protect my property from whining liberal/progressive hippocrites who wont accept the results of this election.


Yes, I live in northern CA. These people are ticked, I get it. Stop burning and trashing innocent peoples property!


I know what I have coming for me Diversity of political thought is pushed by NeoGAF in video games, is it welcome on the boards though?


Headless Hearts

But you're just baiting for a ban. I can only assume that you don't really have much of an opinion or a diverse thought to provide to discussion.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Um... It would be, if people actually argued their points instead of baiting the mods and claiming they're above it all.

But then I can't tell me buddies that GAF is a SJW hell hole though! (((((

 

[Chastten]

The Republicans now control the top three layers of government.

The problem is that every level of government is currently controlled by that guy's party, and a lot of his plans are things that republicans have been wanting to do forever.

Right, that first part I knew. But media around here were very pro-Clinton from the start and they gave the idea that even a lot of republicans were against Trump which would make things pretty hard for him. Guess it's time to read some more into it tomorrow.

 

[Caddyshack]

How about a tower defense game where I need to protect my property from whining liberal/progressive hippocrites who wont accept the results of this election.

Apologies to thread-goers if post is irrelephant to topic at hand.

 

[Anarky]

I feel like Koei made this thread, because it's playing out like Dynasty Warriors.

 

[bishoptl]

How about a tower defense game where I need to protect my property from whining liberal/progressive hippocrites who wont accept the results of this election.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CltrLsjsQl0

 

[super-famicom]

Wow, haven't checked this thread since I posted minutes after it was created. I'm very disappointed to see all the bans, this is a serious topic and simply ignoring it and asking for these threads to not be in gaming is not helping at all. Minorities are gamers too, and deserve as much respect as anyone else.

 

[VegiHam]

Apologies to thread-goers if post is irrelephant to topic at hand.

Hahahaha. This is adorably silly.

 

[PopeReal]

How about a tower defense game where I need to protect my property from whining liberal/progressive hippocrites who wont accept the results of this election.


Yes, I live in northern CA. These people are ticked, I get it. Stop burning and trashing innocent peoples property!


I know what I have coming for me Diversity of political thought is pushed by NeoGAF in video games, is it welcome on the boards though?


Headless Hearts

Sounds like you need a safe space.

 

[koutoru]

Right, that first part I knew. But media around here were very pro-Clinton from the start and they gave the idea that even a lot of republicans were against Trump which would make things pretty hard for him. Guess it's time to read some more into it tomorrow.

Republicans are split when it comes to Trump himself, and specifically some of the execution of his ideas.
Where they're unified is in general right leaning polices.

 

[pestul]

It needs to start from the top with industry giants like Facebook, in not tolerating bigotry from high-level partnerships regardless of their importance to future strategies.

We need racism, homophobia and misogyny to be squashed from out of the front lines of online gaming. It needs to be made unacceptable under any circumstances and result in automatic bans.

There needs to be so much more push back. We won't tolerate this movement of society and it's impact on our beloved hobby.

 

[zoku88]

if they do any of this shareholders can and will sue for failing to maximize return on investment

the whole system is broken and cannot be fixed from within

This is pretty much a myth, actually, unless the company specifically claimed that they were going to maximize return on investment (which most wouldn't, for obvious reasons.)

And anyway, public companies donate to all kinds of stuff that doesn't directly benefit them (though, you could say good PR, though I don't see how the specific examples you quoted would contradict that.)

Also, a lot of companies match employee donations 1:1 (which obviously doesn't get them sued.)

EDIT: Oh yea, there are tax breaks for corporate donations, anyway.

 

[Moz]

I'd like to see some walking simulator games set in important recent-history. Games are good at placing you in a situation. I'm sure you could tackle bigger issues without needing to give the player a win/lose state.

 

[Woorloog]

It needs to start from the top with industry giants like Facebook, in not tolerating bigotry from high-level partnerships regardless of their importance to future strategies.

We need racism, homophobia and misogyny to be squashed from out of the front lines of online gaming. It needs to be made unacceptable under any circumstances and result in automatic bans.

There needs to be so much more push back. We won't tolerate this movement of society and it's impact on our beloved hobby.

I recommend that anyone who sees or hears any of that in multiplayer reports it to the service provider immediately and always. I mean, if it is reported enough, those provides have to eventually take an active stance, no?
I hope...

I'd like to see some walking simulator games set in important recent-history. Games are good at placing you in a situation. I'm sure you could tackle bigger issues without needing to give the player a win/lose state.

That is a pretty good idea.

 

[Fury451]

The games industry should already be pursuing diversity and advancing progressive ideas, and something like this isn't really a good rallying cry- it's long overdue as it is.

Trump being elected is incidental to shit that should've been happening for years already, like pushing back the gamergate attitude, and easier ways to report the awful online behaviors

 

[Snowybreak]

I'd like to see some walking simulator games set in important recent-history. Games are good at placing you in a situation. I'm sure you could tackle bigger issues without needing to give the player a win/lose state.

I'd say that with VR now, it might be cool to have a re-creation of the Selma march playing out around you, or in a crowd during the protests in Ferguson.

 

[Nephrahim]

Remember, people don't understand what free speech is.

This is only touching upon him calling NeoGAF fascist of course, sadly his martyr post has been removed, completely making the point of him martyring himself null.

This is totally true, but just to remind people, what happens if you show them the door, then they go to 4chan and get Trump Elected.

Just banning people for having opinions contrary to yours (Even if you consider them bad) might not be the best long term solution.

 

[More_Badass]

I'd say that with VR now, it might be cool to have a re-creation of the Selma march playing out around you, or in a crowd during the protests in Ferguson.

I feel like that could be a very effective experience, considering how immersive VR can be

 

[KimonoNoNo]

- A neighbourhood simulator where your character is rewarded greatly for spotting specific behaviour from your neighbours and reporting on it, which causes the police to swoop in and disappear them, but then you notice your neighbours are watching you too

Sounds very much like the premise for Beholder

To be honest Trump doesn't really scare me, it's the crazies he'll appoint that scare me shitless.

 

[More_Badass]

Sounds very much like the premise for Beholder

To be honest Trump doesn't really scare me, it's the crazies he'll appoint that scare me shitless.

We got Tyranny and Beholder in the same week as the election. It's practically poetic

 

[Woorloog]

What was that game that randomized gender, skin color, and other attributes (like dick size)? And made them unchangeable, by tying them to Steam ID number?

That kind of thing could be used more in multiplayer games.

I remember people were pissed off when they were forced to be in others shoes.

 

[Conkerkid11]

What was that game that randomized gender, skin color, and other attributes (like dick size)? And made them unchangeable, by tying them to Steam ID number?

That kind of thing could be used more in multiplayer games.

I remember people were pissed off when they were forced to be in others shoes.

Rust

 

[Anarky]

This is totally true, but just to remind people, what happens if you show them the door, then they go to 4chan and get Trump Elected.

Just banning people for having opinions contrary to yours (Even if you consider them bad) might not be the best long term solution.

People are getting banned because they keep thread shitting how is this not getting through to some of you? Like it's literally against the rules.

 

[Woorloog]

Rust

Thanks. I'll keep an eye on this, should i get into mood for survival games.

People are getting banned because they keep thread shitting how is this not getting through to some of you? Like it's literally against the rules.

Not just that, they're occasionally getting banned for breaking TOS (sexism, racism, etc.) or using GamerGater tactics (which is banned as well, for they stand for racism, sexism and the like).


So, the idiots go to 4chan etc... and they're there. Can't do anything about that until service provides won't sell domains to hate groups or the like.
They're not the group that listens to others in the first place. They're the sort that is best kept away from others, to make sure they can't poison forums like NeoGAF.

 

[NHarmonic.]

The OP with the companies' initiatives made me kinda emotional, tbh. Also artists' posts on social media (Katy perry donating to the foundations she believes will probably stop recieving help from the government, etc) too.

 

[SlaughterX]

Didn't Hilary (and Trump) want to ban violent games?

Also bigotry works both ways folks, banning people for not having the same views or opinions is no better than the "facists" that this thread is supposed to be opposing. I'll probably be banned just for saying this...

 

[petran79]

I blame rather the Republican party that supported Trump in the electorate. I didnt expect them to change their mind in the end.
People are not voting just for 1 person but for the party policy and the countless regional candidates, where personal connections and favours often are above politics. A healthy political party would have ousted members not following the party's core beliefs.

Video games had always the stigma of ignoring humanity. Eg the various military shooter games that ignored the deaths of civilians and made true bombardments feel like a video games. At a time when NATO was active in Europe and the Middle East.

Fortunately video games became more varied and sensitive since then. I am more worried about the social and online aspect of games. I fear online harassment will become real harassment soon to a degree never seen before.

Both parents and kids need to educated about this dangerous possibility.

 

[bishoptl]

Didn't Hilary (and Trump) want to ban violent games?

Also bigotry works both ways folks, banning people for not having the same views or opinions is no better than the "facists" that this thread is supposed to be opposing. I'll probably be banned just for saying this...

Thread whining isn't an opinion, sunshine. Nice attempt at misrepresentation, however.

 

[Daximuss]

With the incredibly depressing and demolishing election results, Trump and his white supremacist, sexist, Islamophobic, homophobic, imperialistic ideology will be sitting with the world's strongest military, a mass surveillance apparatus in the form of NSA and Homeland Security, an extrajudicial drone program, a militarized police force that shoots an kills black and brown people without punishment, an embrace of fossil fuels in the face of cataclysmic climate changes, a legitimization of white supremacist militia like the KKK, a rise in hate crimes following the results, the LGBTQ suicides following the election, deportation of immigrants, and the list goes on and on. And all of these alarming capabilities of fascist ideology is unchecked with the Republicans controlling the house and the senate, and even being able to put in a Supreme court justice.

Whether you like it or not, the games industry and culture are not detached from this fallout and "we" cannot escape into the comfortable nature of entertainment away from what's going on "outside" (especially if we are affected by his policies). Games are part of society and can (should?) reflect what we are going through as human beings. Therefore, publishers, developers, journalists, critics, Youtubers, players, consumers, etc. have to take a stand in this ugly downturn in history. Being neutral doesn't cut it in the face of oppression and fascist ideology.

Here are some examples of what some game developers and writers have done:

• Austin Walker wrote an editorial for Waypoint on how they embrace diversity and push back against bigotry.
  
• Fullbright are making their game Gone Home free for everyone
  
• Itch.io are in the process of making a bundle where all the proceeds go to the ACLU.
  
• Double Fine are explicitly hiring diverse candidates.
  
• Editor-in-Chief of Gamesindustry.biz James Brightman did an editorial about the diversity of games and how the industry and culture have to shut down the Gamergaters and alt-right that are in line with Trump's fascism.

What other avenues can publishers, developers, writers, communities, players do? Will EA/Activision/Ubisoft/Square Enix donate profits to more civil rights unions? Will they hire more from the groups who will face the oppression of the government? Will they emphasize diversity and multiplicity in their games and their marketing? Will IGN, Gamespot, Eurogamer, Polygon, etc. include address the societal context in which they do their coverage and reviews? Will Microsoft consider how their own company is situated in a country with a white supremacist government? Will Gaming Youtubers address their audiences about what's going on and remind them that this is serious business and that people, especially Muslims, LGBTQ, Black, poor, etc., will be fucked over by the policies?

I think the important thing is that the games industry in as many instances as possible does not accept or normalize Trump's and the Republicans' fascist platforms. That they don't continue the status quo and that they don't ignore it. Feel free to add or contribute with other articles or videos or PR statements by companies that touch on this.

EDIT: Two good posts on how to consider the issue: Aeolist on what you can do as a consumer and Stump on using formal politics rather than art

What a complete and asinine topic. The guy's not even in office yet and the propaganda machine's in full force.

You lost, grow up.

 

[Aizen.S.Kennedy]

Thread whining is always bannable. This thread isn't special in that regard, beyond the fact that at least four moderators are reading it.

As always, if a thread doesn't seem valuable or worthy to you, feel free not to post in it. If no one posts in it, it falls into oblivion. When people post thread whining posts, it bumps it to the top, drawing more attention. Not only is thread whining irritating and bannable, but it literally does the opposite of what the whiners want, which is to make the thread go away.

Exactly. I've lurked for years and always wondered why didn't ppl just ignore threads they deem unworthy. ALSO If and when I become a member I'd really really love to have your tag.

 

[weemadarthur]

Collecting my ideas for discussion on a new page:

I liked all your game ideas. But posting the surprise ending means if you do make them, I won't enjoy them as much in the future. There is absolutely room for stories like these.

 

[Silver Arrows]

What a complete and asinine topic. The guy's not even in office yet and the propaganda machine's in full force.

You lost, grow up.

Gee, I didn't know a guy who perpetuates hate and xenophobia so willingly is a product of 'the propaganda machine'

 

[Lime]

Waypoint and Austin Walker are so great. It's sad to see that there are gaming podcasts who "don't have that freedom" to talk about the political fallout and how it affects them or their surroundings.

 

[More_Badass]

Waypoint and Austin Walker are so great. It's sad to see that there are gaming podcasts who "don't have that freedom" to talk about the political fallout and how it affects them or their surroundings.

Good, we need more of that

 

[More_Badass]

What a complete and asinine topic. The guy's not even in office yet and the propaganda machine's in full force.

You lost, grow up.

Just because he's elected doesn't mean one have to accept and ignore his behavior and actions.

Should the Muslim and LGBTQ community "grow up" considering the ongoing hate crimes that haven't been condemned, proposed policies that threaten them, and the terrifying shortlist of cabinet picks?

This isn't a school yard argument. This is human decency and people's way of life.