There's no reason to announce price now, it does not make a good business decision. Let's say this thing comes out in Feb/march and they announced the price today for 600US. There is not a single thing stopping Intel from dropping prices starting Jan 17 on all of their models making the new AMD look like a less tempting choice.
Intel owns the pricing structure for CPUs right now, they can drop it whenever they feel like it and they havent felt the need to for years since AMD hasn't been competitive.
The chip sounds good on paper. Glad it's not 140w and I imagine we will see the full reveal at CES.
In 2 handpicked number-crunching benchmarks.
When they went to games they didn't show numbers and showed a very specific use-case in streaming Dota and compared it against a 4 core Intel cpu - i wonder why ...
They will have to, believe me I'm a HUGE AMD fan.. but i'm just worried that they didn't announce a price for their top model. Something tells me we are looking at a VERY expensive CPU in Europe. I mean look at their RX480, due to the Bitcoin miners buying them up we have to pay more for those than 1060's from Nvidia. Heck they are sometimes close to a 1070 if you go for the 8GB version of the 480.
I'm not paying 1100 bucks for an AMD CPU, I will be very willing to just stick with my old one then.
Indeed, for that price... I'll build my new righ tomorrow. Nice VEGA with a nice Ryzen 8 core in it . But... you just know that European Bitcoiners will buy up VEGA like crazy, and that price will be higher than the 1080TI in Europe .
Bitcoin mining is a serious issue for AMD's market, that they need to address. Maybe release bit coin mining version of VEGA that is about the same price but without a display port of any kind? If they don't they'll never make it back into the gaming GPU market as the miners are basically ruining their image.
There's no reason to announce price now, it does not make a good business decision. Let's say this thing comes out in Feb/march and they announced the price today for 600US. There is not a single thing stopping Intel from dropping prices starting Jan 17 on all of their models making the new AMD look like a less tempting choice.
Intel owns the pricing structure for CPUs right now, they can drop it whenever they feel like it and they havent felt the need to for years since AMD hasn't been competitive.
The chip sounds good on paper. Glad it's not 140w and I imagine we will see the full reveal at CES.
Indeed, for that price... I'll build my new righ tomorrow. Nice VEGA with a nice Ryzen 8 core in it . But... you just know that European Bitcoiners will buy up VEGA like crazy, and that price will be higher than the 1080TI in Europe .
Bitcoin mining is a serious issue for AMD's market, that they need to address. Maybe release bit coin mining version of VEGA that is about the same price but without a display port of any kind? If they don't they'll never make it back into the gaming GPU market as the miners are basically ruining their image.
i don't really expect vega (and i can deal going the best cpu solution next year and keep my 980ti)
but my i7 950 need to be replaced.
only test i wanted was games, no fps counter lol
They will have to, believe me I'm a HUGE AMD fan.. but i'm just worried that they didn't announce a price for their top model. Something tells me we are looking at a VERY expensive CPU in Europe. I mean look at their RX480, due to the Bitcoin miners buying them up we have to pay more for those than 1060's from Nvidia. Heck they are sometimes close to a 1070 if you go for the 8GB version of the 480.
I'm not paying 1100 bucks for an AMD CPU, I will be very willing to just stick with my old one then.
What country are talking about specifically? This is not a "Europe" thing, unless Germany and also Austria aren't part of Europe.
I'm in nearly the same boat: i7 860 (purchased 6 years ago lol) and a gtx 970, and just started doing VR and get occasional stutter. Usually just the Lab loading screens are bad enough I need to close my eyes. Everything else works well.
I was thinking of Kaby Lake, but will hold tight until more details and reviews are out on both.
Norway mostly, but even in the Netherlands, ordering from Germany. That RX480 certainly is NOT below 200 bucks as promised. They get bought by Bitcoin miners as they are more efficient and use less power than the earlier GCN cards. I mean get a 1060 for like a few bucks more... and some of the overclocked (as I said SOME) 8gb's are close to cheap 1070's.
Look it up man.
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01M63W0CK/
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01M2WXRRZ/
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01K1JTT8S/
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01INKRH2M/
Not sayign you should buy that, as you can get a 8GB RX480 for under 300, but it makes you think, some of those overclocked ones are pricey fuckers.
You can get a cheap 1070 for that and have a better card. And why? Because the price is driven up by people using that card to mine. It is a lot more efficient than the previous GCN cards. The 1060 6GB is just cheaper and performs better.... sorry but please don't deny that. We have to be brutal and honest with AMD, as fans, or they'll never improve. Those Sony and MS dollars keep them a float, and they don't care if bitcoin miners buy their cards as a "sale is a sale". But it is ruining their gaming image.
If we want them to improve, we need them to help us out... get our grubby hands on those sub 200 RX480's 8gb's ...then we are talking!
Wat? In no universe are Bitcoin miners buying GPUs today.
You can get a cheap 1070 for that and have a better card. And why? Because the price is driven up by people using that card to mine.
You'd be surprised. It isn't all FPGA, some idiots are still mining with GPU"s. Don't underestimate the RX480's flop count.
http://cryptomining-blog.com/7911-amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-is-now-official-and-looks-promising/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1584834.0
http://www.helenabitcoinmining.com/...age-of-amd-radeon-rx-480-for-ethereum-mining/
It is a very efficient little parallel processing unit.
I can't believe they had Titan XPs on the Battlefield 1 demo.. bizarre.
Put dual Fury X if you need to or the new Vega chip like at the end... How does the marketing team allow that to happen?
those prices are total bs, http://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...Single-Fan-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--R_1127871.html 200€ 4gb red dragon 480
and 8gb sapphire nitro were available for 230-250€
those prices are total bs, http://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...Single-Fan-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--R_1127871.html 200 4gb red dragon 480
and 8gb sapphire nitro were available for 230-250
DO they deliver to Norway? Or is it a German Only thing?
Also the 3GB GTX 1060 (even with less shaders than it's larger sibling) still beats it for the same price. AMD needs to get that thing well under that price and offer more performance for less, or people will keep going for Nvidia. So if they perform "as well" as a 3GB GTX 1060 (and then I'm being kind here..) they should offer it for 175 in Europe.. otherwise people will keep going for "what they know". Which is Nvidia.. and believe me I don't like the dominance Nvidia has at the moment, it is .. very annoying.
Amazon btw does deliver to Norway.
Norway mostly, but even in the Netherlands, ordering from Germany. That RX480 certainly is NOT below 200 bucks as promised. They get bought by Bitcoin miners as they are more efficient and use less power than the earlier GCN cards. I mean get a 1060 for like a few bucks more... and some of the overclocked (as I said SOME) 8gb's are close to cheap 1070's.
Look it up man.
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01M63W0CK/
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01M2WXRRZ/
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01K1JTT8S/
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01INKRH2M/
Not sayign you should buy that, as you can get a 8GB RX480 for under 300, but it makes you think, some of those overclocked ones are pricey fuckers.
You can get a cheap 1070 for that and have a better card. And why? Because the price is driven up by people using that card to mine. It is a lot more efficient than the previous GCN cards. The 1060 6GB is just cheaper and performs better.... sorry but please don't deny that. We have to be brutal and honest with AMD, as fans, or they'll never improve. Those Sony and MS dollars keep them a float, and they don't care if bitcoin miners buy their cards as a "sale is a sale". But it is ruining their gaming image.
If we want them to improve, we need them to help us out... get our grubby hands on those sub 200 RX480's 8gb's ...then we are talking!
Why would you link to way overprized amazon offers? I'm sure, I'll be able to find a 1060 6GB for 400 if I search enough.
480 8GB is available starting at ~245, 480 4GB available starting at ~199 (which is slightly below 200 just like promised AMD never promised the 8GB version to be 200 btw.), see: http://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&asd=on&asuch=rx 480
1060 6GB starts at 260, i.e it's slightly more expensive!
And I'm absolutely gonna have to deny that 1060 is faster than RX 480, because it isn't if you look at their current performance:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...945-gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-updated-review-23.html
In practical game tests the 1060 is winning. I know that in some DX12 tests the RX480 is winning. But just look at the DX 11 (which is 90% of all the games out there!) OpenGL and even Vulcan tests.. and the 1060 pulls ahead.
https://www.hardwareunboxed.com/rx-480-8gb-vs-gtx-1060-6gb-battle-of-the-mid-range-contenders/
The moment you go to DX11 and openGL Nvidia has AMD beat. Now I do agree, DX12 is were the future is headed, but we aren't there right now... and a faster adoption of AMD cars would actually speed us along on that path. Sadly though, AMD will have to price themselves better (As I keep saying over and over here, and I'll stop after this post, as AMD fans will soon pile on me like crazy if I keep at this... so it becomes pointless).
Maybe with the Driver issues Nvidia had as of late, people will look to the AMD cards as a good replacement (VEGA when it launches), but that is a long shot. As it is now, gamers are where Nvidia is at, and if you want them on your Birthday party? You're going to have to offer more cake for that same gift price.. or the same cake for a better gift price.
AMD is looking at the latter. Better DX 12 equal or worse DX11 performance... (as I've stated the whole time and then I'm being kind on the DX11 front). So the gift price for the party has to be ALOT lower for the cake they are handing out!
Why is that a bad thing, they had the best single GPU available to test RyZen's performance in a few games.......It's not a bad thing to use a competitors product is such tests, especially if the competitors product is the leading product in a specific performance scale. That's being transparent and avoids any talk of fake stats etc...The other thing is they could not show Vega yet, they basically gave a glimpse of it but could not show anything because it's not officially unveiled yet.I can't believe they had Titan XPs on the Battlefield 1 demo.. bizarre.
Put dual Fury X if you need to or the new Vega chip like at the end... How does the marketing team allow that to happen?
I doubt the 4C/4T and 4C/8T bins will be significantly cheaper than 7600K/7700K, in the tens of dollars at most. If they have a large pricing advantage it will be on 6/8-core bins, especially because Zen is only dual channel and less PCI-e lanes resulting in cheaper platform cost vs X99.
Indeed, for that price... I'll build my new righ tomorrow. Nice VEGA with a nice Ryzen 8 core in it . But... you just know that European Bitcoiners will buy up VEGA like crazy, and that price will be higher than the 1080TI in Europe .
Bitcoin mining is a serious issue for AMD's market, that they need to address. Maybe release bit coin mining version of VEGA that is about the same price but without a display port of any kind? If they don't they'll never make it back into the gaming GPU market as the miners are basically ruining their image.
In practical game tests the 1060 is winning. I know that in some DX12 tests the RX480 is winning. But just look at the DX 11 (which is 90% of all the games out there!) OpenGL and even Vulcan tests.. and the 1060 pulls ahead.
https://www.hardwareunboxed.com/rx-480-8gb-vs-gtx-1060-6gb-battle-of-the-mid-range-contenders/
The moment you go to DX11 and openGL Nvidia has AMD beat. Now I do agree, DX12 is were the future is headed, but we aren't there right now... and a faster adoption of AMD cars would actually speed us along on that path. Sadly though, AMD will have to price themselves better (As I keep saying over and over here, and I'll stop after this post, as AMD fans will soon pile on me like crazy if I keep at this... so it becomes pointless).
Maybe with the Driver issues Nvidia had as of late, people will look to the AMD cards as a good replacement (VEGA when it launches), but that is a long shot. As it is now, gamers are where Nvidia is at, and if you want them on your Birthday party? You're going to have to offer more cake for that same gift price.. or the same cake for a better gift price.
AMD is looking at the latter. Better DX 12 equal or worse DX11 performance... (as I've stated the whole time and then I'm being kind on the DX11 front). So the gift price for the party has to be ALOT lower for the cake they are handing out!
Can someone translate these stats into the new db super level powerscale?
No, you won't have a 90W CPU in your console.Interesting, this will probably be ps5 processor probably isn't?
Intel CPU is like super saiyian blue goku always one upping and staying ahead of vegeta in power level.
AMD new CPU is like old super saiyain 2 trunks powering up past super saiyian blue beating up super saiyian rose black goku out the middle of no where. Transformations don't meant shyt no more that is if the gains they say they made are accurate.
I hope that clears it up.
No, you won't have a 90W CPU in your console.
Too good to be true TBH.$1100 6900k 140W 8C/16T 3.2GHZ/3.7GHZ Boost is being matched by the 95W 8C/16T 3.4GHZ RyZen.
No, you won't have a 90W CPU in your console.