Still not understanding the value of these videos but as clickbait in the PC vs Console gamer war lol.
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Well it definitely flamed those fires
Still not understanding the value of these videos but as clickbait in the PC vs Console gamer war lol.
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But the only upgrade scenario that this scenario is actually useful for is if you own both a decent PC already, and an OG PS4 already and are trying to decide which of the two to upgrade. But I think if your PC is already fairly decent the answer is fairly simple in favor of the PC...don't need a video series for this.
If you only have an OG PS4, you'd have to buy an entire PC from scratch, so this upgraded "potato masher" is useless. If you only have a PC, you'd need to pay out of pocket for an entire new PS4 Pro, which is obviously worse bang for your buck than simply upgrading your GPU.
Still not understanding the value of these videos but as clickbait in the PC vs Console gamer war lol.
Much easier and clearer to do this with a comparison of buying a $399 PS4 Pro vs a new $399 PC. Not some convoluted mess.It's just meant as a way to compare a relatively close priced PC to the new console...
Then why didn't he just do this instead of some weird comparison with something that doesn't cost the same, uses donated parts, used parts, etc etc?if you take the time to find some good deals.. you could build a good PC that compares favorably to the $400 PS4 Pro.
But that's not what he's doing here. He's using a decent computer / parts he had around already, and for the original, used parts with extremely volatile prices. Most people don't have that luxury, so it's useless to them.it might be nice to know that you can get something that looks really close or better than that brand new PS4 Pro
But that's not what he did. He spent way more on the PC if you count the parts he had already or were donated, bought new parts, not including the GPU upgrade cost, etc etc. If you want to just show people you can spend relatively the same on a PC as a PS4 and get a better experience, just do that!I don't see how proving that you can build a similarly priced PC with similar gfx and performance to the console is really.. stoking the war..
I think the videos are interesting just off the fact alone that someone out there is trying to prove that you don't need an extremely expensive PC to have a good gaming experience.. and is taking the time to test and give their opinion on games, and is going rather in-depth with the whole thing.
I don't think it's clickbait at all... he's not lying about anything. And I don't see how proving that you can build a similarly priced PC with similar gfx and performance to the console is really.. stoking the war...
The jaguar CPU is still a mobile chip low power chip, and the 1060 is still much stronger than the Pro's GPU, which is a downclocked version of the 480 which was already weaker than the 1060
Basically, these results are in line with expectations Consoles can only go up from here, atleast in terms of CPU power
BF1 took over Crysis 3 as the #1 "how sick is my rig" benchmark.I understand this game is well regarded. Are people basing their system purchases on this game?
Much easier and clearer to do this with a comparison of buying a $399 PS4 Pro vs a new $399 PC. Not some convoluted mess.
Then why didn't he just do this instead of some weird comparison with something that doesn't cost the same, uses donated parts, used parts, etc etc?
But that's not what he's doing here. He's using a decent computer / parts he had around already, and for the original, used parts with extremely volatile prices. Most people don't have that luxury, so it's useless to them.
But that's not what he did. He spent way more on the PC if you count the parts he had already or were donated, bought new parts, not including the GPU upgrade cost, etc etc. If you want to just show people you can spend relatively the same on a PC as a PS4 and get a better experience, just do that!
This post exactly proves my point. If any of these things you mentioned was the goal of his video series, he would've done an infinitely better job by simply buying a $399 computer and avoiding all of this mess that largely invalidates his comparison. That's not to say I don't strongly believe that you can build a $399 PC that provides a good gaming experience, I absolutely do. I just take issue with this methodology.
Its not proving anything. Its misleading. He received free parts and IIRC "had an OS key lying around."
If someone wanted to do useful comparison they would actually build a PC for $400. Not "for just hundred or so more" BS but a hard cap at $400.
Everyone knows a more expensive PC will outperform the Pro.
Edit: Just saw your new post, but leaving this one anyway in case people wanted more details.
Because it's not 1800p, it's 1800p with checkerboard rendering.
When you double the dimensions of a resolution from 1080p to 2160p (also known as 4k), you increase the pixel count by 4. Checkerboard rendering at 2160p only renders half the true pixel count of the 4k resolution, essentially rendering the equivalent of 2x1080, instead of 4x1080 (which is full 4k).
Mass Effect Andromeda is not even rendering at this resolution. It's rendering at 1800p with checker-boarding. Meaning that instead of rendering at 2x1080p, it's rendering at 2x900p. Remember, true 1800p would be 4x the pixel count of 900p, while the PS4 pro is only rendering at half that, 2x900p.
A quick calculation yields that 2x900p is about 3/4 of the pixel count of a standard PC monitor's 2560x1440 resolution. This means that the PS4 pro is rendering the equivalent of a resolution that is higher than 1080p, but lower than 1440p. The difference in how demanding a 4k image is to render on PC vs a 1440p image is very large. 4k is significantly more demanding than 1440p, and the PS4 Pro is not even rendering at 1440p for this game.
To render at native 4k effectively, you would need a powerful, high bandwidth video card. Then, to render at 60fps, you again need a large increase in power, perhaps a 2x increase. The RX480 and GTX1060 are more powerful on paper than PS4 pro is. But they are not so much more powerful that it can run native 4k games where the PS4 pro is running checkerboard. Even if they were, you'd still need something roughly double the power to get double the framerate.
While there have been cases of games that run great on equivalent PC hardware, like Alien Isolation, these are rare instances. Usually, the console games aren't heavily CPU bottle-necked to the point that you can crank way higher framerates on PC with only equivalently powerful GPUs. My best educated guess would be that you would need something like a Pascal Titan to get 4k 60 on Mass Effect Andromeda. If the port is well optimized, and the console game actually could run higher in many scenes than it does but is capped at 30, then you might see it pulled off on a 1080, or overclocked 1070. But I would consider this to be somewhat unlikely.
So much salt in here.
The point of the video is to say "Hey guys, if you're interested in PC gaming, you don't need to take out a second mortgage to get good performance. With a little legwork it can even cost as low as what youd pay for a console!"
Not "fuck you pc is the bestorz it destroy cawnsoul with 1337 money gpu" or some shit.
It's measuring against a PS4 Pro not to say its just inherently better, it's meausuring against a PS4 because a lot of people have the idea that to get a PC that can play games like a PS4 theyd have to drop $2000.
Jeez get over it.
Wait, wait, wait. It's TWO Jaguar chips, essentially stacked on top of each other. So twice the power. two low power chips= one mid range chip.
I have no idea what I'm talking about
Is this 2006?PC route might be prettier but it means I have to deal with the vomit fest that is Windows.
Is this 2006?
That is not a $450 PC....
Lol you can't build a PC that can run 4K with 450. Absurd. You're looking at closer to 1500
So much salt in here.
The point of the video is to say "Hey guys, if you're interested in PC gaming, you don't need to take out a second mortgage to get good performance. With a little legwork it can even cost as low as what youd pay for a console!"
Not "fuck you pc is the bestorz it destroy cawnsoul with 1337 money gpu" or some shit.
It's measuring against a PS4 Pro not to say its just inherently better, it's meausuring against a PS4 because a lot of people have the idea that to get a PC that can play games like a PS4 theyd have to drop $2000.
Jeez get over it.
He isn't that far off.
It's bizarre to me how obsessed some PC fanboys are with the PS4/PS4 Pro...like serial killer bizarre...like they rate the value of their lives on whether their way of playing games is better than someone else's way of playing games.
I have a workstation that's a more than effective gaming rig, but that shit is on a rung below my PS4/PS4 Pro for gaming simply because there's nothing game wise on PC that I actually want on PS4 that I can't get on PS4. For me in all cases the graphics difference doesn't outwiegh the convenience, the lack of trash games by the metric ton and the social element of being able to relax in my living room and game. The only advantage is mouse aim accuracy and I'm about to get a Xim4 to go with my PS nav controller to resolve that.
My suggestion to insecure PC Fanboys is to just worry about being better gamers so you can enjoy your platform more than you do now, or accept that you want the exclusive PS4 content that you have no access to and augment your gaming experience with a PS4.
The constant dick measuring makes you look incredibly weak...nobody wants to see your johnson...believe me.
That's where all of this falls apart, if I was gifted used or old parts and spent the full budget on a gfx card I'd want way better than pro levels. What if I was gifted a pro do I win?.he built the original system from used and gifted parts upgraded the gpu to the 1060 for $270 or whatever
That's where all of this falls apart, if I was gifted used or old parts and spent the full budget on a gfx card I'd want way better than pro levels. What if I was gifted a pro do I win?.
Oh noes the OS!!!!!!!
You can get win10 for 10$ if thats what ruins this whole thing.
He isn't that far off.
i5 750 $40
Arctic Alpine 11 Cooler $10
Intel DZ68DB Motherboard $60
8GB AMD DDR3 Ram $20
Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB $240
EVGA 430W PSU $40
WD 320GB HDD $20
Azza CSAZ Case $20
Windows $25
Total $475
To be fair you can get a PS4 Pro for $380
There are a few points that pull this apart:
1. These prices don't work in the UK. Or any other country for that matter aside from the US. Here the Pro can be had for £300. That PC would cost closer to £500.
2. Where is the mouse, keyboard and monitor cost for that rig? Everyone has a TV to plug their Pro into. But people dont just have monitors laying around. And obviously you get a controller with the Pro in the price.
3. The OS as $25 is a complete gamble. See my above post.
There are a few points that pull this apart:
1. These prices don't work in the UK. Or any other country for that matter aside from the US. Here the Pro can be had for £300. That PC would cost closer to £500.
2. Where is the mouse, keyboard and monitor cost for that rig? Everyone has a TV to plug their Pro into. But people dont just have monitors laying around. And obviously you get a controller with the Pro in the price.
3. The OS as $25 is a complete gamble. See my above post.
disagree about the monitor.. the problem with that list is the used parts. if you want to go down that route its fine, but you cant then compare it to brick an dmorter prices for a ps4. you have to use ebay ps4 used prices. no experience with those 10$ windows keys either so i have no idea how legit they are
disagree about the monitor.. the problem with that list is the used parts. if you want to go down that route its fine, but you cant then compare it to brick an dmorter prices for a ps4. you have to use ebay ps4 used prices. no experience with those 10$ windows keys either so i have no idea how legit they are
The point of these comparisons isn't to show that any random user can put together a PC that costs the same as a mass-produced entertainment device and performs way better. If it makes platform warriors settle down it should be stated as clearly as possible: you can't build a new PC, including the operating system and mouse and keyboard, that costs the same and performs the same as the PS4 Pro or the PS4 for that matter. There, now that that's over with, let's discuss why that is and why these comparisons are still very useful in multiple ways.
except that is the very point of his potato masher videos
disagree about the monitor.. the problem with that list is the used parts. if you want to go down that route its fine, but you cant then compare it to brick an dmorter prices for a ps4. you have to use ebay ps4 used prices. no experience with those 10$ windows keys either so i have no idea how legit they are
except that is the very point of his potato masher videos
There's a line when you talk system building and I think you can go too cheap.
$600 is about the line when you're talking a gaming system. I priced one out and came to $640, and you get:
Core V21 Case, EVGA 600W bronze, ASUS AM3+ motherboard, AMD FX-6300 with free Deus Ex code, Hyper Evo 212 Heatsink/Fan, MSI Armor RX 480 4GB, 2x4GB DDR3-1866, WD Blue 1TB HDD, KB/M, Wireless 360 pad+dongle, Win10, ASUS BD drive.
This PC will be 35-40% more powerful than a PS4Pro, all games will benefit from the GPU power, not just a limited segment, and no online fees. Not much reason to have the BD Drive, could swap it for a jump to 8GB VRAM. EVO 212 isn't needed, but trust me you don't want to listen to a stock AMD fan while gaming.
He isn't that far off.
i5 750 $40
Arctic Alpine 11 Cooler $10
Intel DZ68DB Motherboard $60
8GB AMD DDR3 Ram $20
Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB $240
EVGA 430W PSU $40
WD 320GB HDD $20
Azza CSAZ Case $20
Windows $25
Total $475
To be fair you can get a PS4 Pro for $380
Wow, this thread.
The party line is how PC gaming is all about spending thousands of dollars and constant upgrades. Video series like the Potato Masher showing budget PC gaming as not only viable but extremely competitive to low-cost consoles throws that idea out of the window. It must be upsetting to have proof shut down the fallacies people have been repeating for years, which explains the replies in this thread.
There's a line when you talk system building and I think you can go too cheap.
$600 is about the line when you're talking a gaming system. I priced one out and came to $640, and you get:
Core V21 Case, EVGA 600W bronze PSU, ASUS AM3+ motherboard, AMD FX-6300 with free Deus Ex code, Hyper Evo 212 Heatsink/Fan, MSI Armor RX 480 4GB, 2x4GB DDR3-1866, WD Blue 1TB HDD, KB/M, Wireless 360 pad+dongle, Win10, ASUS BD drive.
This PC will be 35-40% more powerful than a PS4Pro, all games will benefit from the GPU power, not just a limited segment, and no online fees. Not much reason to have the BD Drive, could swap it for a jump to 8GB VRAM. EVO 212 isn't needed, but trust me you don't want to listen to a stock AMD fan while gaming unless you're looking for that authentic launch PS4 fan volume.
even $450 seems expensive to build a computer to match a ps4 pro. i just dumpster dive outside my nearest electronic store and built a rig that runs games at 4k 60 fps so i don't even know why anyone would waste money on a ps4 pro when you can get a pc out of the trash for free
Bloody hell is this real or is this some kind of prank? If it's true then that's pretty darn amazing.