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[Gotdatmoney]

It's not an excuse when I'm actively looking for proof to further solidify his claims which I believe to be highly probable. That was just my interim answer. Also, I did not notice that you were not him so that's a mistake on my part.

Okay fair enough

No but my reasoning for that is not simply "it's a spin-off".

Imo it is because

1) its the vanilla version and 4U was the ultimate version. Given that it was only about a year between the launches it wasn't primed for doubling up
2) 4U launched in the west with a major hardware revision which certainly garnered more interest
3) 4U is better
4) Fatigue. 3rd monster hunter game on 3DS.

 

[Oregano]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

????

 

[Interfectum]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

Where are they sticking around at?

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

The loyal fanbase who for the most part assumed the game would never be made, but will now actually get to play it on their platform of choice?

 

[Herb Alpert]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

what

 

[LordOcidax]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

lol

 

[KingSnake]

So they dont expect to sell anything, but they are willing to essentially piss off 3 other ecosystems with a 12 month exclusivity clause?

That's a very personal way to treat a business collaboration that's pretty common these days. Everybody has "first on Xbox One", "first on PS4" games on stage at big events.

 

[Shadow Broker]

That's really shitty to leak this kind of deals at this point in time. Both for the devs and Nintendo.

I've been thinking and saying this for a while.

It's her job.

Bullshit. She's doing this for the attention. If I were working on anything she has leaked I would've been pissed.

All that hard work gets spoiled by a attention __________.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

The game doesnt have a loyal fanbase. W/e planet people are living on where a $60 full budget boxed retail version of this franchise sells millions is delusional.

Obviously money was handed off though.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

You realize the original game came out on the Gamecube too, right? Or are only PS and Xbox gamers considered part of the "loyal fanbase"?

 

[DriftingSpirit]

So they dont expect to sell anything, but they are willing to essentially piss off 3 other ecosystems with a 12 month exclusivity clause?

I'm wondering now if Nintendo actually did pay for development and Ubi simply would not hand it over as a full exclusive

I don't think any of these deals are to sell consoles. Well, they'll sell consoles for particular folk but not large scale console movement. It is just to diversify their catalog and achieve a specific outcome.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Good. I rather get the definitive edition.

 

[FATALITY]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

 

[MacTag]

I'd argue that some of those are prequels but that's not the point here. I'm not saying that spin-offs must have radically different gameplay. It's just that, in my opinion, spin-offs that are similar to the mainline series are less likely to alienate fans of the main series. MHX falls under that umbrella which is why I think that the decrease in sales for MHX is in part a typical franchise sales drop rather than solely because it's a spin-off

Well, it's very clearly a spinoff none the less and one that Capcom wasn't expecting mainline series sales for. Even though they got them.

As for MHGen's slight drop from MH4U's western sales, I don't think the spinoff element is the only factor either. Releasing just a year after 4U is a pretty big potential issue for a game like MHGen (core fanbase was still playing 4U), and the game's quite a bit easier like the Freedom/Portable games which might turn off some fans, as could the fact it's mostly all old environments, weapons and monsters. Also MH4U rode the n3DS launch while MHGen didn't have any hardware launch to tie in for. That Gen sold through nearly as well as 4U anyway despite all this (165k vs 195k their 1st NPDs) is pretty encouraging though.

 

[friskykillface]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

lol

2003 man
13 years ago it released and didn't sell well

how did the HD version sell?
Their fanbase is small af so be glad Nintendo helped out or it'd still be dead

 

[DriftingSpirit]

I've been thinking and saying this for a while.

What difference do these leaks make in the grand scheme of things?

 

[psyfi]

Cool, I hope it's fun.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Hahah. Auch.

I dont get this from Ubisoft and Nintendo but heck I didnt get the Bayonetta deal either and if true I dont get this.

Bayonetta didnt save the WiiU, this wont do anything for the Switch as we know we all can play it a year later.

Every game does something for the system released on, and BG&E is definitely a game that would fit for a Nintendo console and demographic, probably a much better fit than the XOne/PS4 demographic.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I really did not think people would be salty about this.. not a big deal. Look how fast rise of tomb raider came out on PS4. Cant even tell it was delayed.

 

[pixelation]

Wow. DOA

That first post.

 

[Dabanton]

I really did not think people would be salty about this.. not a big deal. Look how fast rise of tomb raider came out on PS4. Cant even tell it was delayed.

How well did Tomb Raider sell on PS4 coming out all those months later?

 

[Inuhanyou]

That's a very personal way to treat a business collaboration that's pretty common these days. Everybody has "first on Xbox One", "first on PS4" games on stage at big events.

I guess my confusion comes from the fact that the game is pretty small and is a timed exclusive no less. Who will go out and buy a switch specifically to play Beyond Good and Evil 2 with timed exclusivity?

Its not even a bayo situation where the game gets a lot of people SUPER angry and would not be made without Nintendo's intervention but was still clearly an ambitious core game that a lot of people, including myself broke down and bought a wii u for.

Selling a sequel on switch almost 14 years after the first game despite the remasters only being on 360 and PS3 kinda make me wonder if they are aiming this to be an actual reboot of the franchise.

Not only that, but the game itself was coming out regardless of this deal, its been in the pipe for years since that first beach trailer...

 

[Shadow Broker]

What difference do these leaks make in the grand scheme of things?

Mind if I use you in this example?

You're a dev with a fanbase. Your fanbase has been asking for said game for awhile. Your company strikes a deal with a console maker. YOU WORK YOUR ASS OFF to make this game possible and you're excited to see it announced and shown at a event and it's meant to be a surprised.

Here comes a twit with no talent who just happened to have a source.

Fuck all the work you put in and steam the reveal teaser could have build for your title be a use it went from a surprise to expected.

Think I'm lying. Look at what happened for the Switch when it was revealed. Gaf reaction: yeah we've been discussing this for a while now. Why the fuck did Nintendo take so long?



Usually I would not be bothered at all by leaks. At this point this lady just won't shut it long enough for Nintendo to say their piece. She's using Nintendo's event to stay relavent.

 

[Dabanton]

I've been thinking and saying this for a while.

Bullshit. She's doing this for the attention. If I were working on anything she has leaked I would've been pissed.

All that hard work gets spoiled by a attention __________.

She writes about games, this is her job, maybe employees shouldn't be breaking their NDA's and sharing info with her. That's where most of this stuff comes from.

I'd personally be pissed at colleagues who have weak tongues.

 

[Interfectum]

Think I'm lying. Look at what happened for the Switch when it was revealed. Gaf reaction: yeah we've been discussing this for a while now. Why they fuck did Nintendo take so long?

Youtube views for Switch reveal: ~23 million

Early leaks are not relevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I don't think any of these deals are to sell consoles. Well, they'll sell consoles for particular folk but not large scale console movement. It is just to diversify their catalog and achieve a specific outcome.

Seeing this post, i think that might be their intent..but i think they will have to try much harder than a timed exclusivity period to do that.

 

[Red Devil]

Hahah. Auch.

I dont get this from Ubisoft and Nintendo but heck I didnt get the Bayonetta deal either and if true I dont get this.

Bayonetta didnt save the WiiU, this wont do anything for the Switch as we know we all can play it a year later.

Eh, even if it was exclusive to Switch it might be worse than Bayonetta 2 on Wii U saleswise.

 

[whyamihere]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

lol, what????

 

[Akainu]

Capcom is selling millions of copies of Monster Hunter on Nintendo every year with over a million of those being in the West(even got no.1 in the US charts).

That game sold on the psp. Try again.

...maybe you did still reading thread.

 

[Ridley327]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

What kind of a loyal fanbase can there be for a game that was released on everything that could run it?

 

[NateDrake]

That game sold on the psp. Try again.

...maybe you did still reading thread.

Yes, in Japan. Monster Hunter has grown in popularity in the Western market thanks to Nintendo assisting in marketing the game.

 

[Shadow Broker]

She writes about games, this is her job, maybe employees shouldn't be breaking their NDA's and sharing info with her. That's where most of this stuff comes from.

I'd personally be pissed at colleagues who have weak tongues.

Youtube views for Switch reveal: ~23 million

Early leaks are not relevant in the grand scheme of things.

I'm alittle sensitive right now to leaks and with people who like to talk about stuff that's not public knowledge yet. I've just seen the negative side of things recently because asshole wanted to talk about things they weren't clear to talk about. I'm probably overreacting. Will drop it.


Not in the video game industry.

 

[KingSnake]

I guess my confusion comes from the fact that the game is pretty small. Who will go out and buy a switch specifically to play Beyond Good and Evil 2 timed exclusivity?

Its not even a bayo situation where the game gets a lot of people SUPER angry and would not be made without Nintendo's intervention but was still clearly an ambitious core game that a lot of people, including myself broke down and bought a wii u for.

Selling a sequel on switch almost 14 years after the first game despite the remasters only being on 360 and PS3 kinda make me wonder if they are aiming this to be an actual reboot of the franchise.

Not only that, but the game itself was coming out regardless of this deal, its been in the pipe for years since that first beach trailer...

It's not about somebody going out to buy a Switch just BG&E 2 and I don't understand why even this kind of question exists? Especially from a gamer. Almost nobody buys a console for just 1 game. Despite whatever one would say to others or to himself, almost nobody spends over $199 just for 1 game. So BG&E 2 will add to the "positive" arguments for getting Switch, maybe for some enough to push them into the buying decision.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Hahah. Auch.

I dont get this from Ubisoft and Nintendo but heck I didnt get the Bayonetta deal either and if true I dont get this.

Bayonetta didnt save the WiiU, this wont do anything for the Switch as we know we all can play it a year later.

I can't tell if posts like this are feigning ignorance or being serious. When were these titles positioned as "saving" their respective consoles? You think Microsoft got Tomb Raider to save the Xbox? Of Sony with SF5? These are titles to fill in perceived holes in their lineup, to draw in fans of those respective titles, to encourage devs to make more of them if they sell well. It's like some of you prop these up just so you have justification to tear down the deals when they don't reach your impossibly lofty imagined goals

 

[Oregano]

That game sold on the psp. Try again.

...maybe you did still reading thread.

It selling on PSP is irrelevant to the point...

 

[Gxgear]

Lose-lose-lose situation if true. Nintendo money-hatting a non-system seller, Ubisoft buries another IP, the game doesn't get to most of the folks that wanted the sequel.

 

[Ridley327]

Lose-lose-lose situation if true. Nintendo money-hatting a non-system seller, Ubisoft buries another IP, the game doesn't get to most of the folks that wanted the sequel.

But it does? It's still going to be released on other platforms.

 

[LordKano]

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

See ? Bayonetta 2 all over again.

 

[dickroach]

But it does? It's still going to be released on other platforms.

Zombi was released on other platforms. no one gave a shit

 

[KingSnake]

Zombi was released on other platforms. no one gave a shit

In a way this comparison is pretty relevant, Zombi had almost the same loyal fanbase as BG&E.

 

[AgeEighty]

It's a Zelda-like with a super European art style that mixes several genres together. If it was released today, people would be saying that they would check it out once it hits PS+, and then complain about it being offered on PS+ a year later instead of a "proper" AAA game.

It's kind of amazing that it happened in the first place, because it was weird as hell even for 2003.

BG&E certainly does blend elements from a few different genres (there's at least as much MGS in there as there is Zelda), but lots of titles do that. I wouldn't say it's any more of a niche title than, say, Ratchet and Clank.

Wow, if this is true it's a GREAT way to ensure it gets crap sells and pisses off the loyal fanbase that has stuck around with this game for all these years .

You're right, you should definitely be more pissed off that someone like Nintendo paid for the game to exist than you are happy that it exists at all. You were robbed of your non-existent PS4/Xbox One game in exchange for, what? A game that actually exists but is late? Bullshit, right?

Some of the posts in this thread stink to high heaven of misery and entitlement.

NeoGAF, the Thread.

 

[wild wild rice]

I hope the game mirror's Homer's Odyssey with Jade going on an epic journey through the cosmos to get home.

I need to replay BG&E HD sometime soon.

Some of the posts in this thread stink to high heaven of misery and entitlement.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Along with all the regular insanity of video game discussion, we now have people so upset at leakers that they're calling them "attention whores".

 

[AquaWateria]

This thread made me realize one thing.

BG&E was a mistake......lol

 

[Red Devil]

What kind of a loyal fanbase can there be for a game that was released on everything that could run it?

The Game Cube fanbase I guess...

Lose-lose-lose situation if true. Nintendo money-hatting a non-system seller, Ubisoft buries another IP, the game doesn't get to most of the folks that wanted the sequel.

If this turns out to be true got to see to which extent the bolded part happened, what if this turns into another Rayman Legends situation? If it stood exclusive to Switch then they very likely threw money to a game that likely won't sell well regardless.

 

[wild wild rice]

This thread made me realize one thing.

BG&E was a mistake......lol

Nah, in the end the fans will end up playing and enjoying the game while the deplorables will have moved on to something else to be irrationally spiteful about.

 

[ultrazilla]

But Vivendi isn't trying to take over Ubisoft; we know because they told us so. They're only increasing their stake dangerously close to 51% because... um... Hey, look over there!

*CLIP*

My gut feeling(which tends to usually be pretty damn spot on) is that Ubisoft and Nintendo have most likely "talked". I think those talks would probably encompass Ubisoft becoming a second party/being bought out by Nintendo with the agreement that Ubisoft will *still* be able to make games for other systems but Nintendo will obviously get those games first and foremost. This would allow Ubisoft to basically continue on without the threat of Vivendi continually coming after them, they still pretty much are allowed to remain independant and Nintendo reaps those benefits with Ubi. I'll mark this post for future reference......

 

[Gxgear]

But it does? It's still going to be released on other platforms.

A year later maybe? I suppose it's not a total loss.

If this turns out to be true got to see to which extent the bolded part happened, what if this turns into another Rayman Legends situation? If it stood exclusive to Switch then they very likely threw money to a game that likely won't sell well regardless.

I'm not familiar with what happened with Rayman Legends care to fill me in? If BG&E2 isn't paid for by Nintendo, then I can only guess it's a low cost method for Ubisoft to fulfill their commitment to Switch in lieu of porting their main franchises.

 

[Ashtar]

This seems like a terrible idea

 

[AgeEighty]

My gut feeling(which tends to usually be pretty damn spot on) is that Ubisoft and Nintendo have most likely "talked". I think those talks would probably encompass Ubisoft becoming a second party/being bought out by Nintendo with the agreement that Ubisoft will *still* be able to make games for other systems but Nintendo will obviously get those games first and foremost. This would allow Ubisoft to basically continue on without the threat of Vivendi continually coming after them, they still pretty much are allowed to remain independant and Nintendo reaps those benefits with Ubi. I'll mark this post for future reference......

That would be pretty atypical of anything Nintendo has done before, and from Ubisoft's perspective I'm not sure what reason they'd have for thinking dependence under Nintendo would be dramatically better than dependence under Vivendi. They want to stay independent, which is the whole reason for opposing the acquisition.

Acquiring just enough stock in the company to prevent Vivendi from obtaining a majority share (but not to own Ubi themselves) is more realistic, but still seems out of character for Nintendo.