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[bomb]

So fucking what

so why is everyone complaining that Nintendo could have paid for exclusivity? It's less than 1%. They are hoping to push it as probably their main 3rd party triple AAA. Sony and Microsoft pay for exclusives all the time.

btw I'm on your side.

 

[xenorevlis]

so why is everyone complaining that Nintendo could have paid for exclusivity? It's less than 1%. They are hoping to push it as probably their main 3rd party triple AAA. Sony and Microsoft pay for exclusives all the time.

Maybe because they can? Beyond Good & Evil is one of my favorite games and I played it on PS2, own it on PS3 and PC. It originally released for PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, and PC. People complained about Tomb Raider being exclusive for nearly a year since that was historically a PlayStation and PC franchise. After years of Ancel and Ubi teasing it's release to find out it will only be on Switch for the first year will make fans mad if they don't plan on buying a handheld-console hybrid because they don't play Nintendo games and already own more powerful systems.

 

[maxcriden]

I wouldn't expect any other major 3rd party titles tbh. Just ports.

Rabbids as well, no?

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Maybe because they can? Beyond Good & Evil is one of my favorite games and I played it on PS2, own it on PS3 and PC. It originally released for PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, and PC. People complained about Tomb Raider being exclusive for nearly a year since that was historically a PlayStation and PC franchise. After years of Ancel and Ubi teasing it's release to find out it will only be on Switch for the first year will make fans mad if they don't plan on buying a handheld-console hybrid because they don't play Nintendo games and already own more powerful systems.

Where were all these people when the previous long-standing rumour came out about it being a full exclusive and not timed?

Considering that was the alternative we've been working with the whole time since then, I really don't see what there is to complain about. Not now.

 

[AniHawk]

Maybe because they can? Beyond Good & Evil is one of my favorite games and I played it on PS2, own it on PS3 and PC. It originally released for PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, and PC. People complained about Tomb Raider being exclusive for nearly a year since that was historically a PlayStation and PC franchise. After years of Ancel and Ubi teasing it's release to find out it will only be on Switch for the first year will make fans mad if they don't plan on buying a handheld-console hybrid because they don't play Nintendo games and already own more powerful systems.

i also played beyond good & evil: on ps2 and 360. i've played it three times between those two versions and it's one of my favorite games. i'm so happy it's coming and i'm excited to play it on switch and if it is coming out on other platforms, fans should be happy to play it there too.

there is no loser in this situation. if you (from now on, i'm speaking about the general you and not the specific you) want to play the game asap, buy a switch and get that version. if you want to wait for it on a platform you already own, be excited and happy that it will come out for the platform you already own. if you get mad because you don't have a platform that it's on, that's on you for not buying that platform.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

Dunno, when I think BGE, I don't think of Nintendo.

Actually, I don't think of any system. If Nintendo paid for development, then fuck it. They deserve it.

Also, I really hope this isn't why we haven't heard from wild for a while now.

 

[Benzychenz]

Digital only for the ports makes me wonder about the budget.

Unless Nintendo paid for that as well.

 

[Oersted]

I wouldn't expect any other major 3rd party titles tbh. Just ports.

Ports? Sounds like a home console.

 

[butman]

No retail versions on PS4/XBOX? Looks like i'm sticking with the switch version

It's a Switch based game. You can perfectly download it while you make a coffee.

 

[AniHawk]

Dunno, when I think BGE, I don't think of Nintendo.

Actually, I don't think of any system. If Nintendo paid for development, then fuck it. They deserve it.

Also, I really hope this isn't why we haven't heard from wild for a while now.

apparently ancel's been working at ubisoft in the day and at his own place at night. the two games are being done at the same time.

also - wild can fuck right off if it was yet another title interfering with a game i've wanted for fourteen goddamn years.

 

[10k]

All three dozen beyond good and evil fans who didn't play it on the gamecube are outraged.

If Nintendo didn't co-market or finance this it would likely be a dead IP still.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Well, the good news is this rumor can easily be verified or discredited by the time the Switch conference happens.

 

[Meesh]

I think they should release BG&E on virtual console for Switch to hype the upcoming sequel

 

[Astral Dog]

Rayman. Bayonetta. BG&E. Three games that less than 1% of the gaming community have purchased.

Ok i just read the rest

 

[Hero of Legend]

I think they should release BG&E on virtual console for Switch to hype the upcoming sequel

Why not include it in the retail release ala Bayonetta? They already did an HD version, so they have the assets ready to go.

 

[LuuKyK]

Digital only for the ports makes me wonder about the budget.

Same here.

If that's true then I am expecting a smaller scale game.

 

[shouamabane]

BG&E 2 is exactly the sort of thing I want out of a Nintendo system. Switch will be chiefly an exclusives based machine for me. I just need a few more 1st party exclusives on the 12th and at E3.

 

[DangerMouse]

Do you think Zelda for Wii U has been delayed because of the Switch? I do, but we will probably never truly know. I'm not about to flip out and boycott the game because of it.

Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case though like you I'm still going to get it and not punish them for it as it's a pretty obvious decision for them to make, for my Wii U, while seeing how the Switch pans out for a bit unless there are some crazy launch titles. Xenoblade X took longer to come than I expected so I may not jump in right away this time, but Monolith Soft will likely eventually get me to buy a Switch just by themselves lol.

 

[Shiggy]

Rabbids as well, no?

That's more a Nintendo-Ubi cooperation. I think it could be fairly popular, with both the Rabbids and Mario franchises being family favourites. The Rabbids also bring in a unique sense of humour, which should make it quite appealing. Quality-wise we shall see, others have said it's nothing to get too excited about.

Ports? Sounds like a home console.

Yes, so not much to get excited about compared to an exclusive that's been long anticipated by a small hardcore group.

 

[Hale-XF11]

Stay safe, I ignored all Rise of the Tomb Raider threads until it came to PS4. That being said Beyond Good and Evil is way more important to me than Tomb Raider, maybe you'll end up getting a Switch for it? Depends if any other games do it for you.

Not likely. I've been done with Nintendo for quite some time now and nothing they've got planned that I know of interests me at the moment. I also just got a PS4 recently, so that's going to be my main platform for the rest of this gen.

 

[Benzychenz]

How's the PS3 port of the first game?

Should I play that or track down a Gamecube copy?

 

[Gurnlei]

I can read the excitement in Laura's tweet.

 

[TDLink]

People have a right to be justified in bitching about timed exclusivity. That said, it does seem like when it happens with Microsoft or Sony the bitching is either rare or extremely quiet, yet the odd time when it happens with Nintendo it is quite loud. Let's not pretend that double standard doesn't exist.

Taking that into consideration, the rumour was previously that this game would be exclusive to Switch full stop. So the fact that it's been downgraded to timed exclusive is good for everyone.

 

[Jawbreaker]

People have a right to be justified in bitching about timed exclusivity. That said, it does seem like when it happens with Microsoft or Sony the bitching is either rare or extremely quiet, yet the odd time when it happens with Nintendo it is quite loud. Let's not pretend that double standard doesn't exist.

Taking that into consideration, the rumour was previously that this game would be exclusive to Switch full stop. So the fact that it's been downgraded to timed exclusive is good for everyone.

Check out the Tomb Raider deal for Microsoft or timed DLC threads for Sony.

 

[Poimandres]

People have a right to be justified in bitching about timed exclusivity. That said, it does seem like when it happens with Microsoft or Sony the bitching is either rare or extremely quiet, yet the odd time when it happens with Nintendo it is quite loud. Let's not pretend that double standard doesn't exist.

Taking that into consideration, the rumour was previously that this game would be exclusive to Switch full stop. So the fact that it's been downgraded to timed exclusive is good for everyone.

The double standard DOES NOT EXIST.

People see what they want to see.

 

[xenorevlis]

Where were all these people when the previous long-standing rumour came out about it being a full exclusive and not timed?

Considering that was the alternative we've been working with the whole time since then, I really don't see what there is to complain about. Not now.

They were there. I was even there if it was only going to be for Wii U. Not everyone wants a Nintendo platform and I'm not talking about me, either (I grew up with Nintendo and am optimistic about Switch).

there is no loser in this situation. if you (from now on, i'm speaking about the general you and not the specific you) want to play the game asap, buy a switch and get that version. if you want to wait for it on a platform you already own, be excited and happy that it will come out for the platform you already own. if you get mad because you don't have a platform that it's on, that's on you for not buying that platform.

I understand that you feel this way, but taking something that was multiplatform in it's origin and remasters and causing a delay to multiplatform release is still a fine enough reason for people who do not want a Nintendo platform because they don't play Nintendo games. The picture you paint of people being happy for each other is ideal and I wish it were the case, but my point was simply that people will get upset and with validity.

 

[EloquentM]

People have a right to be justified in bitching about timed exclusivity. That said, it does seem like when it happens with Microsoft or Sony the bitching is either rare or extremely quiet, yet the odd time when it happens with Nintendo it is quite loud. Let's not pretend that double standard doesn't exist.

Taking that into consideration, the rumour was previously that this game would be exclusive to Switch full stop. So the fact that it's been downgraded to timed exclusive is good for everyone.

yeah this isn't true at all lol. Consumers absolutely loathe timed exclusives and for good reason (which is why this leak should be good news for people ahead of time if Nintendo/Ubisoft doesn't make it public that it's timed). Unfortunately it's part of the business though.

If this was a bayonetta 2 situation I wouldn't have any pity for the whiners.

 

[bman94]

Stick me in the "shouldn't just been Switch exclusive only" camp. This timed nonsense is a waste of money.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

We don't know the full picture; this could be a SFV-like scenario where Nintendo's contribution has allowed for it's continued development.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ubisoft and Nintendo have a deal where if the Rabbids RPG thing is happening then Nintendo will help support BG&E2 (hence the timed exclusivity).

 

[Mifune]

Sucks that we'll have to wait a year for a far superior technical presentation. I want a new BG&E to look as amazing as possible. But I probably will suck it up and get it for Switch.

 

[Can Crusher]

Paying a third party company to make a game a timed exclusive for your system? Nintendo do some dumb moves from time to time but this one is among the smart ones.

And for Ubisoft to receive cash for a game that has a high chance to bomb? Yeah that's smart too.

Yes. This thing that happens all the time in 2016 on every other console and works just fine. What a dumb move.

It's a dumb move for Ubisoft, because unless Switch fires on all cylinders this "franchise" revival is dead on arrival. Unnecessary risk.

Also, the notion by some that Nintendo is somehow funding this game into existence is ridiculous.

 

[Machina]

Is the Mushroom Kingdom Defense Force that is at work in this thread gonna be as animated in their defense when Jim Sterling inevitably makes a video tearing this whole arrangement apart?

 

[TwistedFreeze]

It's a dumb move for Ubisoft, because unless Switch fires on all cylinders this "franchise" revival is dead on arrival. Unnecessary risk.

Also, the notion by some that Nintendo is somehow funding this game into existence is ridiculous.

LOL A game like Beyond Good and Evil 2 was gonna be DOA regardless of what platform it launched on, much like the last game

 

[Bluth54]

It's a dumb move for Ubisoft, because unless Switch fires on all cylinders this "franchise" revival is dead on arrival. Unnecessary risk.

Also, the notion by some that Nintendo is somehow funding this game into existence is ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous that Nintendo's funding is what's getting this game made similar to Bayonetta 2? It's not like Rise of the Tomb Raider where they were clearly going to make another game and Microsoft just bought exclusivity. It seemed unlikely Beyond Good and Evil 2 was ever going to come out.

 

[bman94]

Why is it ridiculous that Nintendo's funding is what's getting this game made similar to Bayonetta 2? It's not like Rise of the Tomb Raider where they were clearly going to make another game and Microsoft just bought exclusivity. It seemed unlikely Beyond Good and Evil 2 was ever going to come out.

What does Nintendo get out of funding a game that's going to be on other platforms? It makes since with Bayonetta 2 cause that's staying on a Nintendo platform. If this is coming out to the competitors platforms a year later then they're wasting money on an exclusive that's not really exclusive.

 

[Bluth54]

What does Nintendo get out of funding a game that's going to be on other platforms? It makes since with Bayonetta 2 cause that's staying on a Nintendo platform. If this is coming out to the competitors platforms a year later then they're wasting money on an exclusive that's not really exclusive.

To get hardcore gamers who care about Beyond Good and Evil and don't want to wait a year to buy a Switch?

 

[LordKano]

What does Nintendo get out of funding a game that's going to be on other platforms? It makes since with Bayonetta 2 cause that's staying on a Nintendo platform. If this is coming out to the competitors platforms a year later then they're wasting money on an exclusive that's not really exclusive.

Dunno, why did Microsoft made the same move ? Or Sony, multiple times.

There is a reason why big publishers are using a lot these timed exclusives.

 

[Yoshi]

What does Nintendo get out of funding a game that's going to be on other platforms? It makes since with Bayonetta 2 cause that's staying on a Nintendo platform. If this is coming out to the competitors platforms a year later then they're wasting money on an exclusive that's not really exclusive.

To have it exclusively at retail and for a full year completely exclusive? Of course we don't know the exact deal, maybe Ubisoft was just not willing to do a full exclusive deal and due to a stronger position compared to Platinum Games, got to an agreement where it can be published on other platforms way later, as long as it gets no retail presence on them. Considering this deal is even stricter than the Tomb Raider one and the predecessor wasn't all too successful, I think there is grounds to assume that the game actually required additional funding by an outside source.

 

[13ruce]

Honestly people should be happy fans of this game get another one, thats what matters.

Just get it a year later on PS/XBOX if you don't want to make a Switch... silly pun.

Sure it can be annoying but this happens since the ps2 days. Atleast it's coming to all other platforms later wich is better than a full exclusive.

Also it's still a rumor.

 

[Baki]

I feel like Xbox One has shown one year exclusives aren't good for the game or system.

Though physical eclusivity is weird.

It's only bad when it's a poorly selling system.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Well, the good news is this rumor can easily be verified or discredited by the time the Switch conference happens.

Not really, only part if it can be verified. BGE2 on switch and video on Switch event has been rumored long ago. Only the timed exclusive part is new and perhaps only made up to get some attention.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Is the Mushroom Kingdom Defense Force that is at work in this thread gonna be as animated in their defense when Jim Sterling inevitably makes a video tearing this whole arrangement apart?

Sterling makes video based in rumors? Perhaps if it brings him attention.

Right now the BG&E2 exclusivity makes sense, because the audience for this game should fit within the Nintendo audience. The video on Switch event and timed exclusivity are two more rumors about this game and only the timed exclusivity rumor is new. Every of this BG&E2 rumors could be false.

 

[Lime]

Timed exclusive on an unreleased platform with a smaller userbase and a much later digital-only release on established platforms mean that

1) the budget must be low for the project
2) BG&E fans won't see a sequel because odds are that the game won't perform well

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Timed exclusive on an unreleased platform with a smaller userbase and a much later digital-only release on established platforms mean that

1) the budget must be low for the project
2) BG&E fans won't see a sequel because odds are that the game won't perform well

Switch version is retail.

Edit - You edited. Zombi wasn't made on a super low budget and it released as a digital-only product on other platforms later. That had little to do with budget then and the same is probably true here.

 

[wrowa]

Timed exclusive on an unreleased platform with a smaller userbase and a much later digital-only release on established platforms mean that

1) the budget must be low for the project
2) BG&E fans won't see a sequel because odds are that the game won't perform well

Expecting a second sequel when we had to wait a decade for a first sequel strikes me as rather silly. We can be happy that BG&E2 appears to be finally a thing that exists - and let's be honest, Ubisoft would have had every reason in the world to just cancel the project once and for all eons ago. It's a sequel to a game that bombed so hard it was given away in cereal boxes, after all. It's baffling Ubisoft kinda kept working on the project to begin with.

How much of a budget this will have really depends on how much Nintendo is willing to pay as well, so I wouldn't really come to any conclusions just yet. No one should expect a proper AAA game for the aforementioned reasons, though.

 

[ArjanN]

Well, the good news is this rumor can easily be verified or discredited by the time the Switch conference happens.

Or at least the week after.

During conferences like these everyone likes to push things as more exclusive than they really are and then quietly walk that back in the days after.

As long as it comes to everything eventually the wait doesn't bother me much.

 

[Guymelef]

Switch version is retail.

Edit - You edited. Zombi wasn't made on a super low budget and it released as a digital-only product on other platforms later. That had little to do with budget then and the same is probably true here.

Zombi had a retail release on PS4/XBO.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Zombi had a retail release on PS4/XBO.

Did it? I had no idea.

Edit - I had no idea because it didn't receive a retail release in North America.

 

[AniHawk]

Expecting a second sequel when we had to wait a decade for a first sequel strikes me as rather silly. We can be happy that BG&E2 appears to be finally a thing that exists - and let's be honest, Ubisoft would have had every reason in the world to just cancel the project once and for all eons ago. It's a sequel to a game that bombed so hard it was given away in cereal boxes, after all. It's baffling Ubisoft kinda kept working on the project to begin with.

How much of a budget this will have really depends on how much Nintendo is willing to pay as well, so I wouldn't really come to any conclusions just yet. No one should expect a proper AAA game for the aforementioned reasons, though.

i'm of the (100% correct) opinion that publishers should be moving away from blockbuster titles and split up dev costs currently going to one game and fund four or five smaller games. go for variety at a lower budget and you might wind up with a couple mid-range successes, maybe a bomb, but also maybe something huge that catches on. i'm not saying that's beyond good & evil 2, since it's a sequel to a 14 year old game that bombed, but it's the sort of thing that probably doesn't need a mega huge budget to be good or even great.

 

[Dascu]

i'm of the (100% correct) opinion that publishers should be moving away from blockbuster titles and split up dev costs currently going to one game and fund four or five smaller games. go for variety at a lower budget and you might wind up with a couple mid-range successes, maybe a bomb, but also maybe something huge that catches on. i'm not saying that's beyond good & evil 2, since it's a sequel to a 14 year old game that bombed, but it's the sort of thing that probably doesn't need a mega huge budget to be good or even great.

Counter:
- More titles leads to more market saturation. Out of those five released titles, people will likely still only choose and buy one (unless they're all much cheaper and shorter).
- How to compete with other companies that don't take this approach and go all-out on AAA graphics and marketing?